Butler coach takes medical leave

[wadesworld]

OK, drop them back to the A-10 (or as it should be known, the Big East's triple A league) and bring up Dayton. 

That's what I'm talking about!

[GoldenWarrior11]

Butler was the runner up twice to the NCAA Championship.  4 Sweet 16's in the past 10 years.  12 NCAA Tournament appearances.  In comparison, Seton Hall was runner up once, 4 Sweet 16s total (none since 2000) and just 9 NCAA Tournament appearances.  DePaul has never been an NCAA runner up, hasn't made a Sweet 16 in nearly 30 years, and hasn't made a tournament in 10 years.  Butler is hardly a problem for the Big East.

Butler has an excellent basketball program in a basketball-driven location (and a major media market).  They have a terrific list of previous head coaches (Stevens, Matta, Collier).  Do they get invited if Brad Stevens leaves before being accepted?  Tough call, but I would lean towards yes.  Unfortunately, it appears they handed the keys to the brand new Mercedes to a guy that didn't have a driver's license.  

Butler will get back to being competitive after this issue with the coach is resolved (i.e. moving on).  Regardless of its previous conference affiliation, they have always been a winning program.  

[River rat]

That's not a very good sign for you guys then.  Don't disagree with the sentiment though.

Thanks for caring,  Irish fans are always giddy when they start off 3-0,  then comes nevember when they almost perrenially sit at .500 and the academic standards argument bubles up as they cry and tell eveyone the knute rockne and gipper stories and pop in a vhs of "Rudy".  get lost Lamer

[River rat]

Butler was the runner up twice to the NCAA Championship.  4 Sweet 16's in the past 10 years.  12 NCAA Tournament appearances.  In comparison, Seton Hall was runner up once, 4 Sweet 16s total (none since 2000) and just 9 NCAA Tournament appearances.  DePaul has never been an NCAA runner up, hasn't made a Sweet 16 in nearly 30 years, and hasn't made a tournament in 10 years.  Butler is hardly a problem for the Big East.

Butler has an excellent basketball program in a basketball-driven location (and a major media market).  They have a terrific list of previous head coaches (Stevens, Matta, Collier).  Do they get invited if Brad Stevens leaves before being accepted?  Tough call, but I would lean towards yes.  Unfortunately, it appears they handed the keys to the brand new Mercedes to a guy that didn't have a driver's license.  

Butler will get back to being competitive after this issue with the coach is resolved (i.e. moving on).  Regardless of its previous conference affiliation, they have always been a winning program.  

I agree they have been good for the last 10-15 years , no one can argue differently.  But let us not forget that historically they have not been any good, historically have been in a low major conference, and historically have been the 4-th to 7th best program in their own state.  Sorry but Butler does not drive eyeballs in Indy.
 I hope I am wrong but being around it i can tell you they have been an after thought at best in hoops in Indiana for ever, to recruits and everyone else, they caught lightning in a bottle which while considered cute by Hoosiers in no way changed anyones perception of the little D3 type school in Indy.  well the once in a lifetime players left and they are right back to where they were before, with no coache and a much higher mountain to climb to even be a .500 conference team.  
I am also concerned that like MU 30 years ago theyfeel they can do what they have always donebecuase they were successful that way, which means they are incredibly low budget versus other high major team and run a nice folksy program.  It wont work until I see Butler commit tens of millions towards becoming a true powerhouse my mind will not change. And slapping some paint on hinkle does not qualify.   

[wadesworld]

Butler was the runner up twice to the NCAA Championship.  4 Sweet 16's in the past 10 years.  12 NCAA Tournament appearances.  In comparison, Seton Hall was runner up once, 4 Sweet 16s total (none since 2000) and just 9 NCAA Tournament appearances.  DePaul has never been an NCAA runner up, hasn't made a Sweet 16 in nearly 30 years, and hasn't made a tournament in 10 years.  Butler is hardly a problem for the Big East.

Butler has an excellent basketball program in a basketball-driven location (and a major media market).  They have a terrific list of previous head coaches (Stevens, Matta, Collier).  Do they get invited if Brad Stevens leaves before being accepted?  Tough call, but I would lean towards yes.  Unfortunately, it appears they handed the keys to the brand new Mercedes to a guy that didn't have a driver's license.  

Butler will get back to being competitive after this issue with the coach is resolved (i.e. moving on).  Regardless of its previous conference affiliation, they have always been a winning program.  

+1.

