Noskowiak recruiting Ellenson

[Ardmore Mug]

And I thought this was a thread about Ellenson, but it has been turned out to be another hijacked thread about D Wilson...    SHEESH   

[Wojo'sMojo]

That doesn't fit Ners's and Wojo's agenda, though.

I have no agenda. I'm just continually baffled by why some posters trumpet Derrick's abilities all of the time. To say he was the main reason they won the Badger game is laughable to me. He didn't score or assist on a single basket. So he held Taylor to 13 points, big deal that's 13 more than he scored. It's like he gets credit because he didn't implode that day. He played good defense in the game, but did nothing on the offensive end. My only issue was saying he was the main reason we won the Badger game.

[NersEllenson]

Yeah they play college basketball 1 on 1 now.

Actually 4 on 5 in some rare cases...as said by the head coach who felt that was his best formula for winning last year.  

[GGGG]

real chili baits the hook....says it's bait...and Ners bites on it anyway.

At this point it's like fishing in a goldfish bowl.

[Jay Bee]

Chicos often will utilize the 'change what I meant' tactic. When wrong, he'll backpedal and "fix" what was previously said.

Ners on the other hand prefers to go with the 'change topic to something unrelated'.

"Let's talk in more detail about the 2011 game against Wisconsin. Here's some things you need to consider."

"Uhh, 2013-14 we didn't make the NIT!"

Cripes. I'm not talking about the effin 2013-14 season. Buzz blew it. I said as much in December - the personnel combos he was deploying were setup for failure. It was awful and bizarre.

However, my point was this: Derrick Wilson delivered very well in a big win at uw-madison in 2011. Looking at the point totals of Taylor vs. him to argue that it wasn't an impressive game is ridiculous. That's it. "OK, I agree" would work better than "three months ago we finished 17-15. Enough said."

Sheesh.

[wadesworld]

I have no agenda. I'm just continually baffled by why some posters trumpet Derrick's abilities all of the time. To say he was the main reason they won the Badger game is laughable to me. He didn't score or assist on a single basket. So he held Taylor to 13 points, big deal that's 13 more than he scored. It's like he gets credit because he didn't implode that day. He played good defense in the game, but did nothing on the offensive end. My only issue was saying he was the main reason we won the Badger game.

Okay, you don't have an agenda then, you just don't know basketball.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Okay, you don't have an agenda then, you just don't know basketball.

Can you please explain the game of basketball to me someday oh wise one...it would be so great to pick the brain of someone with all of your knowledge and wisdom. Why didn't Marquette just hire you to be the coach?? 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos often will utilize the 'change what I meant' tactic. When wrong, he'll backpedal and "fix" what was previously said.

Ners on the other hand prefers to go with the 'change topic to something unrelated'.

Usually I just admit I am wrong.  Or I clarify because I worded it poorly or people inferred incorrectly.

I suppose I could use your oft used tactic...."I was kidding and not serious"   

[real chili 83]

real chili baits the hook....says it's bait...and Ners bites on it anyway.

At this point it's like fishing in a goldfish bowl.

This.  ^

Just stirring the pot
Night crawler on a bobber
Now setting the hook

[Lennys Tap]

I generally don't read any of the Derrick vs. John vs. whatever nonsense... this one caught my eye and is another good example of people throwing out trash stats... puke.

Derrick's season-high 20 minutes at Wisconsin, a game in which MU was an 8-point underdog and Wilson was called upon in a crunch, was a strong performance by him. He did what he needed to: defend, keep the game flowing and don't turn the ball over.

I would have been far more alarmed with him scoring 10 points on 6 shots than I would have with him scoring 0 points on 0 shots.

Did he really "yield 13 points to Jordan Taylor"? Taylor had easily one of his five worst games of the season offensively, shooting a low 40% eFG while turning the ball over 5 times. How many other games did he turn it over 5 times during his senior season (in which he had a turnover rate of less than 12%)? ZERO. Never happened except in the loss to MU.

