Wiscy thoughts

[madtownwarrior]

Awesome free throw and 3 pt percentages too....

Seeing most of his shots are drives to the hoop, a pretty crappy shooting percentage. 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/269/marquette-golden-eagles

Through 7 games, Derrick is 5th on the team in MPG and third in overall shooting %.

....but.....but.....

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I really like Cohen and Deonte has a TON of potential. But anybody suggesting these two add "swagger" is so off base it's practically laughable. Swagger? Cohen is likely still going through a case of the surreals being in big time games and Deonte has basically struggled  all season, which given the upheaval in his life is understandable. Again, love both guys. Both are players we can win with. But swagger? What?

[willie warrior]

Ass Blistering Time:
1. 38 points will not win a big time college game, ever.
2. Don't care what anybody says. Calrino is a ball hog. 38 points, 18 points, or 3 points. He plays out of control. We had a chance with 2 minutes left, and then he tries to drive from 20 feet out and TO's. That was the ball game. He is not a team player.
3. What the hell is the elite gamechanger playing 35 minutes a game for? 0-5 in 35 minutes. One point. And please, stop with the defense excuses. We are now a zone team, and he is out of position frequently in the zone. He adds no value when we are scoring 40 points a game. I guess he is in there for his FT ability.!!!

Man--what a mess. We can go nowhere but up after this fiasco. Whatever anybody says, 35 minutes out of a non scoring PG who cannot shoot FT's when we play zone the whole game is mindless.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Ass Blistering Time:
1. 38 points will not win a big time college game, ever.
2. Don't care what anybody says. Calrino is a ball hog. 38 points, 18 points, or 3 points. He plays out of control. We had a chance with 2 minutes left, and then he tries to drive from 20 feet out and TO's. That was the ball game. He is not a team player.
3. What the hell is the elite gamechanger playing 35 minutes a game for? 0-5 in 35 minutes. One point. And please, stop with the defense excuses. We are now a zone team, and he is out of position frequently in the zone. He adds no value when we are scoring 40 points a game. I guess he is in there for his FT ability.!!!

Man--what a mess. We can go nowhere but up after this fiasco. Whatever anybody says, 35 minutes out of a non scoring PG who cannot shoot FT's when we play zone the whole game is mindless.

This is some stunningly poor "analysis"

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Ass Blistering Time:
1. 38 points will not win a big time college game, ever.
2. Don't care what anybody says. Calrino is a ball hog. 38 points, 18 points, or 3 points. He plays out of control. We had a chance with 2 minutes left, and then he tries to drive from 20 feet out and TO's. That was the ball game. He is not a team player.
3. What the hell is the elite gamechanger playing 35 minutes a game for? 0-5 in 35 minutes. One point. And please, stop with the defense excuses. We are now a zone team, and he is out of position frequently in the zone. He adds no value when we are scoring 40 points a game. I guess he is in there for his FT ability.!!!

Man--what a mess. We can go nowhere but up after this fiasco. Whatever anybody says, 35 minutes out of a non scoring PG who cannot shoot FT's when we play zone the whole game is mindless.

This post is a "fiasco."

[willie warrior]

This post is a "fiasco."

No--your critique lacks substance, there for it is a fiasco.

[Galway Eagle]

Ass Blistering Time:
1. 38 points will not win a big time college game, ever.
2. Don't care what anybody says. Calrino is a ball hog. 38 points, 18 points, or 3 points. He plays out of control. We had a chance with 2 minutes left, and then he tries to drive from 20 feet out and TO's. That was the ball game. He is not a team player.
3. What the hell is the elite gamechanger playing 35 minutes a game for? 0-5 in 35 minutes. One point. And please, stop with the defense excuses. We are now a zone team, and he is out of position frequently in the zone. He adds no value when we are scoring 40 points a game. I guess he is in there for his FT ability.!!!

Man--what a mess. We can go nowhere but up after this fiasco. Whatever anybody says, 35 minutes out of a non scoring PG who cannot shoot FT's when we play zone the whole game is mindless.

But 37 will!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=323350046

[jakeec]

Was anyone surprised by the outcome?  Dekker's ankle was a major issue and the Badgers still showed who is the premiere program in the state.

[Galway Eagle]

Was anyone surprised by the outcome?  Dekker's ankle was a major issue and the Badgers still showed who is the premiere program in the state.