[Galway Eagle]

Someone's gotta run the basement in order for the best to rise.  I know butlers been outstanding this era so far. Better than the three closest things to blue bloods we have.  But I see them being like Arkansas in the 90s.  A crazy good program for a bit that just doesn't make a real lasting tradition out of it.  Unfortunately Stevens leaving probably had a lot to do with that. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I agree they have been good for the last 10-15 years , no one can argue differently.  But let us not forget that historically they have not been any good, historically have been in a low major conference, and historically have been the 4-th to 7th best program in their own state.  Sorry but Butler does not drive eyeballs in Indy.
 I hope I am wrong but being around it i can tell you they have been an after thought at best in hoops in Indiana for ever, to recruits and everyone else, they caught lightning in a bottle which while considered cute by Hoosiers in no way changed anyones perception of the little D3 type school in Indy.  well the once in a lifetime players left and they are right back to where they were before, with no coache and a much higher mountain to climb to even be a .500 conference team.  
I am also concerned that like MU 30 years ago theyfeel they can do what they have always donebecuase they were successful that way, which means they are incredibly low budget versus other high major team and run a nice folksy program.  It wont work until I see Butler commit tens of millions towards becoming a true powerhouse my mind will not change. And slapping some paint on hinkle does not qualify.   

Except Butler is still bringing in high major worthy recruits and as Golden Warrior pointed out,  has had more success than either Seton Hall or Depaul. Are we kicking them out too? Who do we replace them with? Every major conference has teams that are lagging behind the others. B1G has Rutgers/Penn State/Northwestern, Big 12 has Texas Tech/TCU, SEC has half of its conference, PAC 12 has Oregon State/Washington State, American has its entire conference minus UCONN, Memphis, Temple, and Cincy, ACC has VPI.

[Irishdawg]

Thanks for caring,  Irish fans are always giddy when they start off 3-0,  then comes nevember when they almost perrenially sit at .500 and the academic standards argument bubles up as they cry and tell eveyone the knute rockne and gipper stories and pop in a vhs of "Rudy".  get lost Lamer

Yep, Butler fan with an Irish last name, but thanks for the warm welcome.

I actually agree that Butler's attitude does scream small-time compared to Marquette, Nova, Georgetown and what some of the other schools in the Big East have.  They've also split the last 4 meetings with Marquette which is why I said it's not a very good sign for you guys when Butler screams mid-major and you split with them.  We'll see how this year plays out for both squads.  FWIW, I actually do root for Marquette (and all Big East schools) during the non-conference and NCAAs.

[wadesworld]

Yep, Butler fan with an Irish last name, but thanks for the warm welcome.

I actually agree that Butler's attitude does scream small-time compared to Marquette, Nova, Georgetown and what some of the other schools in the Big East have.  They've also split the last 4 meetings with Marquette which is why I said it's not a very good sign for you guys when Butler screams mid-major and you split with them.  We'll see how this year plays out for both squads.  FWIW, I actually do root for Marquette (and all Big East schools) during the non-conference and NCAAs.

...yet we got the only one that mattered.  The last image of Brad Stevens in the NCAA.  Until he takes over Dook.

[GoldenWarrior11]

...yet we got the only one that mattered.  The last image of Brad Stevens in the NCAA.  Until he takes over Dook.

That Butler-Marquette game was the ONLY time I have ever seen emotion from Brad Stevens.  He is always so calm, collected and stoic.  If I recall, there was a close charging call in the 2nd half of that game (against Butler), and he was on his knees in a sight of extreme disappointment and disbelief.  That game riled me up too.  Such a great game.

[Wally Schroeder]

Yep, Butler fan with an Irish last name, but thanks for the warm welcome.

I actually agree that Butler's attitude does scream small-time compared to Marquette, Nova, Georgetown and what some of the other schools in the Big East have.  They've also split the last 4 meetings with Marquette which is why I said it's not a very good sign for you guys when Butler screams mid-major and you split with them.  We'll see how this year plays out for both squads.  FWIW, I actually do root for Marquette (and all Big East schools) during the non-conference and NCAAs.

I always tell people a 4-game sample size against one opponent is the best way to measure your program's trajectory.

[Galway Eagle]

I always tell people a 4-game sample size against one opponent is the best way to measure your program's trajectory.

That's what I've always heard. It's why were better than Kentucky

[wadesworld]

That Butler-Marquette game was the ONLY time I have ever seen emotion from Brad Stevens.  He is always so calm, collected and stoic.  If I recall, there was a close charging call in the 2nd half of that game (against Butler), and he was on his knees in a sight of extreme disappointment and disbelief.  That game riled me up too.  Such a great game.

Accurate.  Was there.  Amazing game.  Let's face it, Butler was going to go to the National Title game.  There is no stopping Brad Stevens until then in the NCAA Tournament.  But we did.

