Wiscy thoughts

[NersEllenson]

A game like today is a little bit like playing the US Open in golf. It is a test that will expose your weaknesses .  We fought hard yes , but we made a lot of bogeys and had very few birdies .

We have 4 games to get use to having Luke in the lineup. I am hoping that he is able to open things up for the likes of JJJ and Deonte.

Derrick should have been taken out of the game the last five minutes . It would have been worth seeing if someone else could get hot from 3 point range.

Ahh....like running with Cohen?  Hit the corner 3.  Pulled down big board on D end, got fouled - actually went to the line and MADE BOTH FTs??! 

Game was officially over when Wojo went back to starting lineup with 6 minutes left.  Had a nice surge/momentum going, and then the Stagnator himself was sent back out there to lead us to victory.   

[tower912]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/269/marquette-golden-eagles

Through 7 games, Derrick is 5th on the team in MPG and third in overall shooting %.

....but.....but.....

[mattyv1908]

Ahh....like running with Cohen?  Hit the corner 3.  Pulled down big board on D end, got fouled - actually went to the line and MADE BOTH FTs??!  

Game was officially over when Wojo went back to starting lineup with 6 minutes left.  Had a nice surge/momentum going, and then the Stagnator himself was sent back out there to lead us to victory.  

Ners did you watch the actual game?

Marquette cut the lead to four and then shortly before the 10 minute mark saw JJJ, Burton and Cohen hit the floor for at least a 3 minute stretch of game that began a 6+ minute drought without a FG being made.

Only you could rationalize how a player on the bench is the root cause of the scoring drought occuring on the court.

Edit:  Sorry, Burton hit a 3 pointer with 10:22 remaining to cut it to four.  Our next FG came at the 2:36 mark when Carlino hit that deep three.  I'm not sure of the 'surge' you're talking about at the six minute mark as the team went 0-7 from the field during that scoreless period and saw the deficit inflate from four to eleven in that same span.

[Texas Western]

Ahh....like running with Cohen?  Hit the corner 3.  Pulled down big board on D end, got fouled - actually went to the line and MADE BOTH FTs??! 

Game was officially over when Wojo went back to starting lineup with 6 minutes left.  Had a nice surge/momentum going, and then the Stagnator himself was sent back out there to lead us to victory.   

Agreed. The surge was wasted the minute the starters returned .

[brandx]

Agreed. The surge was wasted the minute the starters returned .

Except for the fact that Burton and JJ made the plays that led to the surge.

[NersEllenson]

Ners did you watch the actual game?

Marquette cut the lead to three and then shortly before the 10 minute mark saw JJJ, Burton and Cohen hit the floor for at least a 3 minute stretch of game that began a 6+ minute drought without a FG being made.

Only you could rationalize how a player on the bench is the root cause of the scoring drought occuring on the court.

I did watch the game - and I liked the swagger we got with Burton and Cohen on the floor.  Would have continued to roll with them given how much Juan and Derrick were struggling today. From all I can see on ESPN game timeline...looks like we were down 10 at the 12 minute mark...Cohen and Deonte enter the game around that time...we get it down to a 2 point deficit at the 8:57 mark. At 7:58 see a Burton turnover, and WI hit a 3 so they are up 5.  Never see Burton or Cohen show up in game timeline thereafter  See Derrick with a miss at 5:08.  Juan with misses at 7:39, 6:52 and 5:51 (assume he came back in for Deonte along with Derrick)

[brandx]

I did watch the game - and I liked the swagger we got with Burton and Cohen on the floor.  Would have continued to roll with them given how much Juan and Derrick were struggling today. From all I can see on ESPN game timeline...looks like we were down 10 at the 12 minute mark...Cohen and Deonte enter the game around that time...we get it down to a 2 point deficit at the 8:57 mark. At 7:58 see a Burton turnover, and WI hit a 3 so they are up 5.  Never see Burton or Cohen show up in game timeline thereafter  See Derrick with a miss at 5:08.  Juan with misses at 7:39, 6:52 and 5:51 (assume he came back in for Deonte along with Derrick)

Biggest play of the game. Must be Derrick's fault - somehow.

[Lennys Tap]

Ahh....like running with Cohen?  Hit the corner 3.  Pulled down big board on D end, got fouled - actually went to the line and MADE BOTH FTs??! 

