ESPN ranks HC in college baskebtall

[Windyplayer]

Crean and Buzz both highlighted as surprises in their respective positions on the big board...

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99149/top-coaches-biggest-surprises

And yes, at the end of the article, I realized that it was Myron Metcalf and immediately scolded myself for reading it.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Well he's from Wisconsin, so he knows what he's talking about in regards to Marquette.

[Lennys Tap]

Crean and Buzz both highlighted as surprises in their respective positions on the big board...

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99149/top-coaches-biggest-surprises

And yes, at the end of the article, I realized that it was Myron Metcalf and immediately scolded myself for reading it.

Doesn't read as though Metcalf actually did the rankings. A 14 million dollar buyout for a basketball coach at blueblood Indiana for a coach ranked 8th or worse in the conference and out of the top 50 in D1? Wow. Those pictures I4 has of Fred Glass must really be shocking.

[Windyplayer]

Doesn't read as though Metcalf actually did the rankings.

True, but generating a click for anything Metcalf wrote OR re-published makes me ill.

[Lennys Tap]

True, but generating a click for anything Metcalf wrote OR re-published makes me ill.

Good point

[ChicosBailBonds]

Doesn't read as though Metcalf actually did the rankings. A 14 million dollar buyout for a basketball coach at blueblood Indiana for a coach ranked 8th or worse in the conference and out of the top 50 in D1? Wow. Those pictures I4 has of Fred Glass must really be shocking.

Translation....Metcalf (sic) horrible writer when talking about MU coaching job a few days ago.   Great writer when opining about Indiana's.   


You do realize when the extension was given...right....you being a huge IU fan and all.

[Jay Bee]

Myron's college days as BAMM - black angry Myron Medcalf - ... Interesting

http://themsureporter.com/b-a-m-m-9/

[Lennys Tap]

Translation....Metcalf (sic) horrible writer when talking about MU coaching job a few days ago.   Great writer when opining about Indiana's.   


You do realize when the extension was given...right....you being a huge IU fan and all.

Reading comprehension has always been a problem for you. Where did I say he's a great writer? My reading is that he didn't even do the ranking that leave your 14 million dollar buyout boy out of the top 50.

What's your point about when the extension was given? Was he ranked 49th then?

[HutchwasClutch]

Wardle just missed the Top 50??  I wouldn't think he would even sniff the top 50.

Cooley of Providence #41??  His only accomplishment as their coach winning a watered down league tournament?

Dawkins just missed top 50?  Same as Wardle.  The guy probably saved his job w/ their Sweet 16 run.

Crean belongs in the top 50.  I don't like him, but give the devil his due.  He's breathed life into two programs on life support when he got there.  Sure they had a down year this year after losing two guys to last year's lottery.  Prior to this year a Sweet 16 followed by a Big Ten regular season title.  He should easily be somewhere 26-50. 

Pearl isn't a top 50 coach?   Give me a break.  The guy is probably a top 20 coach.  Yes, he's somewhat of a dirtbag, but the guy wins and wins a lot at programs not exactly known for rich basketball tradition.

Terrible list.

[HutchwasClutch]

Larranaga of the U, Cronin, and Kruger, all belong ahead of Jamie Dixon.  He is way too high on the list.  I'd give Buzz the nod over Dixon.

[hoyasincebirth]

It's just as of right now. Basically top 50 coaches last year not overall because otherwise the rankings are a complete joke.

[HutchwasClutch]

It's just as of right now. Basically top 50 coaches last year not overall because otherwise the rankings are a complete joke.

You obviously didn't read the summaries under the coaches.  They talk about both short and long term results.  It's an overall, not based solely on 2013-14.  Do you honestly think Buzz would have cracked the top 50 based on MU's miserable season?  Huggins missed the tournament too, he's above Buzz.

[warriorchick]

True, but generating a click for anything Metcalf wrote OR re-published makes me ill.