By the way, he was very complimentary of Derrick Wilson after that game in his post game press conference.  I believe he mentioned the defense hounding their ball handlers all the way up the court and then specifically mentioned Derrick.  And Buzz said after that game that Derrick was the reason we were moving onto the S16.  But Buzz is a Derrick lover and so is Brad Stevens.

[Galway Eagle]

Accurate.  Was there.  Amazing game.  Let's face it, Butler was going to go to the National Title game.  There is no stopping Brad Stevens until then in the NCAA Tournament.  But we did.

By the way, he was very complimentary of Derrick Wilson after that game in his post game press conference.  I believe he mentioned the defense hounding their ball handlers all the way up the court and then specifically mentioned Derrick.  And Buzz said after that game that Derrick was the reason we were moving onto the S16.  But Buzz is a Derrick lover and so is Brad Stevens.

Derrick wilson drafted by the celtics after this year book it!

[ChicosBailBonds]

I said before and i will say it now, allowing butler into the BE was a collossal mistake

Cloudpierecer, who would you have wanted instead? 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Thanks for caring,  Irish fans are always giddy when they start off 3-0,  then comes nevember when they almost perrenially sit at .500 and the academic standards argument bubles up as they cry and tell eveyone the knute rockne and gipper stories and pop in a vhs of "Rudy".  get lost Lamer

I read this post and note the academic standards reference........painful.

[Dawson Rental]

Cloudpierecer, who would you have wanted instead? 

Are you outing River rat using his Al-given nickname?

[Texas Western]

Butler was the runner up twice to the NCAA Championship.  4 Sweet 16's in the past 10 years.  12 NCAA Tournament appearances.  In comparison, Seton Hall was runner up once, 4 Sweet 16s total (none since 2000) and just 9 NCAA Tournament appearances.  DePaul has never been an NCAA runner up, hasn't made a Sweet 16 in nearly 30 years, and hasn't made a tournament in 10 years.  Butler is hardly a problem for the Big East.

Butler has an excellent basketball program in a basketball-driven location (and a major media market).  They have a terrific list of previous head coaches (Stevens, Matta, Collier).  Do they get invited if Brad Stevens leaves before being accepted?  Tough call, but I would lean towards yes.  Unfortunately, it appears they handed the keys to the brand new Mercedes to a guy that didn't have a driver's license.  

Butler will get back to being competitive after this issue with the coach is resolved (i.e. moving on).  Regardless of its previous conference affiliation, they have always been a winning program.  

They need to hire Lavall Jordon immediately

[4everwarriors]

Are you outing River rat using his Al-given nickname?

Nah Murray, no know Dudley doesn't acknowledge us hommies, aina?

[River rat]

Yep, Butler fan with an Irish last name, but thanks for the warm welcome.

I actually agree that Butler's attitude does scream small-time compared to Marquette, Nova, Georgetown and what some of the other schools in the Big East have.  They've also split the last 4 meetings with Marquette which is why I said it's not a very good sign for you guys when Butler screams mid-major and you split with them.  We'll see how this year plays out for both squads.  FWIW, I actually do root for Marquette (and all Big East schools) during the non-conference and NCAAs.

You realize u beat MU at home in over time after a collossal collapse in MU's worst season in over a decade , correct?  Im happy for u that u split with us last year, if you continue to than MU fans , like Butler fans, will be wondering who our next coach is too

[keefe]

Nah Murray, no know Dudley doesn't acknowledge us hommies, aina?

Doc - what was Dudley's bitch with MU? Guy avoids us like the plague.

[4everwarriors]

Was told he resented the publicity and playing time Al gave the brothers as opposed to a traditional like him. He transferred from Mich. St. and probably was countin' on a startin' role with the Warriors.
Thing is, IMO, we don't beat Kansas State and survive to play another day vs. Wake without JD in 1977.

[Nukem2]

Was told he resented the publicity and playing time Al gave the brothers as opposed to a traditional like him. He transferred from Mich. St. and probably was countin' on a startin' role with the Warriors.
Thing is, IMO, we don't beat Kansas State and survive to play another day vs. Wake without JD in 1977.

That was a huge play.  Dudley was inconsistent in any event.

[Texas Western]

Was told he resented the publicity and playing time Al gave the brothers as opposed to a traditional like him. He transferred from Mich. St. and probably was countin' on a startin' role with the Warriors.
Thing is, IMO, we don't beat Kansas State and survive to play another day vs. Wake without JD in 1977.

He came from a bad situation at MSU. Was an exciting player when he played . Also was a two sport college athlete.

[Jay Bee]

Except Butler is still bringing in high major worthy recruits

How u say... "false" ????

Butler made a questionable hire and is paying for it, but it's bigger than this particular hire. Good luck to them. Ooofta.