Novak to be traded to Jazz. Ends Buycks to Novak dream calls

[Dawson Rental]

Even more so, its gonna be weird going from living in, arguably, the two most cosmopolitan cities in North America in NYC and Toronto...to Salt Lake City

Does the major of Salt Lake City do crack?

[AZWarrior]

Does the major of Salt Lake City do crack?

No, but several of his wives do.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

MU82, you're right. I don't really have the experience to say what a good place to raise a family is. I don't have a family. What I should have said, is when I have a family, I would much rather raise them in a city like Salt Lake than NYC or Chicago.

Apologies.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Does the major of Salt Lake City do crack?

Funny you mention.  My wife and I have friends in Ontario who we will see in our visit.  They sent us an article to warn us of bad traffic in Toronto mostly caused by misguided, ill-timed and non-coordinated closing of highways for construction.  Stuff like two highways & subway line closed simultaneously.  My first reaction was maybe if the mayor wasn't on crack.......

[JWags85]

I know a fair number of people who live in Connecticut and take the train to NYC every day and they are definitely not multi-millionaires.  My neighbor did it for years and surprising loved it despite the 1h40m train ride.   I used to laugh as I'd be just beginning my 5:30AM run and he would be sprinting out of his house to the car to catch the train.

And it does sound like you're mixing up a little of the Hollywood version of NYC with the real version of NYC.

I didn't mean that only someone like Novak could do that.  Most people that I've known working in NYC, that were in their 30s and older, were doing it.  I just meant everything about that sort of thing is easier when you're in the unique situation Novak is.

And when I say terrible, I mean it as Midwestern people who have a certain idea about what raising a family is about.  I love NYC, spent alot of time there, but growing up we had alot of space, that's not a very manageable reality in alot of NYC.

And duh, Chicago is a terrible place to raise a family.  Didn't you see there were 40+ shootings over July 4th, the whole city is basically Escape from LA! (not making light of the very real issues, but more how people have incorrect perceptions about alot of things)

[Coleman]

I didn't mean that only someone like Novak could do that.  Most people that I've known working in NYC, that were in their 30s and older, were doing it.  I just meant everything about that sort of thing is easier when you're in the unique situation Novak is.

And when I say terrible, I mean it as Midwestern people who have a certain idea about what raising a family is about.  I love NYC, spent alot of time there, but growing up we had alot of space, that's not a very manageable reality in alot of NYC.

And duh, Chicago is a terrible place to raise a family.  Didn't you see there were 40+ shootings over July 4th, the whole city is basically Escape from LA! (not making light of the very real issues, but more how people have incorrect perceptions about alot of things)

Most of Chicago is fine, very safe in fact.

Almost all of the violence is contained to about 4 or 5 neighborhoods on the south and west sides. And in those neighborhoods its a major, major problem, not denying that.

But its funny when people refer to Chicago as some sort of single place. It is not a Milwaukee-size city. It is like 10 Milwaukees. There are some really bad areas. There are also some really, really, wealthy areas, some of the richest zip codes in the country. There are some working class neighborhoods, immigrant neighborhoods, poor neighborhoods, middle class neighborhoods, and everything in between.

Raising a family in Salt Lake City over Chicago is hilarious. I've been to SLC. It is a nice, clean city, but offers 1% of what Chicago does in culture, arts, educational experiences, cuisine, ethnic diversity, sports, etc.

Give me Chicago every time. My kids will be well-rounded and not raised in a bubble. 

[MU82]

Most of Chicago is fine, very safe in fact.

Almost all of the violence is contained to about 4 or 5 neighborhoods on the south and west sides. And in those neighborhoods its a major, major problem, not denying that.

But its funny when people refer to Chicago as some sort of single place. It is not a Milwaukee-size city. It is like 10 Milwaukees. There are some really bad areas. There are also some really, really, wealthy areas, some of the richest zip codes in the country. There are some working class neighborhoods, immigrant neighborhoods, poor neighborhoods, middle class neighborhoods, and everything in between.

Raising a family in Salt Lake City over Chicago is hilarious. I've been to SLC. It is a nice, clean city, but offers 1% of what Chicago does in culture, arts, educational experiences, cuisine, ethnic diversity, sports, etc.

Give me Chicago every time. My kids will be well-rounded and not raised in a bubble. 

Just as TAMU doesn't know enough about Chicago to know if it is a good place to raise a family, I don't know enough about SLC to know if I'd want to raise a family there.

I'm guessing there are parts of SLC I'd find worthy, just as there are parts of Chicago I found worthy.

