Ray Rice let go by Ravens

[forgetful]

I'd add that the District Attorney didn't pursue this, which is interesting to me.  They allowed him to enter a diversionary program.  Now again, IF (IF IF IF) the Ravens and\or NFL didn't see the video and the prosecution's office is basically letting go to a program, AND his wife is saying it was partly her fault, etc, etc....what are the Ravens and NFL supposed to do?

Now, IF (IF IF IF IF) they did see the video, then of course it's a totally different issue.  I'd like to know what the prosecutorial office's take on this was to move in the direction they did.   

I'm sure interesting days ahead.

Ray Rice was rich and famous.  The prosecutorial office did not pursue it, because they take kid gloves to the vast majority of the rich and famous.  The NFL and Ravens almost assuredly saw the video, but figured it would never see the light of day or if it did the public outcry would not be as bad as it had been.

It came out very soon while there was still negative publicity from the kid glove treatment of Rice, that led to a worst case scenario of public outcry.  They then acted and began to cover up what they knew and when.

Really pretty standard behavior, this demonstrates a lot of what is wrong these days.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ray Rice was rich and famous.  The prosecutorial office did not pursue it, because they take kid gloves to the vast majority of the rich and famous.  The NFL and Ravens almost assuredly saw the video, but figured it would never see the light of day or if it did the public outcry would not be as bad as it had been.

It came out very soon while there was still negative publicity from the kid glove treatment of Rice, that led to a worst case scenario of public outcry.  They then acted and began to cover up what they knew and when.

Really pretty standard behavior, this demonstrates a lot of what is wrong these days.

I guess we'll find out eventually...I don't disagree with you on famous people getting special treatment, it definitely happens....could tell you some fun stories about Packers, Cowboys, etc over the years, though usually it is the local cops that let the local players off.  Rice was in Atlantic City.  Who knows.

Still have a hard time with the NFL having seen the video.  Though a colleague of mine that deals with the NFL exclusively for his gig told me this tonight.  He believes the NFL did not see the video before the 2 game suspension was given.  Now, if you break that down, he might be suggesting they saw the video AFTER the 2 game suspension was given and that could have led to Goodell's letter to the NFL owners saying he didn't make the right call and instituted the new 6 game suspension for first offense and lifetime for second.  I may be reading too much into his words. 

[Anti-Dentite]

Willfull ignorance if the NFL and the Raven organization didn't see this video before yesterday. It was in a casino hotel, there are cameras everywhere and everyone knows it. If they didn't see it, they went out of their way to not see it.

[MU111]

Honestly, I do think it matters.  The story he gave and his wife (then fiance stated) is that he was acting in self defense.  She hit him multiple times, she claimed, and he reacted and hit her in self defense.  Did he knock her out, did her head hit something, was it a punch or a slap, etc, etc.  No one knew, only what both parties stated.  Looking at the video, it's hard to claim self defense despite what both said, though I could see someone say she is lungeing at him in the elevator....who knows.  Point is, if both parties are saying that, what is the NFL supposed to do IF (IF IF IF) they have not seen a video and don't know the circumstances in full?

Give me a break already. Regardless of whether they saw this video, (I'm sure they did), there was still the original video of him dragging her unconscious out of the elevator. Even bringing into the conversation a possible self-defense idea is disgusting. He has how many pounds and how much strength on her?  He knocked her out.  The bottom line is that law enforcement and the NFL both gave Rice less than a slap on the wrist, and this second video should never have been needed in the first place for a stiffer punishment.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Fantasy football is so popular among women lately, perhaps not so much after this event? That could be a $ hit the NFL feels since men will probably not stop watching just because of this but women...?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Willfull ignorance if the NFL and the Raven organization didn't see this video before yesterday. It was in a casino hotel, there are cameras everywhere and everyone knows it. If they didn't see it, they went out of their way to not see it.

That's far different than they did see it, which were the claims here yesterday.

Also, just because you want them to see it or you feel they should have seen it, doesn't mean they have the legal right to see it, especially during an active investigation.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Give me a break already. Regardless of whether they saw this video, (I'm sure they did), there was still the original video of him dragging her unconscious out of the elevator. Even bringing into the conversation a possible self-defense idea is disgusting. He has how many pounds and how much strength on her?  He knocked her out.  The bottom line is that law enforcement and the NFL both gave Rice less than a slap on the wrist, and this second video should never have been needed in the first place for a stiffer punishment.

I believe if the 2nd video didn't matter, you wouldn't have seen the explosion yesterday.

It mattered.

