Seth Davis on Letters of Intent

[dwaderoy2004]

honestly, i don;t even think this is shady.  we have a player who knew his scholarship was contingent on James leaving.  James doesn;t leave.  on top of that, he gets arrested over the summer.  it's also important to keep in mind that the ncaa clearinghouse has nothing to do with his grades or his acceptance to a school.  it's merely making sure that classes he took at his prep school met their requirements for accepted classes.  being allowed to enroll at a school is still up to the school itself. 

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

My implication was that he was run off the team because Crean overbooked scholarships and we used the academic issues as an excuse.

You really seem slow on the uptake here.

The quote you brought to the table qualified that the academic excuse is used when a better player is found. In MU's case, it was the other way around. We lost the better player due to academics. Your statistics seem to back that up.

We understand that your personal dignity, integrity, and overall sense of self has been diminshed during Tom Crean's tenure at Marquette. We only ask that you not grasp at straws like a 14 year-old girl looking to make her boyfriend jealous.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Slow on the uptake? I'm slow on the uptake!?!? You're explaining to ME why I used the quote from the Seth Davis article? And I'M slow on the uptake?

One more time...I'll try to write slowly. I used the quote to point out that teams use academic issues as a convenient excuse when they overbook scholarships.  Some do this when another, better player comes along. Some, like Marquette, do it when a player unexpectedly returns to school. Unfortunately, Seth Davis wasn't kind enough to spell out EXACTLY what Marquette did, but he came close enough.

If you don't understand something, fine. But don't try to tell ME what I meant.

Jesus...Coobeys Oil Depot tell ME that I'M slow on the uptake. That's rich.

Anybody on this board who thinks the situation with Saunders was honestly academic-related needs to have their head examined...or removed from their rectum.

That is the last comment I will make on this subject.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Hard to believe he'll maintain this pace, but through two games Saunders is averaging 15.5 points and 6.5 rebounds a game.

Ouch.

When is his court appearance for illegal substance...just curious

[NCMUFan]

To me for the Crean haters is that Crean had more players than scholarships.  Hence, no matter what the reason that one of the players didn't make the team, there is a conspiracy that it was so he could get down to the number of scholarships.  Academics, drugs it would of been something.  Hence if argued it was a legitimate reason to a Crean hater holds no water. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Slow on the uptake? I'm slow on the uptake!?!? You're explaining to ME why I used the quote from the Seth Davis article? And I'M slow on the uptake?

One more time...I'll try to write slowly. I used the quote to point out that teams use academic issues as a convenient excuse when they overbook scholarships.  Some do this when another, better player comes along. Some, like Marquette, do it when a player unexpectedly returns to school. Unfortunately, Seth Davis wasn't kind enough to spell out EXACTLY what Marquette did, but he came close enough.

If you don't understand something, fine. But don't try to tell ME what I meant.

Jesus...Coobeys Oil Depot tell ME that I'M slow on the uptake. That's rich.

Anybody on this board who thinks the situation with Saunders was honestly academic-related needs to have their head examined...or removed from their rectum.

That is the last comment I will make on this subject.

WOW. Your logic is so flawed here that it isn't even funny. Seriously, this isn't funny anymore.

1+1 = Crean is a jackass, right?

Here is the quote you posted:

"That opens the possibility that if a coach is able to sign a better player, the school can cut the first player loose and say it was for academic reasons. (Don't think that doesn't happen.)"

Seth Davis is implying that teams could cut a player loose to get a better player on the roster and blame it on academics.

Now, James is certainly better then Saunders, no doubt.

But, why would MU cut Saunders loose instead of Hazel if Saunders is more talented than Hazel? (the stats that YOU provided support this).

If MU was going to be shady like you are implying, why not get rid of the least talented player? And don't tell me because Hazel has more upside, because even with Mbawke MU still needed immediate help in the post, so they would have kept Saunders.

Most likely (occam's razor as somebody pointed out earlier), it's because Saunders really did have academic issues and the arrest earlier this summer.

Why is this so hard for you to believe?

We get it, you don't like Crean. But, at this point its SEVERELY clouding your judgment and logic skills. 

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Slow on the uptake? I'm slow on the uptake!?!? You're explaining to ME why I used the quote from the Seth Davis article? And I'M slow on the uptake?

