Noskowiak re-commits to Marquette

[Dawson Rental]

Probably not, because it would have been Vander in the spotlight, no one would have been looking at Jamil. 

Yeah, I guess that's why Jamil disappeared at the end of the Davidson game.

[GGGG]

Jamil as a junior was missing in action just like this year until March. He played hard in NCAA tournament games, but was not motivated in the regualr season games. Same thing as a sophomore.

I think that is a completely wrong answer.  I don't think Jamil dogged it one bit.  Jamil has never been the player we expected him to be....peaked in high school.

[Dawson Rental]

Couple points - As posted, Jamil improved in Points, Assists, Rebounds over his junior season...but really, what do you want from the guy when he was consistently rolled out with this lineup:

Derrick, Jake, Juan, Chris

You are an opposing coach - who are you trying to take away?  Jamil having to play with the worst starting and max minute backcourt in the last 15 years of MU basketball resulted in Jamil not taking the huge step up many thought...

Hell he went to Portsmouth tourney and scored 18...named to tourney team, with Gardner being named MVP.  So ironic they were able to play at a high level when playing with a capable backcourt.

So - getting back to the original point - it seems you're saying that Jamil was affected by the loss of Vander.

[buckchuckler]

Yeah, I guess that's why Jamil disappeared at the end of the Davidson game.

OK dude, so what's your point?  He is better when playing with better players?  Thanks for breaking that ground. 
He posted career bests in points, boards and assists.  To say he wasn't nearly the player is idiotic.  He was better.  Would he have performed better with Vander on the team?  Probably, he wouldn't have been the focus for the defense.  Every single player on the team would have been better with Vander to draw the defense, create opportunities and score buckets. 

[muvanwilder]

Scoop stats says Jamil was SOG 2 times this season. One less than last season

[savwa]

Jamil isn't comfortable being "the guy" is what we learned this past season. I think everyone expected JW to step into that  Lazar/JB/Jae role and it just didn't happen. Buzz could have helped by playing the young kids more over Jake and Derrick but Jamil doesn't seem to flip the switch on every time. All that said, I think Jamil could make an NBA roster because he has the NBA body and a good skillset. When JW is playing for a contract to play the game he loves for a living the switch will be turned on.

[GGGG]

Jamil isn't comfortable being "the guy" is what we learned this past season. I think everyone expected JW to step into that  Lazar/JB/Jae role and it just didn't happen. Buzz could have helped by playing the young kids more over Jake and Derrick but Jamil doesn't seem to flip the switch on every time. All that said, I think Jamil could make an NBA roster because he has the NBA body and a good skillset. When JW is playing for a contract to play the game he loves for a living the switch will be turned on.

What "good skillset" does Jamil have?

[wadesworld]

I don't buy that assessment at all of Jamil.  Never saw him dogging it.  Say what you want about Buzz, but he demanded effort and passion from his players.  Jamil is a finesse player, nothing more than that. 

I think Jamil needed to find his "onions" as Raftery likes to say.  Case in point- end of double OT against St. John's, senior day, MU down a point, ball is in Jamil's hands with under 10 seconds and he passes to Derrick Wilson for another clank off the rim.  No way should he have given up that ball in that situation. 

I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means in basketball/when Raftery uses it.  When someone cuts an onion, or you smell raw onions up close, sometimes it causes your eyes to tear up.  In basketball, a high arching shot that goes in is called a "teardrop."  So when someone hits a high arching runner, Raftery calls it "onions!" because it is a "teardrop."  It has nothing to do with attitude or toughness.

[Lighthouse 84]

I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means in basketball/when Raftery uses it.  When someone cuts an onion, or you smell raw onions up close, sometimes it causes your eyes to tear up.  In basketball, a high arching shot that goes in is called a "teardrop."  So when someone hits a high arching runner, Raftery calls it "onions!" because it is a "teardrop."  It has nothing to do with attitude or toughness.

