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How long will Derrick be given to prove he can shoot before being benched?

3 games
13 (18.3%)
5 games
17 (23.9%)
The Entire Non Conference Season
15 (21.1%)
Half The Season
5 (7%)
The Whole Season
21 (29.6%)

Total Members Voted: 71

Dawson Rental

#25
Quote from: Texas Western on September 09, 2014, 12:05:57 PM
It assumes that Wojo wont give away another year to a poor shooting point guard.  Option 5 essentially implies he will make the numbers.

I guess I read it the opposite way, i.e. Wojo will play Derrick all season long to see if Derrick will finally be able to put up the numbers at the very end. (before being benched)
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

willie warrior

Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 08, 2014, 10:24:11 PM
I guarantee he won't reach those stats. My guess is after a couple games wojo sees that Matt Duane Jon are all better shooters and his minutes drop to a defensive role player.
What about the 25,000 shots he took this summer?
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esotericmindguy

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 09, 2014, 11:59:40 AM
This part I'm not sure about. I'm no expert, but his shot form seems to be pretty close to perfect. I don't think he'll ever be a lights out shooter, or even an average one, but I think he could potentially get to Junior Cadougan type levels.

I've been told I have a nice golf swing, but the balls sprays. One summer of playing isn't going to get me to near expert levels (33% & 70%).

Texas Western

Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 09, 2014, 12:18:47 PM
So your poll should have asked: How many games will Wojo give away by playing Derrick

       1. None, he'll never see the court
       2. A few, he a rookie coach and doesn't know what we know
       3. Several, I hear he's a hard headed Polak
       4. The whole damn season
Well put.

NersEllenson

Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on September 09, 2014, 10:52:11 AM
I'm a Derrick fan.

I think he can be effective for 20mpg.

I think he'll probably start early in the year, and depending upon how it goes, we'll see what happens.

A PG HAS to be a playmaker to be effective.  Have to make everyone around you better.  We got 937 minutes last season to see that the exact opposite effect happened.  YOu have to do more than play solid D and not turn the ball over.  Yet, how is someone going to turn the ball over when they aren't pressured, and their defender sags off 5 feet?

Derrick is a 10-15 minute a game guy at best at this level - unless he shows within the first 10 games that his shooting has improved tremendously - a la Vander Blue.  I was shocked at Vander's improvement as a junior as far as his shooting was concerned.  Rarely will you see a player make that kind of leap.

In Derrick's case, my feeling is that he's never been a very good shooter, and his biggest detriment is his build.  He's simply TOO built - that takes away fluidity needed to be good shooter.  There's a reason you rarely see basketball players built like Derrick.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

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MU82

Quote from: Ners on September 09, 2014, 03:22:40 PM
In Derrick's case, my feeling is that he's never been a very good shooter, and his biggest detriment is his build.  He's simply TOO built - that takes away fluidity needed to be good shooter.  There's a reason you rarely see basketball players built like Derrick.

Hmmm. Have you seen any photos of LeBron since, well, since he was 15?

Mailman Malone became an outstanding shooter even though he had a physique like a rock. Jordan bulked up for his comeback. Larry Johnson was chiseled out of granite. Blake Griffin - darn reliable shooter. Ron Freakin' Artist was jacked - and not a bad shooter at all.

Of course, those guys are all much taller. Derrick's body type is almost identical to that of Derek Fisher, whose 3-point shooting helped the Lakers win numerous titles.

But I will say that Ben Wallace and Dwight Howard never could shoot, so maybe Derrick is a mini version of them and not the others I named!

Here's the deal: Some guys can shoot, some can't!
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Johnny B

Quote from: MU82 on September 09, 2014, 03:34:42 PM
Hmmm. Have you seen any photos of LeBron since, well, since he was 15?

Mailman Malone became an outstanding shooter even though he had a physique like a rock. Jordan bulked up for his comeback. Larry Johnson was chiseled out of granite. Blake Griffin - darn reliable shooter. Ron Freakin' Artist was jacked - and not a bad shooter at all.

Of course, those guys are all much taller. Derrick's body type is almost identical to that of Derek Fisher, whose 3-point shooting helped the Lakers win numerous titles.

But I will say that Ben Wallace and Dwight Howard never could shoot, so maybe Derrick is a mini version of them and not the others I named!

Here's the deal: Some guys can shoot, some can't!
Compairing Derrick Wilson to Derrick Fischer is like comparing Mt. Everest to a cup of dirt.

mu03eng

Quote from: MU82 on September 09, 2014, 03:34:42 PM
Hmmm. Have you seen any photos of LeBron since, well, since he was 15?

Mailman Malone became an outstanding shooter even though he had a physique like a rock. Jordan bulked up for his comeback. Larry Johnson was chiseled out of granite. Blake Griffin - darn reliable shooter. Ron Freakin' Artist was jacked - and not a bad shooter at all.

Of course, those guys are all much taller. Derrick's body type is almost identical to that of Derek Fisher, whose 3-point shooting helped the Lakers win numerous titles.