One more time...I'll try to write slowly. I used the quote to point out that teams use academic issues as a convenient excuse when they overbook scholarships.  Some do this when another, better player comes along. Some, like Marquette, do it when a player unexpectedly returns to school. Unfortunately, Seth Davis wasn't kind enough to spell out EXACTLY what Marquette did, but he came close enough.

If you don't understand something, fine. But don't try to tell ME what I meant.

Jesus...Coobeys Oil Depot tell ME that I'M slow on the uptake. That's rich.

Anybody on this board who thinks the situation with Saunders was honestly academic-related needs to have their head examined...or removed from their rectum.

That is the last comment I will make on this subject.

Tough crap. You're still slow on the uptake. You posted the quote intending to go one way. When that was blocked by showing it to be illogical you've been twisting it around to fit your original intention.

I know what Seth Davis meant. He wrote it. If a better player comes along, cut the existing player and call it academic. MU had the ideal situation (according to Davis) in cutting Trend and keeping Saunders. That didn't happen. If you want to twist it more, MU could've cut Hazel (a hard worker who may mirror Burke's development) and kept Saunders (by all accounts an offensively gifted player). Do you not realize that the one area MU needs the most is an offensively gifted and athletic 6'7'' player who can play inside? Hello!!! Damian Saunders, you're table is ready. Why would they cut that? And here you are, Mr. Marquette has sold its soul to the devil, slamming Crean for not finding a way to keep Saunders in the program. That's rich, cupcake.

I understand you've made your last comment and for your reputation that's a good thing. Advice for next time: when you bring a quoted excerpt to the table don't reinterpret its meaning to fit your agenda. Let it speak for itself. Read this, absorb it, don't comment on it, and be a more polished negative nancy in the future. With this, and the assistant coach proclamation, you're slipping.

[tower912]

"This is my last comment on the subject".    Wow.   Wishes really do come true.

[Harrison]

I typically defend PRN.  I think he is correct on many of the things he says.  As is to be expected many people of a schools sport forum where rose colored glasses and see everything in apositve to their school slant.  However, in this case i will choose to completely disagree with PRN. 

Using simply logic 001 from freshman year ( Lalamiere?).  The SI guys stated that often a coach/school will over book to get a better player and then deny admission to the kid that got over recruited. 

that does not sound "familiar" in the case with MU.

First of all because Tom crean had every reason to Beleive that he would need to fill 4 scholarships based on the act that DJ had chosen to enter his name in the draft.  It is his job to put the most compettitve team on the court that he is capapble of.  If his capabilty to do that is not so good he gets fired.  Also, to assume that Crean did not have a discussion with Hazel or Suanders about the potential of James coming back and it's implications is simply nuts.  Does anyone see Suanders bad mouthing Crean or his high school coach or anyone? No! seems to me that Suanders new the deal and new his fate was based on DJ. simple ass that. 

Secondly,  Mu did not overbook and then deny admission to the pporer player to get the better player.  Mu did not do that so no that does not sound familiar.  Wheteher it be Prep performance, Guru rankings, early season performance or any other qualification you want to use.  MU denied admission to the significantly better player.   hazel verballed befor e Suanders my gues si Saunders offer was always conditonal on DJ not coming back and Saunders knew that...much ado about nothing.

I could see some questions or concern had Mu taken Saunders over HAzel, given he verballed after Hazel and with his off the court issues, then the article would sound familar. 

[77fan88warrior]

Is it me or does PRN walk away most of the skirmishes he starts? I'm amazed how many people regularly satisfy him by engaging in "discussion" with him and then he walks away after being cornered by reason. Don't ever forget that his reasoning is based upon his hatred of Crean. I imagine he is one of the guys still defending Mike Deane a few years back.

[mufan924]

i am glad i don't get involved in these petty arguments, they seem quite stressful.

go MU !

[Canadian Dimes]

that Harrison guy seem pretty sharp!

[mu_hilltopper]

Yeah, that Harrison, whose ban note says "This user is a repetitive nuisance to this society. Banned."

What a turkey.  Now, the next persona that replaced him was so much better.   Until he was banned.  Followed by a new and improved persona! 

Happy, happy, joy, joy.