Are you really proud of beating a team that's clearly in a down year and doesn't have it's only tall player yet? You sound like the one 6ft 8th grader who's finished puberty and feels like he belongs in the NBA because he puts up good numbers over the 5'5" 8th graders. One of these programs is in the top 10 for NCAA appearances and post season appearances one of them isn't so enjoy your victory today. 

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Was anyone surprised by the outcome?  Dekker's ankle was a major issue and the Badgers still showed who is the premiere program in the state.

Dekker just isn't that good man.

[AirPunches]

Was anyone surprised by the outcome?  Dekker's ankle was a major issue and the Badgers still showed who is the premiere program in the state.

Nobody was surprised at the outcome from what I see. Badgers clearly are better and deeper this season. Marquette hasn't played the badgers at full strength 3 of the last 4 times either. Starting pg out one year( I forget the excuse for losing that one at the kohl..oh yeah wasn't the lame ass band in Indy?) mayo out last year, and Fischer (the only one over 6'7) still not eligible. I actually was surprised to see the badgers chuck 30 threes though. Thought Kaminsky and Hayes would have bigger games.

[GooooMarquette]

Was anyone surprised by the outcome?  Dekker's ankle was a major issue and the Badgers still showed who is the premiere program in the state.

Nobody was surprised by the outcome...but whining about injuries is for losers.  

Get back to us next season about the premiere program in the state.

[murara1994]

Was anyone surprised by the outcome?  Dekker's ankle was a major issue and the Badgers still showed who is the premiere program in the state.

Two years ago we beat you for 2d straight year, made elite 8, won big east, and you lost to Marshall Henderson in first round NCAA.

Shove it with your premier program BS.

[NersEllenson]

Dekker just isn't that good man.

Agree. If you can run around out there and defend, you can play on O end just fine.  Overrated.

Congrats though to the Badgers on their win. All MU fans knew it was going to be a long shot to win. What most of us didn't expect was how ugly Wisconsin would look in the process.  I think WI is very legit Final Four contender - but MU exposed some of their warts today. They did not handle our zone well...at all.

[GooooMarquette]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/269/marquette-golden-eagles

Through 7 games, Derrick is 5th on the team in MPG and third in overall shooting %.

....but.....but.....

That stat doesn't fit the haters' agenda....

They watch the box score and cherry pick stats to create the delusion that they understand the game better than Buzz and Wojo.

[GGGG]

Lol. If that makes Deote a non-entity, what does that make Derrick in 3 times as many minutes?  Lol. There's some real clowns here.

Grow up.  I was talking about Deonte.  I mean, you bring up crap like "swagger" as if that means something.  It doesn't.  Derrick at least knows where he is supposed to be on defense, and that is why he plays.  And again, that is now *two* coaches that disagree with your assessment of who the best options are at guard.

So who's the clown?

[NersEllenson]

That stat doesn't fit the haters' agenda....

They watch the box score and cherry pick stats to create the delusion that they understand the game better than Buzz and Wojo.

Lol. Cherry pick stats - as in omitting today's clunker?!  You did note it said through 7 games right?  What stay would you like to pick from today's game to highlight his 35 minutes of play production?

[NersEllenson]

Grow up.  I was talking about Deonte.  I mean, you bring up crap like "swagger" as if that means something.  It doesn't.  Derrick at least knows where he is supposed to be on defense, and that is why he plays.  And again, that is now *two* coaches that disagree with your assessment of who the best options are at guard.

So who's the clown?

I know you were talking about Deonte and his production today equaling non-entity. I'd just like to hear your descriptor for Derrick in his 350 percent more playing time than Deonte today?  Non factor?  Invisible? Terrific? Elite? Game changer?  Take your pic. I mean the experts Buzz and Wojo see him as being terrific, elite, game changing...I've never seen a guy produce so little to earn being called elite, game changing, terrific. It's coach speak. And total BS. At least Wojo was conference POY on defense. Derrick hasn't even sniffed all Big East D honors.

[GooooMarquette]

Lol. Cherry pick stats - as in omitting today's clunker?!  You did note it said through 7 games right?  What stay would you like to pick from today's game to highlight his 35 minutes of play production?

He posted the stats that are (still now) listed on ESPN.

I'm not going to pick any stats, but would rather hear some thoughts about team leadership and defense.  I suppose that's too much to expect from a box score fan.....

[GGGG]

I know you were talking about Deonte and his production today equaling non-entity. I'd just like to hear your descriptor for Derrick in his 350 percent more playing time than Deonte today?  Non factor?  Invisible? Terrific? Elite? Game changer?  Take your pic. I mean the experts Buzz and Wojo see him as being terrific, elite, game changing...I've never seen a guy produce so little to earn being called elite, game changing, terrific. It's coach speak. And total BS. At least Wojo was conference POY on defense. Derrick hasn't even sniffed all Big East D honors.