[Benny B]

Willfull ignorance if the NFL and the Raven organization didn't see this video before yesterday. It was in a casino hotel, there are cameras everywhere and everyone knows it. If they didn't see it, they went out of their way to not see it.

EXACTLY.

When the NFL said "they asked law enforcement for the video," it was a CYA line.  
Which law enforcement personnel were asked?  The detective overseeing the case or a parking checker from a different precinct?  
When did you ask law enforcement?  During the investigation when they knew all evidence would be under seal or after the court verdict when there was a possibility the court might actually release it?

I'm just curious, what is it that you think he has screwed up that would lead to him stepping down?

He interviewed the victim of domestic violence while the accused was in the room.  Major, major fail.

I believe if the 2nd video didn't matter, you wouldn't have seen the explosion yesterday.

It mattered.

Let me guess... you also believe that Tom Cruise is both heterosexual and a devout religious man, too.

[ChicosBailBonds]

EXACTLY.

When the NFL said "they asked law enforcement for the video," it was a CYA line.  
Which law enforcement personnel were asked?  The detective overseeing the case or a parking checker from a different precinct?  
When did you ask law enforcement?  During the investigation when they knew all evidence would be under seal or after the court verdict when there was a possibility the court might actually release it?

He interviewed the victim of domestic violence while the accused was in the room.  Major, major fail.

Let me guess... you also believe that Tom Cruise is both heterosexual and a devout religious man, too.

I have no idea about Tom Cruise nor do I care.

Simple question for  you, does the NFL have the right to obtain the video?  Who owns the video, who controls the video and under what legal obligation are they to turn it over to the NFL or the Ravens.

I'm asking.


And yes, seeing the video mattered. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Speaking of her, Benny, she has some comments today

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11493042/janay-rice-defends-ray-rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post

[Benny B]

I have no idea about Tom Cruise nor do I care.

Simple question for  you, does the NFL have the right to obtain the video?  Who owns the video, who controls the video and under what legal obligation are they to turn it over to the NFL or the Ravens.

I'm asking.


And yes, seeing the video mattered. 

It doesn't matter whether or not the NFL had the "right" to obtain the video.  It matters whether they had the "ability" to obtain the video.

The casino owns the video; the fact that it was used in a criminal investigation doesn't change the right of ownership.  And as far as the casino's legal obligation with respect to the video... not really sure what NJ law has to say on that; however, if TMZ got the video, why couldn't the NFL or Ravens?

Face it: the NFL, the Ravens and Roger screwed the pooch on this one.  At worst, it a was a deliberate - and futile - attempt to cover up what really happened, and at best, it was a deliberate piss-poor investigation from Day 1 whose sole purpose was to impart plausible deniability, not capture the truth.

[LAZER]

Funny to think how much better off Rice would be if they had just given him an 8 game suspension right off the bat.  The video would have come out and some  would have questioned if the punishment was enough and others would probably say it was fair and everyone would probably move on.

[rocket surgeon]

Speaking of her, Benny, she has some comments today

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11493042/janay-rice-defends-ray-rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post

makes one kinda wonder here...i understand janay is now losing out on some bank too.  i guess it doesn't matter to what extent janay now comes to the defense of "sugar" ray?  do the rice's have any grounds for a lawsuit here?  i'm really not the litigious type. but...?  i suppose you can find something in his contract with both the ravens and the nfl that he violated and is grounds for a dismissal.  anyone see a michael vick or ray lewis come back here if he does all the right things?

[Lennys Tap]

Speaking of her, Benny, she has some comments today

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11493042/janay-rice-defends-ray-rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post

So, if I'm outraged by what Ray Rice did to her but she's not, am I calling her stupid? I mean, if the "offended" person isn't offended does it mean I can't be? That's Chico Logic and it doesn't cut it here either.

[GGGG]

So, if I'm outraged by what Ray Rice did to her but she's not, am I calling her stupid? I mean, if the "offended" person isn't offended does it mean I can't be? That's Chico Logic and it doesn't cut it here either.

And does it surprise anyone that Chicos is defending Goodell in this thread?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Greg Hardy

Tell me the video doesn't matter...both videos.  The videos matter absolutely. 

Greg Hardy....case in point

[LAZER]

Greg Hardy

Tell me the video doesn't matter...both videos.  The videos matter absolutely. 

Greg Hardy....case in point

It doesn't matter because any reasonable person understood what happened in the elevator.

[Aughnanure]

I'm not at all buying that the NFL didn't see this video before. Doesn't pass the smell test

Also, is there anything more hilarious that watching Ray Lewis talk about morals and ethics in this situation?