But I will say that Ben Wallace and Dwight Howard never could shoot, so maybe Derrick is a mini version of them and not the others I named!

Here's the deal: Some guys can shoot, some can't!

Yeah, but, Jon Harris
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GB Warrior

I predict that he will be the first person in history to miss the majority of shots that he doesn't take.

MU82

Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 09, 2014, 03:43:59 PM
Compairing Derrick Wilson to Derrick Fischer is like comparing Mt. Everest to a cup of dirt.

Not sure what this even means, but OK.

And I compared Derrick to Derek, not to another Derrick.
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

bilsu

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on September 09, 2014, 11:47:53 AM
Are you inferring that he should receive playing time because he kept the team together and he is a good guy? Wojo needs to keep his personal opinions separate from what is good for the team. If Derrick proves to be the best player then play him, if not he needs to roll with the better option. This is high major basketball and playing someone regardless of ability is a recipe for disaster, hence last years record.
Wojo said that the players that give 100% everyday will play. Derrick always gives 100%. There are several returning players that cannot claim that. Derrick would not play significant minutes on a top 10 team, but I am not sure we have any players that would. I believe Duane and Carlino will see the most minutes at guard, but Derrick will play significant minutes backing up both guard spots and the three.

ChitownSpaceForRent

Lets face it. Hes just a bad shooter. Sure he can improve but to what extent over a single summer? Some people just cant shoot, its not anything bad but he just doesn't have a whole lot else on the offensive end to compensate for that and that's where the problems start.

willie warrior

Quote from: bilsu on September 09, 2014, 03:51:59 PM
Wojo said that the players that give 100% everyday will play. Derrick always gives 100%. There are several returning players that cannot claim that. Derrick would not play significant minutes on a top 10 team, but I am not sure we have any players that would. I believe Duane and Carlino will see the most minutes at guard, but Derrick will play significant minutes backing up both guard spots and the three.
Wrongo--Derrick will not back up both guard spots--no way, no how, no sir! And he will not play the three!
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

Texas Western

Quote from: willie warrior on September 09, 2014, 03:56:50 PM
Wrongo--Derrick will not back up both guard spots--no way, no how, no sir! And he will not play the three!
Are you saying he will start?

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Derrick is much more effective as a backup than as a starter. He is better as a change of pace than as the number one option. Derrick is effective when defenses treat him like he's a legitimate scoring threat. If he comes in off the bench to play 8-18 minutes a game, I don't think defenses will shift to account for him.
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ATL MU Warrior

Derrick will almost certainly be a starter at the beginning of the year and will probably play about 20 minutes a game, maybe more in the first half of the season.  We don't have enough players for it to be much different than that IMO. 

Johnny B

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on September 09, 2014, 05:28:03 PM
Derrick will almost certainly be a starter at the beginning of the year and will probably play about 20 minutes a game, maybe more in the first half of the season.  We don't have enough players for it to be much different than that IMO. 
If he starts were in trouble.

willie warrior

Quote from: Texas Western on September 09, 2014, 04:36:48 PM
Are you saying he will start?
Pretty self explanatory.....Reading...is...fundamental!!!!!
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: Johnny Basketball on September 09, 2014, 05:45:49 PM
If he starts were in trouble.
He and Carlino start as they are both seniors and experienced at this level.  That seems fairly obvious.

Who's going to start over Derrick?  Duane who has never played a minute of college ball?  Dawson? 

Am I forgetting somebody? 

77ncaachamps

Derrick can potentially extend his playing minutes just by slapping the floor.
SS Marquette

MU82

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on September 09, 2014, 06:03:31 PM
He and Carlino start as they are both seniors and experienced at this level.  That seems fairly obvious.

Who's going to start over Derrick?  Duane who has never played a minute of college ball?  Dawson? 

Am I forgetting somebody? 

I don't know ... Wojo's mentor started an awful lot of guys who had never played a minute of college ball if he thought they were better than veterans.

Duane's no Jabari Parker, true. But last year's starting PG would have had to walk on at Duke.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: MU82 on September 09, 2014, 06:14:09 PM
I don't know ... Wojo's mentor started an awful lot of guys who had never played a minute of college ball if he thought they were better than veterans.

Duane's no Jabari Parker, true. But last year's starting PG would have had to walk on at Duke.
MU is not Duke (sorry to say).

I doubt we have any players on our team that would be scholarship players at Duke...did any of the guys on our team get an offer from them?

Anyway, Derrick starts to begin the season.  I am quite sure. 

If he doesn't, then that's a good sign we might be a lot better than what I think we are going to be.

keefe

Quote from: bilsu on September 09, 2014, 10:46:56 AM
I think you just do not give him credit for being the team leader. He will play simply because Wojo will like him. Remember he worked to keep the team together and did the blogs this summer about the team. Irregardless of his abilities he is a player the coach is simply going to like and trust.


Death on call

GGGG

I'm really not sure who is going to start.  What role does Carlino play?  How good are Dawson, Duane and JJJ?  What system will Wojo run? 

I think Derrick Wilson will get about 20 mpg.  But he won't get the 30 mpg he got last year. 

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