Um, then why did you publish the link so that he gets dozens (if not hundreds) more clicks?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It's a very reactionary list. It claims to look at the whole body of work, which it really only does for the top 10. The rest are based on results in the last two years. Joke of a list.

[MU82]

Myron's college days as BAMM - black angry Myron Medcalf - ... Interesting

http://themsureporter.com/b-a-m-m-9/

This seems unnecessary.

Would you post the same type of tripe had a white journalist written it and called it WAMM?

[slingkong]

This seems unnecessary.

Would you post the same type of tripe had a white journalist written it and called it WAMM?

I'm sure plenty of people post Skip Bayless' stuff.

[CTWarrior]

Translation....Metcalf (sic) horrible writer when talking about MU coaching job a few days ago.   Great writer when opining about Indiana's.   


You do realize when the extension was given...right....you being a huge IU fan and all.

Myron's point was that he was surprised Crean wasn't in the top 50.  He didn't rank them.  So if he thinks Myron is an idiot and he thinks Crean is a crappy coach, Lenny can say without contradicting himself on either count that "an idiot thinks a crappy coach should be in the top 50."

[ChicosBailBonds]

Myron's point was that he was surprised Crean wasn't in the top 50.  He didn't rank them.  So if he thinks Myron is an idiot and he thinks Crean is a crappy coach, Lenny can say without contradicting himself on either count that "an idiot thinks a crappy coach should be in the top 50."

I lost faith in Myron's points about 10 articles ago, I'm still waiting for an article that can get through without at least one glaring error.  The guy is an idiot and if his last article on the MU job didn't prove that out with all the errors, I don't know what to say.

As for the rating system, I find it ironic that just last year among 250+ DI coaches they had Buzz, Crean, etc in the top 15....it was a survey done by ESPN.  ESPN also gave a certain coach their National Coach of the Year honors.  Apparently what they are saying is you can be the coach of the year one year and the next year you forgot what a dribble drive is.  It is rather humorous to watch the same organization put out so many different standards, then again it is ESPN.

[Windyplayer]

Um, then why did you publish the link so that he gets dozens (if not hundreds) more clicks?

Warriorchick, we have to keep our enemies even closer than our friends. Sometimes a click is a sacrifice worth making though not an easy one.

[GGGG]

I lost faith in Myron's points about 10 articles ago, I'm still waiting for an article that can get through without at least one glaring error.  The guy is an idiot and if his last article on the MU job didn't prove that out with all the errors, I don't know what to say.

As for the rating system, I find it ironic that just last year among 250+ DI coaches they had Buzz, Crean, etc in the top 15....it was a survey done by ESPN.  ESPN also gave a certain coach their National Coach of the Year honors.  Apparently what they are saying is you can be the coach of the year one year and the next year you forgot what a dribble drive is.  It is rather humorous to watch the same organization put out so many different standards, then again it is ESPN.

ESPN doesn't really have standards when it comes to something like this.  They just generate content for the sake of click views and discussion.  I used to rag on Bleacher Report, but really ESPN pretty much does the same thing but they just pay the authors a little more.

[breadtree]

Crean belongs in the top 50.  I don't like him, but give the devil his due.  He's breathed life into two programs on life support when he got there.  Sure they had a down year this year after losing two guys to last year's lottery.  Prior to this year a Sweet 16 followed by a Big Ten regular season title.  He should easily be somewhere 26-50. 

Breathed life into Indiana?  A team with 5 national championships?  A program that even Mike Davis took to a title game?  A blueblood program in a state that produces 10 D1 players every year?  They lost a lot of talent when Sampson left, but they were always going to come back.

Sure he won the Big Ten regular season and made a Sweet 16, but he did it with 2 lottery picks, 2 seniors that had been 4* recruits, and a 5* freshman.  This year he took a team with a 5* sophomore, a lottery pick freshman, 2 other 4* freshmen, and 2 other 4* sophomores and didn't make the NIT.