Derrick wasn't good.  Too bad, for the second year in a row, there aren't better options available.

[WarriorFan]

1.  MU fought it's ass off, but.....
2.  Wiscy is good. 
3.  The zone is solid, but...
4.  Bo knows how to beat a zone.
5.   MU attacked, but...
6.   Wiscy contested everything in close.
7.   Not going to criticize anyone because everyone fought.
8.   Sometimes, size, skill, and experience matter.
9.   Luke is eligible the next time MU plays.  Let's hope everybody gets through finals.   
10.  NJIT beat Michigan.   

What I liked about the game was the MU clearly had a game plan and stuck to the plan.  The plan was to drive to the basket because we always had at least 4 guys on the court who could blow by Wisconsin's slower defenders.  Then, at the rim we needed a combination of luck/finesse/skill/calls from refs that just didn't happen today.  Wojo thought the home environment would get his boys 3-4 more foul calls per half on those drives which would change the game.  Huge credit to Wiscy for not getting foul calls while contesting everything. 

This team not only fought well, it executed the game plan well throughout the 40 minutes. 

The zone worked great, and Wojo even changed assignments in the zone from last game to this game.  He had the off side "up" man fronting the big at the free throw line, and had the guys talking very well about covering that spot.  He knew exactly how the Badger offense would work against his zone and had the boys playing well against it. 

We lost to a better team.  Next year will be different.

Also, like another poster above - I can't see Wiscy going very deep in the tournament.  When they are against 6'6 and 6'7 athletic guys (rather than 6'1-6'5) they will get out paced and will lose the battle at the rim.

[brewcity77]

Was anyone surprised by the outcome?  Dekker's ankle was a major issue and the Badgers still showed who is the premiere program in the state.

I actually was a little. Kaminsky struck me as weak. Not at all assertive. He could have scored at will but constantly passed up open shots. Three point shooting down for Wisconsin too. Not having Brust really hurts. Neither Dekker nor Hayes are very good shooters.

The Badgers may be the better team, but they are overrated. Stars that seem afraid to shine, poor against a zone, and no one that really moves well without the ball. Good enough to win some games, but not even the best in the Big 10. Having seen OSU up close, I can say football isn't the only sport where they're better than Bucky.

[brandx]

I actually was a little. Kaminsky struck me as weak. Not at all assertive. He could have scored at will but constantly passed up open shots. Three point shooting down for Wisconsin too. Not having Brust really hurts. Neither Dekker nor Hayes are very good shooters.

The Badgers may be the better team, but they are overrated. Stars that seem afraid to shine, poor against a zone, and no one that really moves well without the ball. Good enough to win some games, but not even the best in the Big 10. Having seen OSU up close, I can say football isn't the only sport where they're better than Bucky.

Maybe.... or they may be like the Packers in their first three games. All the "sky is falling" people (I'm not not referring to you) listed all sorts of reasons why GB was toast.

It's a long season and as we saw last year when they had a stretch where they lost 5 out of 6, picking one stretch and saying the whole season will be that way doesn't mean anything. Just part of the ups and downs that almost all teams go through.

It was only 2 weeks ago that many on this board posted that MU wouldn't win five games all year.

[brewcity77]

So far I've watched UW-Madison against Georgetown, Duke, and Marquette. Small sample size, but in none of those were they particularly impressive. Defense as always is sound, but you can definitely push them around. Josh Smith and Jahlil Okafor both made Kaminsky look ineffectual in post defense. Dekker isn't bad but is hardly a star. And the rest look like role players. They can step up from time to time but there's no one like Brust who is a constant threat. If we had a big that could have provided a paint presence today, I really believe we would have won. They aren't bad, but they're more 15-20 than they are top-10.

[brandx]

So far I've watched UW-Madison against Georgetown, Duke, and Marquette. Small sample size, but in none of those were they particularly impressive. Defense as always is sound, but you can definitely push them around. Josh Smith and Jahlil Okafor both made Kaminsky look ineffectual in post defense. Dekker isn't bad but is hardly a star. And the rest look like role players. They can step up from time to time but there's no one like Brust who is a constant threat. If we had a big that could have provided a paint presence today, I really believe we would have won. They aren't bad, but they're more 15-20 than they are top-10.

Fair enough. I disagree a little, but not too much.