Taylor scored 13; fewer than half of those came while Derrick was even on the court. From the field, Taylor was 2/7 while Derrick was playing and 2/3 while he was out. 3 of his 5 turnovers came while Derrick was defending. Taylor had a grand total of 2 assists (1 with Derrick on the floor).

The fact is Derrick got minutes because of his mistake-free offense and good defense. And he delivered based on what was ordered. Excellent job in a hostile territory for a kid who hadn't played that much before. That's why 13 of Derrick's 20 minutes came in the second half when MU was ahead.

Wisconsin tried to slow this 63 possession game down, but MU kept the pace moving thanks in large part to Derrick. Time of possession: 1,037 MU, 1,363 Becky.

In addition, I believe that in scheduled regular season games Taylor had 4 fouls (never 5) in just 4 games. His 4 in 30 minutes vs. MU was his worst fouls per minute performance of the entire season (for a guy who avg'd 2.2 FC/40!).

Anyway, Jordan Taylor had an awful game. Derrick delivered how he needed to in order to help MU to a win. Great victory and a great game by Wilson.

That's all.

On behalf of every Scoop poster who watches both sides of the ball and delves deeper into the game than points scored or 3 point shooting %, a thousand thanks. Perfectly analyzed. You're right- that's all.

[Jay Bee]

Usually I just admit I am wrong.  Or I clarify because I worded it poorly or people inferred incorrectly.

I suppose I could use your oft used tactic...."I was kidding and not serious"   

"oft used tactic"... lol, here's an opportunity for you to do that "admit I am wrong" thing you "usually" do.

#delicious

If Henry winds up at MU, the "reasons" Scoopers come up with will be lovely. Some will be 100% Wojo. Anti-Becky. Anti-blue bloods. It was Nick. Jabari delivered him. Only because of proximity to home.

Nonetheless, if he winds up in Milwaukee I'd be pleased.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Skol Vikings

[NotBuzzWilliams]

We should rename this place DerrickWilsonScoop

[bilsu]

As I said in an earlier post you need three scorers to be a good team. Derrick could not score, but look at who the other starters were. Thomas, with the exception of maybe half dozen games could not score, Otule who could not score and Anderson who could not score. The only starter that was a threat was Jamil and half the time he played like he did not care. The whole starting team was bad and that is why saying we were playing 4 on 5 on offense was an overstatement. Derrick would of been much more effective, if he was teamed with DJO and Crowder. I am not arguing that Derrick is good, just that he is being over blamed for last year's problems.

[Texas Western]

Any word on how the NW team camp went for Ellenson ?

[Tums Festival]

Any word on how the NW team camp went for Ellenson ?

Write up from Nick Medline:

http://northwestern.scout.com/story/1415461-ellenson-exposed-to-building-nu-culture?s=179

Also wondering how his Marquette visit went.

[Jay Bee]

Write up from Nick Medline:

aka "a student at Nothwestern." Empty story. Nada in there.

[NersEllenson]

On behalf of every Scoop poster who watches both sides of the ball and delves deeper into the game than points scored or 3 point shooting %, a thousand thanks. Perfectly analyzed. You're right- that's all.

Sadly the same stalwart performances this past season weren't enough to help us enough to even make the freaking NIT.  Do you have a theory when taking a deep dive into last season, and getting 32 minutes a game of the same kind of performance from said PG as to why it didn't translate into many wins - especially none over quality opponents?

I too watch both sides of the ball and know that a team can't win with a PG and SG that limited.  But come on Lenny, we know if Dawson posted a game this past season of 20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 3 personal fouls...you would have been all over him about not being ready.  Do you not find it ironic that this type of performance is trumpeted as "great," for Derrick - all because he played solid D against Jordan Taylor??  And let's not forget Dawson had the 2nd best Points Per 100 defensive rating after Derrick this past season..I believe roughly .02 points more yielded per 100 points.

