Blue article from ESPN

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The risk in leaving early is a worn bus in West Texas trying to make a living on what seems like beer money.

The article paints a seemingly pretty bleak picture, but it sounds like the money isn't so bad. That $30,000 contract in the NBA is already about what my dad used to make when I was a kid. Add whatever he makes from those other teams he played for, take the fact that the teams probably have to cover certain living expenses on the road like hotels, food allowance, maybe cell phone bills, etc., and a person could easily live pretty comfortably. 3 months off a year while making an upper middle-class living playing a game you enjoy sounds like a dream job to me. Especially at 21/22 years old. Now, if you have to spend $600 on shoes and drop $5,000 when you go out to the club, then that's not going to last too long.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Sorry, that's the deal.  I drive a used pickup truck.  I've had pick up trucks off and on for the last 20 years.  Could I be driving something a little nicer, higher end...sure.  I just don't.   I was equating it to the $600 shoes Vander purchased.  I don't see the point in it.  Don't need a high end car, $600 sneakers, $3000 TV, $2000 suit, etc.  Doesn't mean I'm riding around in a Ford Festiva with a $79 suit, either, it's just the high end extremes I don't get.  I'd prefer to be somewhere down the middle.

One of the big reasons I want out of California. The value for the cost is extremely overrated, beyond overrated....at least for me.  If others want to pay a premium for it, go for it, but I don't get it.

I got news for you, $600 is not a lot for shoes. You want high end? Go watch shopping. Get shoes custom made, etc. That's the high end.

Every normal person makes some purchases when they get out of school. Not every purchase is going to be 100% practical. It happens. It's ok.

Let's not get too uptight about it, hey? I think you're reaching.

Also, not everything has to relate back to how you choose to live your life.

[Class71]

You said he "can't put the ball in the hole."  Inaccurate statement.

In your opinion. We are talking about NBA shooting guard talent. That is his competition. He does not have the height or strength to compensate so he needs to be a lights out shooter. Sad but true. I hope for the best for him. I think if he develops an efficient three point shoot he will get his chance.

If you don't agree that is fine but you still need to explain why he is not in the NBA. If it is not 3 point shooting then where does he need to improve?

[jesmu84]

In your opinion. We are talking about NBA shooting guard talent. That is his competition. He does not have the height or strength to compensate so he needs to be a lights out shooter. Sad but true. I hope for the best for him. I think if he develops an efficient three point shoot he will get his chance.

If you don't agree that is fine but you still need to explain why he is not in the NBA. If it is not 3 point shooting then where does he need to improve?

Consistency. Like the article said. Consistency across his entire game.

[keefe]

Turner's isn't gone.  I have reservations for fish fry there tomorrow.

Really? We had our rehearsal dinner there many years ago. I thought I read here that it had closed. Great fish fry. No such animal in Seattle. Damn shame.

[Silkk the Shaka]

I'm glad to entertain.  Last week you said I wasn't funny at all because I hurt your liberal feelings.  Today, I'm knocking you out of the chair with laughter.

Talent.

Think of the Seinfeld line: "And that offends you as a Jew?" "No! It offends me as a comedian!" That directly applies to your failed attempts at actual humor. In an ironic twist, when you're trying to be dead serious, you're unintentionally hysterical. Entertaining indeed!

[Class71]

I got news for you, $600 is not a lot for shoes. You want high end? Go watch shopping. Get shoes custom made, etc. That's the high end.

Every normal person makes some purchases when they get out of school. Not every purchase is going to be 100% practical. It happens. It's ok.

Let's not get too uptight about it, hey? I think you're reaching.

Also, not everything has to relate back to how you choose to live your life.

Whether or not $600 are expensive or not is relative to income. Thought I read D league players make $3000/month. $600 is 20% of the monthly income. Might be a tad high given the income? Sure there are times to splurge but if you want to create some wealth for yourself/family, nothing is better than saving early due to compound interest or reinvestment. Run the numbers. Pee it away early on and wealth will not be created for you or your family. Many millionaires are so because of their early saving habits, not huge incomes. Hard to believe but it is an accurate statement.

[Class71]

Consistency. Like the article said. Consistency across his entire game.

I guess I am more optimistic for him. I feel he is pretty solid in other aspects of his game but you don't that is fine.

[Sir Lawrence]

My opinion is Eddie's does fish better than steak.

The ahi tuna there is fantastic.

[Sir Lawrence]

Taking warriorchick jr. to Jackson Grill this weekend to celebrate her graduation.  Love that place.

Excellent choice. 

Keefe, Turners was pretty much closed for about a year and a half.  RC Schmidt rescued it.
He owns Water Street Brewery, and a host of other establishments.

[MUfan12]

Interesting, I had not heard his mother was against him leaving.  Was this known last year?

Does anyone know what Brent advised him to do?

Buzz told him what the advisory committee said. That Vander would be late second round or undrafted.

Vander let the wrong people get in his ear.

[keefe]

Excellent choice. 

Keefe, Turners was pretty much closed for about a year and a half.  RC Schmidt rescued it.
He owns Water Street Brewery, and a host of other establishments.

Thanks, Sir. Hopefully they kept the ambiance and quality of food. As far as I know, Milwaukee is the only place I have found with the Friday Fish Fry tradition which is likely due to the predominant Catholic population. That it survived Vatican II makes it all the more interesting.