From Peter King in July (aka corporate mouthpiece of the NFL):

"There is one other thing I did not write or refer to, and that is the other videotape the NFL and some Ravens officials have seen, from the security camera inside the elevator at the time of the physical altercation between Rice and his fiancée."

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/29/jordan-gross-weight-retirement-panthers/2/

So yeah, they knew....

[MU B2002]

Greg Hardy

Tell me the video doesn't matter...both videos.  The videos matter absolutely. 

Greg Hardy....case in point

Is there a video in the Greg Hardy case?

[LON]

From Peter King in July (aka corporate mouthpiece of the NFL):

"There is one other thing I did not write or refer to, and that is the other videotape the NFL and some Ravens officials have seen, from the security camera inside the elevator at the time of the physical altercation between Rice and his fiancée."

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/29/jordan-gross-weight-retirement-panthers/2/

So yeah, they knew....

http://deadspin.com/has-peter-king-read-his-own-reporting-on-the-ray-rice-f-1631901579

http://deadspin.com/peter-king-issues-statement-on-his-ray-rice-reporting-1632044670

[jesmu84]

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/what-does-it-take-to-get-roger-goodell-fired-2/

[ChicosBailBonds]

Here's the money shot


A spokesman for the New Jersey state attorney general responded to questions about why the video was not released to the NFL.

"It's grand jury material. It would have been improper -- in fact, illegal -- for the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office to provide it to an outside/private/non law-enforcement entity," Paul Loriquet said, according to ABC News.


As I stated yesterday, we can want the NFL and the Ravens to have seen it, we can pretend they have super powers to obtain it, we can say they should have seen it, but that doesn't make it so.  Common sense would state that for a commissioner that was criticized over the years for suspensions that were TOO HARSH to only give 2 games IF he has seen the video would be absurd.  This notion by people that "of course" they saw the video, seems shaky at best, and law enforcement seems to back that up...there is no legal reason for them to give it nor any compelling legal reason for the Ravens or NFL to have a right to acquire it at that time. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11494073/nfl-says-ray-rice-video-was-sought-multiple-sources


The video matters.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Is there a video in the Greg Hardy case?

DING DING DING

Exactly my point.  Yet, what he did I think many would argue was far worse.

The video matters.

[LAZER]

Here's the money shot


A spokesman for the New Jersey state attorney general responded to questions about why the video was not released to the NFL.

"It's grand jury material. It would have been improper -- in fact, illegal -- for the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office to provide it to an outside/private/non law-enforcement entity," Paul Loriquet said, according to ABC News.


As I stated yesterday, we can want the NFL and the Ravens to have seen it, we can pretend they have super powers to obtain it, we can say they should have seen it, but that doesn't make it so.  Common sense would state that for a commissioner that was criticized over the years for suspensions that were TOO HARSH to only give 2 games IF he has seen the video would be absurd.  This notion by people that "of course" they saw the video, seems shaky at best, and law enforcement seems to back that up...there is no legal reason for them to give it nor any compelling legal reason for the Ravens or NFL to have a right to acquire it at that time. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11494073/nfl-says-ray-rice-video-was-sought-multiple-sources


The video matters.

So why suspend Rice 2 games at all then?

[reinko]

DING DING DING

Exactly my point.  Yet, what he did I think many would argue was far worse.

The video matters.

CBB, please, just think about this for a moment.

~The NFL and the Ravens put Janay in the same room as RR to talk about the incident.
~The Ravens, tweeted the following, and after 6 months, finally delelted it yesterday.  


~Jim Harbaugh in training camp, saying "He makes a mistake, alright. He's gonna have to pay a consequence. It's good for kids to understand that it works that way, and that's how it works. That's how it should be."

~Ravens head of PR saying: I liked Ray Rice a lot then. I like Ray Rice a lot today.  Clearly Ray has been scrutinized. He has been reviewed in a court of law and in the court of public opinion. The NFL punished Ray Rice with a two-game suspension and a third game check. He will lose 3/17 of his salary.

~Ravens celebrating RR on their website during training camp

You say the video matters, but they all knew Ray Rice knocked out a woman, then dragged her out of the elevator.  I guess, they could be so oblivious to think that it could have been accident...it could have been self defense...she could have attacked with a knife...

This is the lowest of the low.  

The fact the video matters is a sad sad thing in this country.  The fact that Goodell, Ozzie Newsome, Jim Harbaugh all stood up, knowing RR plain and simple knocked out his fiance in an elevator, is atrocious.  You the, king of calling out the hypocrites.  Yet, you stand up and defend that stooge Goodell.  

C'mon man.