A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?

[kmwtrucks]

The big Difference is Ilitch had all the power in the deal.  In MKE you have Owners that cannot move the team to other locations or they lose the team that they purchased at a discount.  They also have KOHLS 100 mil that probably goes back to him if the place is not built, and MU has already said we would Kick in money that I assume we would get back over time.  If the city needs to come up with only 100-150 mil to get it done and passes on it and loses out on all the revenue involed with the team that would seem short sighted. 

[Benny B]

The big Difference is Ilitch had all the power in the deal.  In MKE you have Owners that cannot move the team to other locations or they lose the team that they purchased at a discount.  They also have KOHLS 100 mil that probably goes back to him if the place is not built, and MU has already said we would Kick in money that I assume we would get back over time.  If the city needs to come up with only 100-150 mil to get it done and passes on it and loses out on all the revenue involed with the team that would seem short sighted. 

I've been hearing rumblings of this... at first I didn't believe it, but it is seeming more plausible by the day that Kohl put something of a poison pill in the sale contract should the new owners (or NBA) attempt to move the team out of Milwaukee.  Of course, if there were such language, it wouldn't be made public because then the team would lose 99% of what leverage, if any, they have with the city to get an arena built. 

When you think about it, Herb has no family, his old retail chain is nothing of the company he led back in the 70s, and he was never a hay maker in the Senate... his legacy is the Bucks, period.  If they move away, so goes his legacy, no?  After everything he's accomplished, I don't think that all he wants to remain of his memory ten years from now is a hole named after him in Madison.

[Coleman]

his old retail chain is nothing of the company he led back in the 70s

Kohl's (The store) is bigger than it ever has been.

He has plenty of legacy. Anyone who served in the US Senate, has an arena named after him, and the 2nd biggest department store chain in the country has plenty of legacy.

But, of course he doesn't want the Bucks to leave MKE. it is certainly PART of his legacy.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Kohl's (The store) is bigger than it ever has been.

He has plenty of legacy. Anyone who served in the US Senate, has an arena named after him, and the 2nd biggest department store chain in the country has plenty of legacy.

But, of course he doesn't want the Bucks to leave MKE. it is certainly PART of his legacy.

but Kohl's was sold by the Kohl family in 1979 (actually sold the majority in 1972)

I'd wager that outside of WI not many people know he has an arena named after him or that he even existed in the Senate

[MU111]

Jane Pettit's son calls for demolition of Bradley Center for new arena
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/jane-pettits-son-calls-for-demolition-of-bradley-center-for-new-arena-b99358424z1-276952511.html

Uihlein suggested that all existing sports venues downtown be demolished. In addition, he suggested that developers "recognize the ceremonial power of Kilbourn Ave., and build on the original home of the Bucks." That would be the UW-Milwaukee Panther Arena, originally known as the Milwaukee Arena and opened in 1953.

Uihlein said all construction costs — no one has forwarded an estimate — should come from the private sector, while operating costs should be supported by the current tax structure under the control of the Wisconsin Center District.

Uihlein said the taxes collected by the Wisconsin Center District — a food and beverage tax, two hotel taxes and a car rental tax — provided enough money to run the convention center, the UWM arena and Milwaukee Theatre.

"The Wisconsin Center District must relinquish the benefit of this tax to the new entity," Uihlein said.

[GOO]

Jane Pettit's son calls for demolition of Bradley Center for new arena
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/jane-pettits-son-calls-for-demolition-of-bradley-center-for-new-arena-b99358424z1-276952511.html

Someone is coming out with a plan that actually makes a lot of sense.  Hopefully it gains some traction. 

[Sir Lawrence]

Wow.  That's a big F U to the Wisconsin Center District.  About time. 

[bork]

Yeah, I like the plan too.  WI Center District has been pissing away taxpayer money for years.

They need to look at the whole picture and not just the new arena.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Someone is coming out with a plan that actually makes a lot of sense.  Hopefully it gains some traction. 

He proposes tearing down the MKE Theater, UWM Arena and the BC. I assume the BC would be last after a new arena was built along Kilbourn Ave., plenty of room for that right?

[Benny B]

Kohl's (The store) is bigger than it ever has been.