I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means  in basketball/when Raftery uses it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Ian-Eagle-shares-the-origin-story-of-Bill-Rafter?urn=ncaab,133366

[HutchwasClutch]

I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means in basketball/when Raftery uses it.  When someone cuts an onion, or you smell raw onions up close, sometimes it causes your eyes to tear up.  In basketball, a high arching shot that goes in is called a "teardrop."  So when someone hits a high arching runner, Raftery calls it "onions!" because it is a "teardrop."  It has nothing to do with attitude or toughness.

I don't mind being told when I'm wrong when that person knows what they're talking about, which is clearly not the case with you.  I understood it exactly how the Ian Eagle Yahoo link explained it and referenced it in the right context. 

[Boone]

You're exactly right, Hutch!

[Dawson Rental]

OK dude, so what's your point?  He is better when playing with better players?  Thanks for breaking that ground. 
He posted career bests in points, boards and assists.  To say he wasn't nearly the player is idiotic.  He was better.  Would he have performed better with Vander on the team?  Probably, he wouldn't have been the focus for the defense.  Every single player on the team would have been better with Vander to draw the defense, create opportunities and score buckets. 

Hey, if you want to schooled any further, you gonna have to pay tuition.

[Anti-Dentite]

I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means in basketball/when Raftery uses it.  When someone cuts an onion, or you smell raw onions up close, sometimes it causes your eyes to tear up.  In basketball, a high arching shot that goes in is called a "teardrop."  So when someone hits a high arching runner, Raftery calls it "onions!" because it is a "teardrop."  It has nothing to do with attitude or toughness.

It gotta tell you, I'd more than tear up if someone was cuttin' on me onions!

[NersEllenson]

I don't mind being told when I'm wrong when that person knows what they're talking about, which is clearly not the case with you.  I understood it exactly how the Ian Eagle Yahoo link explained it and referenced it in the right context. 

Nothing to take personally HutchwasClutch - it's par for the course for wadesworld to be off point.  Though I must say his definition of "onions" was some great deductive reasoning and quite entertaining to read.

[SuddenSam]

Must have missed something, was it Jamil who got Noskowiak to recommit?

[NersEllenson]

So - getting back to the original point - it seems you're saying that Jamil was affected by the loss of Vander.

Jamil...Davante...and the whole team were affected more by the loss of Junior Cadougan than Vander Blue.  Yes, losing Blue hurt, yet Todd Mayo easily could have replaced Blue's stats if given 33 minutes a night.  If Blue were playing alongside Derrick Wilson this past season, he wouldn't have been nearly the player he was as a Junior...perhaps part of that factored into his decision to leave early - that playing alongside a very challenged offensive PG as a senior wasn't going to make the game easier for him.  Blue's driving lanes would have been shut off, as would his mid-range pull up in many cases with Derrick's defender generally always helping off of Derrick.

I just don't think some of you realize how incredibly inept our combined backcourt of Derrick and Jake being paired together was.  One guy can't make a 3 pt shot, and the other guy, your shooting guard, can't make a 2 point.  Bad combo and thats on Buzz for putting them both in that position.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I just don't think some of you realize how incredibly inept our combined backcourt of Derrick and Jake being paired together was.  One guy can't make a 3 pt shot, and the other guy, your shooting guard, can't make a 2 point.  Bad combo and thats on Buzz for putting them both in that position.

Well now that you put it this way I understand now -- you are right -- please stop.

[buckchuckler]

 

[mileskishnish72]

I've seen a couple of references to Nick being a "Polish" kid, but it my little burg in MA is any guide, it's probably Slovak. That might not seem like a big difference, but it's akin to an Easterner confusing Wisconsin residents with the FIB's.

[keefe]

I've seen a couple of references to Nick being a "Polish" kid, but it my little burg in MA is any guide, it's probably Slovak. That might not seem like a big difference, but it's akin to an Easterner confusing Wisconsin residents with the FIB's.

"Japanese, Chinese...what's the difference? They all look alike..."

"All blacks look alike..."

"Indian, Arab? They all wear towels on their head..."

"Polish, Russian? It's all the same..."

[wadesworld]

I don't mind being told when I'm wrong when that person knows what they're talking about, which is clearly not the case with you.  I understood it exactly how the Ian Eagle Yahoo link explained it and referenced it in the right context.  