Game was officially over when Wojo went back to starting lineup with 6 minutes left.  Had a nice surge/momentum going, and then the Stagnator himself was sent back out there to lead us to victory.   

When the coach who knew less than you about who should play left I thought this kind of stuff would eventually end. With Buzz, you wanted more Mayo, Dawson, JJJ and Burton and less Derrick and Juan. A year later we've got no Mayo, virtually no Dawson, a little more JJJ (though after today's horrible offensive and defensive performance that may change) and considerably less Burton. And the same amount of Derrick and much,much more Juan. If Buzz was an idiot, Wojo's a bigger one. If Buzz was throwing games, Wojo is an even bigger fixer working against his own team. Or you could be wrong. Hmmm...tough call.

[GGGG]

When the coach who knew less than you about who should play left I thought this kind of stuff would eventually end. With Buzz, you wanted more Mayo, Dawson, JJJ and Burton and less Derrick and Juan. A year later we've got no Mayo, virtually no Dawson, a little more JJJ (though after today's horrible offensive and defensive performance that may change) and considerably less Burton. And the same amount of Derrick and much,much more Juan. If Buzz was an idiot, Wojo's a bigger one. If Buzz was throwing games, Wojo is an even bigger fixer working against his own team. Or you could be wrong. Hmmm...tough call.

Wojo is sticking it to the administration.

[wadesworld]

When the coach who knew less than you about who should play left I thought this kind of stuff would eventually end. With Buzz, you wanted more Mayo, Dawson, JJJ and Burton and less Derrick and Juan. A year later we've got no Mayo, virtually no Dawson, a little more JJJ (though after today's horrible offensive and defensive performance that may change) and considerably less Burton. And the same amount of Derrick and much,much more Juan. If Buzz was an idiot, Wojo's a bigger one. If Buzz was throwing games, Wojo is an even bigger fixer working against his own team. Or you could be wrong. Hmmm...tough call.

Bingo.  Hard to take a guy seriously when the two options are 1) He's smarter than 2 different people (and their staffs) getting paid millions to determine who's better on the floor for the team, or 2) Those 2 different people are just intentionally throwing games/losing (always a smart move for head coaches in college athletics, no?).

I'm fairly confident in saying neither 1 nor 2 are true.  Apparently Ners thinks both are true.

[Wojo'sMojo]

I would like to commend Dawson for being a great teammate, despite being nailed to the bench all year. I watched him again today and he was the biggest cheerleader of any of the guys on the bench. It speaks very highly of him imo. I wish him much success in whatever school he decides to transfer to.

[brandx]

Bingo.  Hard to take a guy seriously when the two options are 1) He's smarter than 2 different people (and their staffs) getting paid millions to determine who's better on the floor for the team, or 2) Those 2 different people are just intentionally throwing games/losing (always a smart move for head coaches in college athletics, no?).

I'm fairly confident in saying neither 1 nor 2 are true.  Apparently Ners thinks both are true.

You forgot option 3 - that Ners is also a better talent scout than our coaches and staffs are/were.

[tower912]

Wojo is sticking it to the administration.

Actually, Wojo is in cahoots with Buzz.   After Wojo arrived, he called Wojo and had him come to Blacksburg for a visit.    He offered him and additional $1,000,000 if Wojo would continue to play Derrick in order to validate Buzz's decision.   Wojo took the money and is deliberately coaching against the best interests of the team, of the administration, of the entire MU nation, for a little extra money.    And Buzz is offering him an extra 1/2 mill to continue to keep talking up Derrick's leadership on and off the floor.   It's all Buzz and his need to be proven right.  

Of course that is sarcasm.   Again, it makes perfect sense if you look at the make up of the rosters.   

[mattyv1908]

You forgot option 3 - that Ners is also a better talent scout than our coaches and staffs are/were.

No, he'd never recruit anyone because he would beat them all in a game of 1-1 followed by h-o-r-s-e.

[MUDPT]

I thought the biggest play of the game was when we went to man for ONE possession and somehow got switched on the screen and Kaminsky had a wide open 3 that put them up 7, game over.  The one guy that can't get open in that situation somehow does.

Wisconsin will probably never win a NC under Bo.  He's way too rigid in his system.  Today, I would have told his players to put it up, whenever they were open.  Good chance of getting the rebound anyway.  Instead, took the air out of the ball, which played right into MU's game plan. Don't be surprised when other lower level Big10 teams do the exact same thing that MU did today. 