He's a mediocre coach who took a smart gamble on Dwyane Wade and has done basically nothing else. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Breathed life into Indiana?  A team with 5 national championships?  A program that even Mike Davis took to a title game?  A blueblood program in a state that produces 10 D1 players every year?  They lost a lot of talent when Sampson left, but they were always going to come back.

Sure he won the Big Ten regular season and made a Sweet 16, but he did it with 2 lottery picks, 2 seniors that had been 4* recruits, and a 5* freshman.  This year he took a team with a 5* sophomore, a lottery pick freshman, 2 other 4* freshmen, and 2 other 4* sophomores and didn't make the NIT.

He's a mediocre coach who took a smart gamble on Dwyane Wade and has done basically nothing else. 

A team that hadn't won the Big Ten title in over 20 years.  Mike Davis took Bob Knight's recruits to a national title game.  The team he inherited had one player that played less than 40 minutes for the season the year prior and they were facing NCAA probation...you guys should understand that, since UW-madison has been on probation the 9th most in NCAA history as an athletic program.


Your comments on Buckyville about MU, as stupid as they are, don't give you a lot of credit here. 

What exactly are they doing here, crossing their swords?   

[Lennys Tap]

Myron's point was that he was surprised Crean wasn't in the top 50.  He didn't rank them.  So if he thinks Myron is an idiot and he thinks Crean is a crappy coach, Lenny can say without contradicting himself on either count that "an idiot thinks a crappy coach should be in the top 50."

Thanks, Warrior. Comprehension is an ongoing problem for Chico.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99149/top-coaches-biggest-surprises?ex_cid=espnapi_public


Tom Crean (unranked): Well, the Indiana coach failed to crack the top 50. And that's surprising -- maybe. Under Crean, Indiana has reached the Sweet 16 in two of the past three years and won the Big Ten regular-season crown in 2012-13. He's also responsible for restoring a program that fell short of a lofty legacy as it endured the post-Kelvin Sampson era sanctions. All of that after he led Marquette to the Final Four in 2003. That should count for something. But perception matters, and the perception that Crean has failed to alter is one that sees him as more of a recruiter than an X's and O's guy. A 4-15 record overall against Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan, one of the game's great X's and O's coaches, only magnifies that notion. Crean had two future top-five NBA draft picks in 2012-13, but he couldn't advance beyond the Sweet 16 with Victor Oladipo and Cody Zeller, even though that Hoosiers squad spent a chunk of the season with the No. 1 slot. It exited the Big Dance after shooting 33.3 percent and committing 18 turnovers against Syracuse in the Sweet 16. Last season, Indiana went 7-11 in the Big Ten and failed to reach the NCAA tourney. Yes, Crean had a lot of inexperienced players on that team, but that shouldn't happen when one of the league's top athletes (Yogi Ferrell) and a future lottery pick (Noah Vonleh) anchor your roster. Still, Steve Alford has two Sweet 16 appearance in his entire career, and just one since 1999. And Fran McCaffery finally turned Iowa into an NCAA tourney team last season. Not sure how those guys are ranked in the 30s and Crean can't even crack the top 50. It's interesting.

Brock Williams (No. 38): Marquette entered last season as the favorite to win the title in the (new) Big East's first season. The Golden Eagles fell short of those expectations when they finished sixth and missed the NCAA tournament. Not the best regular season for Williams, who left to fill Virginia Tech's opening a few weeks ago, but Marquette was coming off a shared league title in a much tougher version of the conference. The Golden Eagles split that 2012-13 crown with a Louisville team that won the national championship that season and a Georgetown team that looked like a Final Four squad before Dunk City ruined those plans in the opening round. Marquette made five consecutive NCAA tourney appearances (2009-2013) under Williams. That run included two Sweet 16 appearances and an Elite Eight run in 2013. Nothing against Colorado's Tad Boyle (No. 34) and Nebraska's Tim Miles (No. 32) -- both good coaches -- but they can't match that. Seems too low for Williams.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Your source is behind on the times

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44203.0