Everything Bleuteaux says here is accurate. I especially like the line about Chicago being like 10 Milwaukees. Chicago is a huge city, both in population and land mass. There are so many cultures and so many cultural differences within its borders, not even mentioning its suburbs.

When I was transferred from Minny to Chicago, I simply assumed we'd live in some white-bread suburb. After all, we lived in the burbs in Minny and even lived outside the Madison city limits when we were there for a couple years. I grew up in a Connecticut suburb, too.

But several friends of mine who lived in the city encouraged me to do more research and we ended up settling in an extremely nice neighborhood that was even affordable.

I already described what living there was like in an earlier post, so I won't go into that again. What I will say is that Chicago and Illinois did eventually wear on me -- especially the traffic, weather, high taxes and dirty politics. By the time we moved to N.C. in 2010, we were ready to leave.

But you know what? Charlotte and N.C. have many of the same problems. The mayor here was just indicted for taking bribes ... and they were pathetic bribes -- around 25K. I mean, if you're gonna risk jail, you gotta at least go for 6 figures, no?

If my son is still living in Chicago in a few years, I'd go back there in a heartbeat ... but only if I could afford to live where I wouldn't need a car and only if I could afford to spend Thanksgiving to Tax Day somewhere warm!

[Coleman]

Just as TAMU doesn't know enough about Chicago to know if it is a good place to raise a family, I don't know enough about SLC to know if I'd want to raise a family there.

I'm guessing there are parts of SLC I'd find worthy, just as there are parts of Chicago I found worthy.

Everything Bleuteaux says here is accurate. I especially like the line about Chicago being like 10 Milwaukees. Chicago is a huge city, both in population and land mass. There are so many cultures and so many cultural differences within its borders, not even mentioning its suburbs.

When I was transferred from Minny to Chicago, I simply assumed we'd live in some white-bread suburb. After all, we lived in the burbs in Minny and even lived outside the Madison city limits when we were there for a couple years. I grew up in a Connecticut suburb, too.

But several friends of mine who lived in the city encouraged me to do more research and we ended up settling in an extremely nice neighborhood that was even affordable.

I already described what living there was like in an earlier post, so I won't go into that again. What I will say is that Chicago and Illinois did eventually wear on me -- especially the traffic, weather, high taxes and dirty politics. By the time we moved to N.C. in 2010, we were ready to leave.

But you know what? Charlotte and N.C. have many of the same problems. The mayor here was just indicted for taking bribes ... and they were pathetic bribes -- around 25K. I mean, if you're gonna risk jail, you gotta at least go for 6 figures, no?

If my son is still living in Chicago in a few years, I'd go back there in a heartbeat ... but only if I could afford to live where I wouldn't need a car and only if I could afford to spend Thanksgiving to Tax Day somewhere warm!

Totally echo your sentiments about the taxes, traffic, etc. For me it is still worth the benefits of living in such as world class city, but I probably won't spend the rest of my life there.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

And Chicago offers about 1% of the natural beauty the Salt Lake does. I'd want my kids to grow up in a safe, welcoming environment, surrounded by beautiful mountains, where everyone is environment conscious and health conscious and the air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.

As someone else said (Keefe I think) it comes down to personal taste. I love cities but only when they are the size of Milwaukee, Salt Lake, Denver, Austin, Raleigh, etc. I can't stand cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, or Houston. Fun to visit but I'm always glad to leave. Others couldn't imagine living anywhere else.

I do love me some Chicago pizza though

[Coleman]

And Chicago offers about 1% of the natural beauty the Salt Lake does. I'd want my kids to grow up in a safe, welcoming environment, surrounded by beautiful mountains, where everyone is environment conscious and health conscious and the air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.

As someone else said (Keefe I think) it comes down to personal taste. I love cities but only when they are the size of Milwaukee, Salt Lake, Denver, Austin, Raleigh, etc. I can't stand cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, or Houston. Fun to visit but I'm always glad to leave. Others couldn't imagine living anywhere else.

I do love me some Chicago pizza though

Fair enough. There are no mountains. But there are plenty of views

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I loved having this as my commute home from work:

[JWags85]

The air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.

Lets not confuse Chicago with Gary

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

And Chicago offers about 1% of the natural beauty the Salt Lake does. I'd want my kids to grow up in a safe, welcoming environment, surrounded by beautiful mountains, where everyone is environment conscious and health conscious and the air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.

As someone else said (Keefe I think) it comes down to personal taste. I love cities but only when they are the size of Milwaukee, Salt Lake, Denver, Austin, Raleigh, etc. I can't stand cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, or Houston. Fun to visit but I'm always glad to leave. Others couldn't imagine living anywhere else.