I look forward to watching both sides of the ball this year..and taking a deep dive...especially when I won't be subjected to 32 minutes a game of virtually no production from the most critical position on the basketball floor..

And by the way...JayBee falsely states Derrick got minutes because he played mistake free and good defense.  He played because Cadougan was suspended.  And as for mistake free PG play...pretty hard to make mistakes when your defender sags 5 feet off of you, you rarely ever push the ball in transition, nor penetrate in the half court (due to it being largely impossible or beneficial since your defender is already sagging off of you 5 feet.)

But nope, that wasn't the biggest problem at all last season.  Jamil and Davante's leadership skills weren't good enough, even though they were actually guarded and sometimes doubled on the basketball court..yet still led the team in scoring.

[NersEllenson]

Okay, you don't have an agenda then, you just don't know basketball.

This is rich and deliciously ironic.  Why do you think Wojo went out and got a 1 year rental at the PG position when he had an incumbent 30+ minute per game experienced senior already in the program?  Hmm.  He must not know basketball either.

[cheebs09]

Write up from Nick Medline:

http://northwestern.scout.com/story/1415461-ellenson-exposed-to-building-nu-culture?s=179

Also wondering how his Marquette visit went.

He should talk to Gabe Levin about choosing MU over Northwestern. However, I'm not really worried about Northwestern for Ellenson. I think a blue blood or UW is much more likely.

[wadesworld]

This is rich and deliciously ironic.  Why do you think Wojo went out and got a 1 year rental at the PG position when he had an incumbent 30+ minute per game experienced senior already in the program?  Hmm.  He must not know basketball either.

As much as the last poster lacks in basketball knowledge you lack in common sense and reading comprehension. Wojo went and got a PG because our PG wasn't good enough last year and the 1 year transfer can help us win basketball games. That's a pretty simple answer, someone who flaunts his basketball pedigree as much as you do should probably not have to ask such a basic question.

Nobody that I have seen has said Derrick was good enough at the PG. I thought he would be going into the season, but it became clear he wasn't. We needed an upgrade, and we got one.

What you continue to fail to understand is that Buzz's fault was not in playing Derrick, it was in not having someone better on the roster so that Derrick wasn't needed for that many minutes. Very different faults there, yet somehow you think Buzz's fault was in playing Derrick too much. Maybe Buzz did have someone better (Duane) but unfortunately he got hurt. The alternative after that injury (Dawson) was a worse option. Again, fairly simple.

Wojo went out and fixed Buzz's fault (not having a better option on the roster at the PG than Derrick) by getting a 1 year PG transfer (Carlino).

Is it really that difficult to understand? Apparently to you it is. It's been almost a year and you're still lost.

[NersEllenson]

As much as the last poster lacks in basketball knowledge you lack in common sense and reading comprehension. Wojo went and got a PG because our PG wasn't good enough last year and the 1 year transfer can help us win basketball games. That's a pretty simple answer, someone who flaunts his basketball pedigree as much as you do should probably not have to ask such a basic question.

Nobody that I have seen has said Derrick was good enough at the PG. I thought he would be going into the season, but it became clear he wasn't. We needed an upgrade, and we got one.

What you continue to fail to understand is that Buzz's fault was not in playing Derrick, it was in not having someone better on the roster so that Derrick wasn't needed for that many minutes. Very different faults there, yet somehow you think Buzz's fault was in playing Derrick too much. Maybe Buzz did have someone better (Duane) but unfortunately he got hurt. The alternative after that injury (Dawson) was a worse option. Again, fairly simple.

Wojo went out and fixed Buzz's fault (not having a better option on the roster at the PG than Derrick) by getting a 1 year PG transfer (Carlino).

Is it really that difficult to understand? Apparently to you it is. It's been almost a year and you're still lost.

You really shouldn't question people's basketball knowledge.  There was a better option than Derrick.  Just like Todd was a better option than Jake...likely JJJ too.  Just like Deonte a better option than Juan. 