Haha my bad.  I always thought he said it when a player made a teardrop and never looked up the meaning of it.

Nothing to take personally HutchwasClutch - it's par for the course for wadesworld to be off point.  Though I must say his definition of "onions" was some great deductive reasoning and quite entertaining to read.

Hilarious.  I got a term used by a color commentator wrong that has nothing to do with a basketball skill.  So the guy who thinks a player can only develop by getting playing time in games thinks he knows everything.  That's awesome.

[jesmu84]

Jamil...Davante...and the whole team were affected more by the loss of Junior Cadougan than Vander Blue.  Yes, losing Blue hurt, yet Todd Mayo easily could have replaced Blue's stats if given 33 minutes a night.  If Blue were playing alongside Derrick Wilson this past season, he wouldn't have been nearly the player he was as a Junior...perhaps part of that factored into his decision to leave early - that playing alongside a very challenged offensive PG as a senior wasn't going to make the game easier for him.  Blue's driving lanes would have been shut off, as would his mid-range pull up in many cases with Derrick's defender generally always helping off of Derrick.

I just don't think some of you realize how incredibly inept our combined backcourt of Derrick and Jake being paired together was.  One guy can't make a 3 pt shot, and the other guy, your shooting guard, can't make a 2 point.  Bad combo and thats on Buzz for putting them both in that position.

Ners, I love that you have your opinions and try like hell to get people to buy in - and I'm 100% genuinely serious about that. I like discussing this and other topics. It's a pleasure debating and you very, very rarely get personal or start attacking - a pleasant change from other posters.

Having said that... you've totally jumped the shark with that comment.

[AZWarrior]

I've seen a couple of references to Nick being a "Polish" kid, but it my little burg in MA is any guide, it's probably Slovak. That might not seem like a big difference, but it's akin to an Easterner confusing Wisconsin residents with the FIB's.

Yes.  Having spent significant time living in both IL and WI, I can speak of the intense discomfort I've experienced when being thought of as a Cheese Head or a FIB.  Oh, wait.....

[NersEllenson]

Haha my bad.  I always thought he said it when a player made a teardrop and never looked up the meaning of it.

Hilarious.  I got a term used by a color commentator wrong that has nothing to do with a basketball skill.  So the guy who thinks a player can only develop by getting playing time in games thinks he knows everything.  That's awesome.

Ahh no Wades....the debate was whether a guy gets better DURING the season in practice or in games...guys don't do much skill development in the season, and rarely is their 5-5 up and down play.  A lot of shell work in the halfcourt and implementation of scouting report.  For a freshman, it is invaluable for them to get game experience and play in game situations, that cannot be replicated in practice.

Guys improve the most during the entire offseason...NOT during practice in the season. 

[MU82]

Jamil's statistical improvement is a perfect case of numbers being incredibly deceptive.

He had the talent to be the next star forward at Marquette but didn't come close. Was he too nice too often, as some claim? Maybe, I don't know him. Did he not have the personality to be a take-charge guy very often? Perhaps, I don't know him. Did he have any help from his backcourt? Precious little. Did he go into the tank or fail to hustle? No, that is not what anybody means by saying he disappeared for long stretches. It just means he often had 5 or 8 or 10-minute stretches during which he didn't even attempt a shot, didn't assert himself.

To me, Jamil was the biggest disappointment last season because he didn't take the next step, didn't become the leader, didn't come anywhere near meeting expectations or realizing his potential.

I don't need numbers because I saw every game, but for those who insist upon numbers, here's what Jamil did over the last 5 games -- when the Warriors were desperately trying to keep slim NCAA (and NIT) hopes alive:

41 points (8.2 ppg), 14-42 from the field (.333 FG pct), 8-13 from the foul line (.615 FT pct), 11 turnovers.

Again, he didn't have much help. We all know that. But here were Gardner's numbers over those last five games: 15.8 ppg on .556 from the field and .829 from the line. And Davante was even more dependent on others getting him the basketball.