I do love me some Chicago pizza though

TAMU - You lost all credibility with the pizza mention!

[🏀]

And Chicago offers about 1% of the natural beauty the Salt Lake does. I'd want my kids to grow up in a safe, welcoming environment, surrounded by beautiful mountains, where everyone is environment conscious and health conscious and the air doesn't taste like week old car exhaust.

As someone else said (Keefe I think) it comes down to personal taste. I love cities but only when they are the size of Milwaukee, Salt Lake, Denver, Austin, Raleigh, etc. I can't stand cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, or Houston.

Hmmm...this is where your point is off. Houston is hardly anything like NYC, Chicago or LA in anything but population.

[keefe]

TAMU - You lost all credibility with the pizza mention!

You beat me to it, Nutmeg!! Give me coal-fired every time!

[keefe]

I loved having this as my commute home from work:

Aggie,

I love the Wasatch for reasons stated in another thread. But SLC, for the non-believer, can be hard to swallow. Several of my buds fly for Delta and are based in SLC.  They all live in Park City. For one reason.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Again, I don't know about Toronto, but the example you gave, Chicago is another terrible place to raise a family. Not talking about any suburbs, I mean living in downtown Chicago or NYC. I wouldn't want my kids to live in either.

Well thats gonna suck for my future kids then cause they will be born and raised in Chicago like I was and my parents before me and their parents and even their parents. I turned out all right along with my family and many others I went to school and grew up with. This sudden turn to "anti-Chciago" that many people have taken lately needs to stop.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Hmmm...this is where your point is off. Houston is hardly anything like NYC, Chicago or LA in anything but population.

I was so disappointed by Houston after visiting for the first time 2 years ago on a business trip. 

[keefe]

Fair enough. There are no mountains. But there are plenty of views

[GooooMarquette]

Having lived in cities with pro sports (Milwaukee, Chicago and Nashville) and cities without them (Richmond, Madison and others), I've come to the conclusion that no one city (or type of city) is "better" or "best" for everyone.  It all depends on what the person is looking for...and even that changes over time. 

Regarding SLC, which I've visited but never lived in, it seems a couple of guys named Stockton and Malone liked it enough to stick around for a while.  My guess is that they probably had plenty of opportunities to move to Chicago, LA or NYC, and decided not to.  I know Stockton is Catholic, and am pretty sure Malone isn't Mormon....

[Spotcheck Billy]

Well thats gonna suck for my future kids then cause they will be born and raised in Chicago like I was and my parents before me and their parents and even their parents. I turned out all right along with my family and many others I went to school and grew up with. This sudden turn to "anti-Chciago" that many people have taken lately needs to stop.

what do you mean "sudden turn"? 

[keefe]

Having lived in cities with pro sports (Milwaukee, Chicago and Nashville) and cities without them (Richmond, Madison and others), I've come to the conclusion that no one city (or type of city) is "better" or "best" for everyone.  It all depends on what the person is looking for...and even that changes over time. 

Regarding SLC, which I've visited but never lived in, it seems a couple of guys named Stockton and Malone liked it enough to stick around for a while.  My guess is that they probably had plenty of opportunities to move to Chicago, LA or NYC, and decided not to.  I know Stockton is Catholic, and am pretty sure Malone isn't Mormon....

Stockton is from the Inland Empire which is culturally similar to SLC. A lot of people don't realize it but Mos dominate the Mountain West. Drive through southern Idaho and the predominant architectural feature is LDS Temple Steeples.

Malone is an avid hunter and fisherman so living in the Wasatch was a joy. If you can get past the Mormon Mafia life in Utah can be splendid but you have got to love the outdoors.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well thats gonna suck for my future kids then cause they will be born and raised in Chicago like I was and my parents before me and their parents and even their parents. I turned out all right along with my family and many others I went to school and grew up with. This sudden turn to "anti-Chciago" that many people have taken lately needs to stop.

I already apologized for the post. One of those "dont think about what words mean when you post them on the internet" moments.I don't really think there's an anti-Chicago movement, I just think a lot of people wouldn't like living there. And chicagans don't understand why not

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

TAMU - You lost all credibility with the pizza mention!

Give me deep and thick over big and flabby any day.

I know, I know. I'm dating a new Yorker, she tells me how wrong I am all the time

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Give me deep and thick over big and flabby any day.

I know, I know. I'm dating a new Yorker, she tells me how wrong I am all the time

New Haven style is not Big & Flabby.  It's thin and crispy with almost no crust after being coal baked in 75 year old brick ovens and loaded with fresh ingredients.
NYC pizza is slightly lesser version of New Haven style.