Anyone who has... the 2nd biggest department store chain in the country has plenty of legacy.

That's like saying Ronald Wayne's legacy is the iPhone.



(Go ahead, Google "Ronald Wayne".... I'll wait.)

[jficke13]

Kohl's (The store) is bigger than it ever has been.

He has plenty of legacy. Anyone who served in the US Senate, has an arena named after him, and the 2nd biggest department store chain in the country has plenty of legacy.

But, of course he doesn't want the Bucks to leave MKE. it is certainly PART of his legacy.

Wasn't Herb much more involved in the Kohl's grocery stores that no longer exist?

[Sir Lawrence]

Wasn't Herb much more involved in the Kohl's grocery stores that no longer exist?

Herb's father started both the grocery chain and the department stores.  Some tobacco conglomerate bought into the company in the 70's, but I think the two sons still had shares.  The grocery stores were sold to A&P in the 1980's.
The department stores were sold not long thereafter.

[Ardmore Mug]

Actually, Herb ran the grocery end.. Sydney ran the Real Estate... Allen started and ran the Dept stores..  Max had bought up both sides of Brown Deer rd, from n 76th st to like 108th st.. incl the land where Northridge, Northridger Plaza ( south side of Brown Deer rd) and Northridge Lakes apts are...i think it was back in the 50's, ... Kohls also owned the land where Southridge stands..So Max rely set the Family up quite well..

[Texas Western]

Jane Pettit's son calls for demolition of Bradley Center for new arena
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/jane-pettits-son-calls-for-demolition-of-bradley-center-for-new-arena-b99358424z1-276952511.html

A very sensible approach. Can be done in stages. The operating dollars from the existing tax structure can make it work.

[Litehouse]

A very sensible approach. Can be done in stages. The operating dollars from the existing tax structure can make it work.

Agreed.  Gimbel and the WI Center District need to get out of the way for the good of the city.

[Coleman]

That's like saying Ronald Wayne's legacy is the iPhone.



(Go ahead, Google "Ronald Wayne".... I'll wait.)

Maybe if it was called the "Ronald Wayne Phone."

His name is on the stores dude.

And I know who he is. I read the Steve Jobs book.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

A privately funded arena with a well thought out, long-term vision, would be a big win for Milwaukee.

[4everwarriors]

Agreed.  Gimbel and the WI Center District need to get out of the way for the good of the city.

Good luck with that, hey?

[warriorchick]

Well, here's a shocker.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/gimbel-calls-new-arena-proposal-unworkable-b99359051z1-277076421.html

[bork]

Well, here's a shocker.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/gimbel-calls-new-arena-proposal-unworkable-b99359051z1-277076421.html

Yeah, any convention center/arena plan that involves Franky is "unworkable."

[Ari Gold]

Well, here's a shocker.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/gimbel-calls-new-arena-proposal-unworkable-b99359051z1-277076421.html

that corpulent fuckwit can fornicate himself with an iron stick.

[GGGG]

When you think about it, Herb has no family, his old retail chain is nothing of the company he led back in the 70s, and he was never a hay maker in the Senate... his legacy is the Bucks, period.  If they move away, so goes his legacy, no?  After everything he's accomplished, I don't think that all he wants to remain of his memory ten years from now is a hole named after him in Madison.

This is Herb Kohl's legacy, and if I were a betting man, will get the bulk of his estate when he passes away.

http://www.kohleducation.org/

[mu_hilltopper]

We went to the Milwaukee Theater last week during Open Doors Milwaukee (which is awesome..)

I've been there for events, but wow, that is a fantastic building, great venue.  Largest theater in Wisconsin. 

Seems like tearing that down would be a travesty.

[Coleman]

I do have a question for this new proposal...

If they are tearing down both the BC and the MECCA/Cell/Panther Arena to make way for the new arena, where do the Bucks and MU play during construction?

[Skatastrophy]

We went to the Milwaukee Theater last week during Open Doors Milwaukee (which is awesome..)

I've been there for events, but wow, that is a fantastic building, great venue.  Largest theater in Wisconsin. 

Seems like tearing that down would be a travesty.

Marquette basketball is more important.