Buzz was awful last year - and the record says as much.  For being picked by the Big East coaches as the pre-season favorite, to finish 9-9 and miss the NIT...says all that needs to be said about Buzz's judgement as a coach last season.

Yet you and a select handful of others continue to try to beat the ridiculous drum that Buzz didn't have a better option than Derrick... in Dawson.  I could probably find about 100 posts from the select few who share your ignorant point of view - where if Dawson had a game of 20 minutes with 0 points, 0 assists, and 3 personal fouls...they'd point to it as proof he wasn't ready nor a better option than Derrick. Yet here again, we have people championing the performance Derrick turned in at Wisconsin 3 years ago as "great."   

[wadesworld]

You really shouldn't question people's basketball knowledge.  There was a better option than Derrick.  Just like Todd was a better option than Jake...likely JJJ too.  Just like Deonte a better option than Juan.  

Buzz was awful last year - and the record says as much.  For being picked by the Big East coaches as the pre-season favorite, to finish 9-9 and miss the NIT...says all that needs to be said about Buzz's judgement as a coach last season.

Yet you and a select handful of others continue to try to beat the ridiculous drum that Buzz didn't have a better option than Derrick... in Dawson.  I could probably find about 100 posts from the select few who share your ignorant point of view - where if Dawson had a game of 20 minutes with 0 points, 0 assists, and 3 personal fouls...they'd point to it as proof he wasn't ready nor a better option than Derrick. Yet here again, we have people championing the performance Derrick turned in at Wisconsin 3 years ago as "great."    

Dawson was not a better option than Derrick.

And you can't look at a stat line in a vacuum and take nothing else into consideration.  That's your problem.  You look at 1 thing: POINTS!  Unfortunately for your arguments, there is more to basketball than that.  Not all players are asked to do the same things on the court, and not all games are going to be played the exact same way.  I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it actually is true.  Tough to wrap your head around, I know, I know.

[MU82]

As much as the last poster lacks in basketball knowledge you lack in common sense and reading comprehension. Wojo went and got a PG because our PG wasn't good enough last year and the 1 year transfer can help us win basketball games. That's a pretty simple answer, someone who flaunts his basketball pedigree as much as you do should probably not have to ask such a basic question.

Nobody that I have seen has said Derrick was good enough at the PG. I thought he would be going into the season, but it became clear he wasn't. We needed an upgrade, and we got one.

What you continue to fail to understand is that Buzz's fault was not in playing Derrick, it was in not having someone better on the roster so that Derrick wasn't needed for that many minutes. Very different faults there, yet somehow you think Buzz's fault was in playing Derrick too much. Maybe Buzz did have someone better (Duane) but unfortunately he got hurt. The alternative after that injury (Dawson) was a worse option. Again, fairly simple.

Wojo went out and fixed Buzz's fault (not having a better option on the roster at the PG than Derrick) by getting a 1 year PG transfer (Carlino).

Is it really that difficult to understand? Apparently to you it is. It's been almost a year and you're still lost.

Buzz had lots of faults, IMHO, including playing Derrick and Jake as much as he did. When something isn't working, you at least pretend to try to fix it, no? Buzz was a disaster last season; we know now he was clearly distracted.

Derrick is blamed far too much, though. It's not HIS fault he is who he is, not his fault he can't shoot or score, not his fault he played 30+ mpg. It would be like me marrying my wife and then blaming her for not being Scarlett Johansson.

Unless he quits or there is some other significant news, this officially will be my last Derrick-related post until at least Madness. It's all been said ... times a gazillion.

[LloydMooresLegs]

[silently screams; with sadness, blames Chili for starting this; looks out the window at the peaks of the Three Sisters, and remembers again how happy he is; life is good; real basketball talk in a couple of months; wishes he could have done this all in a haiku; sighs and decides to try]

Chili how could you?
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