[brewcity77]

I did watch the game - and I liked the swagger we got with Burton and Cohen on the floor.  Would have continued to roll with them given how much Juan and Derrick were struggling today. From all I can see on ESPN game timeline...looks like we were down 10 at the 12 minute mark...Cohen and Deonte enter the game around that time...we get it down to a 2 point deficit at the 8:57 mark. At 7:58 see a Burton turnover, and WI hit a 3 so they are up 5.  Never see Burton or Cohen show up in game timeline thereafter  See Derrick with a miss at 5:08.  Juan with misses at 7:39, 6:52 and 5:51 (assume he came back in for Deonte along with Derrick)

I'm actually not sure I believe this. You talk about this big surge that didn't happen. You say that not having height wasn't a problem for us. You base your memories of the game on the ESPN timeline rather than actual knowledge of the game.

Maybe you should go back and watch it again, because it sure seems like you didn't really absorb it the first time.

[GGGG]

And I'm not really sure what "swagger" Deonte brought to the game.  Outside of hitting the three point shot, he was by and large a non-entity.  He had an assist, a turnover and a personal foul.

[brandx]

And I'm not really sure what "swagger" Deonte brought to the game.  Outside of hitting the three point shot, he was by and large a non-entity.  He had an assist, a turnover and a personal foul.

It's the hands-down at-his-side on defense that adds swagger to his game.

[brewcity77]

And I'm not really sure what "swagger" Deonte brought to the game.  Outside of hitting the three point shot, he was by and large a non-entity.  He had an assist, a turnover and a personal foul.

Deonte hit the open three, but otherwise I agree, a non-factor. A buddy of mine came to the game and this was the first Marquette game he's seen all year. One of the first things he asked was what was wrong with Deonte.

Also, glad Cohen hit the corner 3, but the two of them combining for 2 shot attempts in 21 minutes is not enough. Very little assertiveness from either of them.

[wadesworld]

It's the hands-down at-his-side on defense that adds swagger to his game.

In the words of the great Reggie Miller, "Hand down, man down!"

[GGGG]

In the words of the great Reggie Miller, "Hand down, man down!"

I think that is Mark Jackson's phrase.

[wadesworld]

I think that is Mark Jackson's phrase.

Really?  I kept hearing Reggie say it during last year's NBA Playoffs.  But those 2 worked together on TNT up until Jackson got the Warriors coaching job so maybe Reggie just picked it up from Mark.

[NersEllenson]

And I'm not really sure what "swagger" Deonte brought to the game.  Outside of hitting the three point shot, he was by and large a non-entity.  He had an assist, a turnover and a personal foul.

Lol. If that makes Deote a non-entity, what does that make Derrick in 3 times as many minutes?  Lol. There's some real clowns here.

[NersEllenson]

When the coach who knew less than you about who should play left I thought this kind of stuff would eventually end. With Buzz, you wanted more Mayo, Dawson, JJJ and Burton and less Derrick and Juan. A year later we've got no Mayo, virtually no Dawson, a little more JJJ (though after today's horrible offensive and defensive performance that may change) and considerably less Burton. And the same amount of Derrick and much,much more Juan. If Buzz was an idiot, Wojo's a bigger one. If Buzz was throwing games, Wojo is an even bigger fixer working against his own team. Or you could be wrong. Hmmm...tough call.

Lenny - Love you man. But if you want to call JJJ horrible today, what adjective do you assign to Derrick?  And you've got about 20 other games just like today's you can comment on as well and he's an upperclassment.

As for Juan - he's played better this year, but reverted back to Buzz's coaching today trying to foolishly attack the paint. Additionally at this stage in the season and lack of size - how could Wojo NOT be playing him this much more?  Wojo isn't getting nearly as good of production out of Deonte obviously. Was screaming at TV in first half to get Deonte the damn ball and let him go to work. Buzz at least did that. Have a feeling Deonte's still struggling with loss of Mom but also I'm sure they are coaching him hard to share the ball more, not be a black hole, and that is affecting his aggressiveness. Needs to find the proper balance.

[Loose Cannon]

Give it up dude. At least try to bring some sort of analysis to the table other than looking at the box score.

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