The substitution of fish for meat is curious but based on Aquinas' Summa Theologica where he outlined meat as being from animals that breath air and walk on the earth. I recall reading that the behavioral definition of meat allows for alligators, crocodiles, and beavers to be substituted for meat. Personally, I have eaten gator and beaver but never croc. Of the two I much prefer eating beaver as gator can be gamey.

[keefe]

no one can touch the beef at McBob's

we will never return to Carnevour after being seated at the table in front of the bathrooms on our 1st visit, I had to scoot my chair up to the table everytime a guy had to use the pisser, the greedy bastards just had to squeeze another 2-top into that place  

I would not hesitate for one military second before vetoing that table. I don't know this restaurant but anyplace that thinks seating near the toilets and kitchen is appropriate clearly cares little for their food.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Think of the Seinfeld line: "And that offends you as a Jew?" "No! It offends me as a comedian!" That directly applies to your failed attempts at actual humor. In an ironic twist, when you're trying to be dead serious, you're unintentionally hysterical. Entertaining indeed!

Seinfeld?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I got news for you, $600 is not a lot for shoes. You want high end? Go watch shopping. Get shoes custom made, etc. That's the high end.

Every normal person makes some purchases when they get out of school. Not every purchase is going to be 100% practical. It happens. It's ok.

Let's not get too uptight about it, hey? I think you're reaching.

Also, not everything has to relate back to how you choose to live your life.

I suspect most people think $600 is on the high end.  Certainly appears that Mrs. Blue felt that way, judging by the reaction of people on this board, I'd say the same thing.  One can always go higher, and yes one can spend a ton of money on watches, customer shoes, or whatever.

I believe I said to each their own, which is my way of saying do what you want.  Not uptight at all, you're reaching.  People can do what they want.  C'est la vie.   I just don't relate to it, but to each their own.  It was in the story, I commented on it. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

Seinfeld?

More of a Mad About You/Friends/Two and a Half Men guy I take it?

[MU82]

Consistency. Like the article said. Consistency across his entire game.

When you are 6-3 and skinny, you had better be able to hit 3-pointers or you had better have great point-guard skills. Vander can't do the former and lacks the latter. He's still young and still can improve, but at this point he's not really very close to having NBA talent.

[ChicosBailBonds]

More of a Mad About You/Friends/Two and a Half Men guy I take it?

https://www.youtube.com/v/UBztjzDr0fM

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Whether or not $600 are expensive or not is relative to income. Thought I read D league players make $3000/month. $600 is 20% of the monthly income. Might be a tad high given the income? Sure there are times to splurge but if you want to create some wealth for yourself/family, nothing is better than saving early due to compound interest or reinvestment. Run the numbers. Pee it away early on and wealth will not be created for you or your family. Many millionaires are so because of their early saving habits, not huge incomes. Hard to believe but it is an accurate statement.

Im not vander's accountant, but I think he made 30K with the Celts, and collected some nice checks in Europe as well.

Plus, these guys are regularly handed envelops full of cash (per diem).

Just to be clear, I'm not saying buying $600 worth of sneakers is a good idea, I just don't know if middle aged white guys need to get so uptight about it.

[Silkk the Shaka]

https://www.youtube.com/v/UBztjzDr0fM

Ouch, dude. Learn to quit when you're behind.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Im not vander's accountant, but I think he made 30K with the Celts, and collected some nice checks in Europe as well.

Plus, these guys are regularly handed envelops full of cash (per diem).

Just to be clear, I'm not saying buying $600 worth of sneakers is a good idea, I just don't know if middle aged white guys need to get so uptight about it.

Seriously. Vander hasn't even turned 22 yet. I can think of a LOT dumber things I would have spent money on at that age if I had the money. But I didn't. Because I was a senior at MU, not a professional basketball player. Vander, by default, made WAY more than anyone else graduating this weekend. And he played for the Celtics for a stint. So he bought a $600 pair of sneakers with one of his checks. WHO CARES??

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I suspect most people think $600 is on the high end.  Certainly appears that Mrs. Blue felt that way, judging by the reaction of people on this board, I'd say the same thing.  One can always go higher, and yes one can spend a ton of money on watches, customer shoes, or whatever.

I believe I said to each their own, which is my way of saying do what you want.  Not uptight at all, you're reaching.  People can do what they want.  C'est la vie.   I just don't relate to it, but to each their own.  It was in the story, I commented on it. 

Well, most people in Africa would think that your truck is high end. So what?

You called his purchase "high end" and "extreme". Your exact words.

$600 for shoes is neither of those.

That's it.

PS This doesn't mean I think $600 for shoes is a good idea, but I think we can all save some of the middle-aged guy righteousness about where a young, PROFESSIONAL should spend $600.

[keefe]

Well, most people in Africa would think that your truck is high end. So what?

You called his purchase "high end" and "extreme". Your exact words.

$600 for shoes is neither of those.

That's it.

PS This doesn't mean I think $600 for shoes is a good idea, but I think we can all save some of the middle-aged guy righteousness about where a young, PROFESSIONAL should spend $600.

I wouldn't quibble about the shoes but I would ask how he could justify dropping $5000 in a club just to impress a Chiquita? Now that is profoundly bone headed decision making. 

[UticaBusBarn]

in 27 development league games, Blue's averages were close to his last year as a Warrior.

He shot .393 from the field, made .327 of his 3's, .763 on free throws, with 2.9 assists and 2.33 turn-overs. He averaged 16.8 points per game.

[BCHoopster]

How much money you think Vander made last year?