Noskowiak recruiting Ellenson

[Wojo'sMojo]

Dawson was not a better option than Derrick.

And you can't look at a stat line in a vacuum and take nothing else into consideration.  That's your problem.  You look at 1 thing: POINTS!  Unfortunately for your arguments, there is more to basketball than that.  Not all players are asked to do the same things on the court, and not all games are going to be played the exact same way.  I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it actually is true.  Tough to wrap your head around, I know, I know.

Ners, how dare you have an opinion that differs from the almighty wadesworld! Don't you know that he is the only person who knows anything about basketball  

[JakeBarnes]

So...anyone hear how the Ellenson visit to Marquette went? With all the hook and bait talk, I am assuming there was a fishing trip involved?

[Stretchdeltsig]

Ellenson will be a great Warrior.  I will be excited to watch him play.  Hope he decides soon.

[KenoshaWarrior]

Nate,

How's little Davante?

KId is causing way to much trouble, he is 1 1/2 and dude rarely sleeps and runs all over the place.

[GGGG]

You really shouldn't question people's basketball knowledge.  There was a better option than Derrick.  Just like Todd was a better option than Jake...likely JJJ too.  Just like Deonte a better option than Juan.  

Buzz was awful last year - and the record says as much.  For being picked by the Big East coaches as the pre-season favorite, to finish 9-9 and miss the NIT...says all that needs to be said about Buzz's judgement as a coach last season.

Yet you and a select handful of others continue to try to beat the ridiculous drum that Buzz didn't have a better option than Derrick... in Dawson.  I could probably find about 100 posts from the select few who share your ignorant point of view - where if Dawson had a game of 20 minutes with 0 points, 0 assists, and 3 personal fouls...they'd point to it as proof he wasn't ready nor a better option than Derrick. Yet here again, we have people championing the performance Derrick turned in at Wisconsin 3 years ago as "great."    

I will point out that you said you were going to drop this debate.

And you haven't.

You simply can't help yourself.

[VegasWarrior77]

The start of the second last paragraph of the NU kid's post:

"Northwestern is not ready for a five-star player."

Case closed.

[real chili 83]

[silently screams; with sadness, blames Chili for starting this; looks out the window at the peaks of the Three Sisters, and remembers again how happy he is; life is good; real basketball talk in a couple of months; wishes he could have done this all in a haiku; sighs and decides to try]

Chili how could you?
Trolling Ners like a walleye
Smile; Banff then b-ball

Yep I had a bloody
Mary when I baited Ners
Chicos fault A1

Casa de legs
Can I swill bourbon with you
Oak park your garage

[real chili 83]

Ners,

Love you bro.

Don't take the bait.

Give it up.  Season is over.

Derrick rules next year.  Book it.   

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Ners, how dare you have an opinion that differs from the almighty wadesworld! Don't you know that he is the only person who knows anything about basketball  

WM, fight back. If Wadesworld insults you and says you don't understand basketball, don't get defensive. That just proves him right. Prove him wrong. Make a basketball centered argument to prove your point. Use what knowledge and experience you have to show why your argument is correct.

If I'm coming off as insulting, I'm honestly not trying to be. The above is the only way to shut guys like me, Wadesworld, Jay Bee, Ners, etc up. If you only respond to comments like Wadesworld's above with jokes, he'll assume that he is right and you don't understand basketball.

As am writing this I'm realizing that this assumes any of us should care what anyone else on this board thinks....which why should any of us really care? Maybe I need to rethink this post, lol

Anyways, cheers.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This entire conversation is hilarious. The only addition I care to make is the biggest divide between the sides seems to be preseason expectations. The "pro Derrick" side for the most part, expected Derrick to be a 5 ppt, 3 rpg, 3 apg, defensive pg. The "anti-derrick" crowd expected him to be more. To one side, he played at our even above expectations. To the other,he under performed.

Back to Ellenson, I'm liking what I'm hearing and seeing. Fine is the biggest threat imho. I haven't heard anything about Kentucky chasing him.

[ChicosBailBonds]

KId is causing way to much trouble, he is 1 1/2 and dude rarely sleeps and runs all over the place.

Give him another year or so, then it's a ton of fun for a good 7 years...then drama for awhile.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Wadesworld is an a$$ at times....but you kind of lost your credibility to judge other people's knowledge of basketball when you logged your prediction of Marquette averaging 94 points a game next season.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying

Well for one, I wasn't judging anyone's knowledge of basketball. He referred to my knowledge of basketball. Two, when averaging players ppg it is not the same as what your team ppg is. I also stated that my total was probably on the high end, but that's where I thought it would roughly end up. Obviously as a team we wouldn't avg 94 ppg. I feel hurt that you don't find me to be credible TAMU. When I came onto this board, my goal was to be respected by the guy with all the "inside" info that he shares all the time   oh well!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well for one, I wasn't judging anyone's knowledge of basketball. He referred to my knowledge of basketball. Two, when averaging players ppg it is not the same as what your team ppg is. I also stated that my total was probably on the high end, but that's where I thought it would roughly end up. Obviously as a team we wouldn't avg 94 ppg. I feel hurt that you don't find me to be credible TAMU. When I came onto this board, my goal was to be respected by the guy with all the "inside" info that he shares all the time   oh well!

WM, I apologize. Honestly. My comment was out of line. I was editing it as you can see above. I was hoping that I could get it edited before anyone had a chance to see it. Pushed send without really thinking. Like wadesworld, I can also be an a$$ at times.

Again, apologies.

[JakeBarnes]

Well for one, I wasn't judging anyone's knowledge of basketball. He referred to my knowledge of basketball. Two, when averaging players ppg it is not the same as what your team ppg is. I also stated that my total was probably on the high end, but that's where I thought it would roughly end up. Obviously as a team we wouldn't avg 94 ppg. I feel hurt that you don't find me to be credible TAMU. When I came onto this board, my goal was to be respected by the guy with all the "inside" info that he shares all the time   oh well!

Speaking of inside info that doesn't involve dick measuring contests about fake internet pride that most of us don't give two shits about...

Anyone hear how the visit went?  Is he gonna come to Marquette as a package deal with Wally?  Did Wojo give him the keys to the AL?  Are Wojo and Henry playing air guitar/keyboard together at Summerfest Grounds to Styx's "Renegade?"

[Wojo'sMojo]

WM, I apologize. Honestly. My comment was out of line. I was editing it as you can see above. I was hoping that I could get it edited before anyone had a chance to see it. Pushed send without really thinking. Like wadesworld, I can also be an a$$ at times.

Again, apologies.

Apology accepted and I apologize as well.

[wadesworld]

Well for one, I wasn't judging anyone's knowledge of basketball. He referred to my knowledge of basketball. Two, when averaging players ppg it is not the same as what your team ppg is. I also stated that my total was probably on the high end, but that's where I thought it would roughly end up. Obviously as a team we wouldn't avg 94 ppg. I feel hurt that you don't find me to be credible TAMU. When I came onto this board, my goal was to be respected by the guy with all the "inside" info that he shares all the time   oh well!

I'm not sure I understand your math.  So the sum of the averages of every player's points per game does not equal the team's total points per game?  So last year the sum of all of the players on Marquette's roster's points per game was 72, but we averaged...how many points as a team? That is an interesting concept.  Revolutionizing the game, math, statistics, and numbers all at once...Wojo does have some mojo!

[wadesworld]

Speaking of inside info that doesn't involve dick measuring contests about fake internet pride that most of us don't give two craps about...

Anyone hear how the visit went?  No.  Is he gonna come to Marquette as a package deal with Wally?  No.  Unless he had his personal track coach along with him, and Bill Cords offered him $150k to take over Marquette's program just to lure Wally in to join the track team, in order to lure Henry in to play basketball at Marquette.  Did Wojo give him the keys to the AL?  Yes.  Are Wojo and Henry playing air guitar/keyboard together at Summerfest Grounds to Styx's "Renegade?"  Air drum, actually.

See above.

[Wojo'sMojo]

I'm not sure I understand your math.  So the sum of the averages of every player's points per game does not equal the team's total points per game?  So last year the sum of all of the players on Marquette's roster's points per game was 72, but we averaged...how many points as a team? That is an interesting concept.  Revolutionizing the game, math, statistics, and numbers all at once...Wojo does have some mojo!

The sum of all the players ppg was 75.8 last year.

[wadesworld]

The sum of all the players ppg was 75.8 last year.

So in your predictions for each players' points per game average you are factoring in the games you believe each player will miss due to injury and/or suspension?  (Serious question).

[JakeBarnes]

See above.

Crap. Air drums? He's as good as gone then. The guy playing air drums is just humoring you. The dude playing air guitar with you is your true bro. Wojo needs to get his stuff together and man up for Henry.

[Tums Festival]

Chip Miller ‏@BLUEChip_Miller  8h
2015 forward Henry Ellenson Plans to Trim List in August ...

http://zagsblog.com/articles/five-star-power-forward-ellenson-plans-to-trim-list-in-august/

Apologies to JayBee that the Zagsblog link is from Nick Medline.

[Texas Western]

Chip Miller ‏@BLUEChip_Miller  8h
2015 forward Henry Ellenson Plans to Trim List in August ...

http://zagsblog.com/articles/five-star-power-forward-ellenson-plans-to-trim-list-in-august/

Apologies to JayBee that the Zagsblog link is from Nick Medline.

It looks like he is having fun with the process and enjoys being romanced by all these coaches.  We should take his brother  Wally with our open scholarships, no conditions attached. At the very least we get a great high jumper for the MU track team and we develop further relationship with the family.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It looks like he is having fun with the process and enjoys being romanced by all these coaches.  We should take his brother  Wally with our open scholarships, no conditions attached. At the very least we get a great high jumper for the MU track team and we develop further relationship with the family.

I saw we do this....as long as Wojo believes that Wally can actually help the team. One of our recruiting experts (Jay Bee I think) said Wally is actually better than his stat line at Minnesota suggests.

[Tugg Speedman]

I saw we do this....as long as Wojo believes that Wally can actually help the team. One of our recruiting experts (Jay Bee I think) said Wally is actually better than his stat line at Minnesota suggests.

You guys do realize that Wally finished second in NCAA Outdoors with a High Jump of 7-4.5?

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/trackfield-outdoor-men/d1/2014-di-track-and-field-results

Again, Wally is on the fast track to 2016 Olympic games in Rio.  Why would he derail that opportunity to become a "package deal" for Henry to a school that has program with no experience putting high jumpers into the Olympics??"  Restated, Wally's decision to transfer (or not) might be the bigger deal in the Ellenson household than Henry's.  Wally has "outgrown" Minnesota and should be looking at an SEC/PAC-12 school.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

You guys do realize that Wally finished second in NCAA Outdoors with a High Jump of 7-4?

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/trackfield-outdoor-men/d1/2014-di-track-and-field-results

Again, Wally is on the fast track to 2016 Olympic games in Rio.  Why would he derail that opportunity to become a "package deal" for Henry to a school that has program with no experience putting high jumpers into the Olympics??"  Restated, Wally's decision to transfer (or not) might be the bigger deal in the Ellenson household than Henry's.  Wally has "outgrown" Minnesota and should be looking at an SEC/PAC-12 school.  

I don't know anything about college track and field.

Are there schools/programs that are known for producing high jumpers or other specialized track athletes?