Hiroshima?

[Goose]

TAMU Eadgle

Exactly correct on the JUCO situation and Jae's role in the process. The ovelooking of his academic's was the root of the problem. His academic situation and lack of progress caused issues and they should have.

Do you have full story on why McKay actually left? I have heard several different reasons and still confused on his quick trigger departure.

[wadesworld]

TAMU Eadgle

Exactly correct on the JUCO situation and Jae's role in the process. The ovelooking of his academic's was the root of the problem. His academic situation and lack of progress caused issues and they should have.

Do you have full story on why McKay actually left? I have heard several different reasons and still confused on his quick trigger departure.

McKay heard he wasn't going to get the minutes he was hoping for and might play a position he didn't want to. Simple as that.

[Tugg Speedman]

McKay heard he wasn't going to get the minutes he was hoping for and might play a position he didn't want to. Simple as that.

Does that mean McKay thinks someone lied to him?  Or, was McKay not through enough to ask these questions (what position will he play and how many minutes will he get) before he arrived on campus?

[wadesworld]

Does that mean McKay thinks someone lied to him?  Or, was McKay not through enough to ask these questions (what position will he play and how many minutes will he get) before he arrived on campus?

No idea. I do know he wasn't the only one that was unhappy with what he heard. But he was the only one to transfer.

[Tugg Speedman]

No idea. I do know he wasn't the only one that was unhappy with what he heard. But he was the only one to transfer.

I guess I should have been more specific ... I doubt McKay forgot to ask.  I'll guess the answers he got did not jive with what he was told after he was on campus and official practice began.  Remember, he left a week after midnight madness in October, a week after official practice began.

[Goose]

Wadesworld

Not sure as simple as that, but you sound to be in the know. I had heard other rumblings that played a role in the transfer. Since you are confident in departure it is good enough for me.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

I know from experience that schools give out 5 year schollies. Why is that different for basketball, MU? wouldn't a, say, 3year scholarship for a JUCO be kosher?

[bilsu]

I think for this board Hiroshima is realizing that going forward Dayton has the better program. Next year Dayton will likely pass us up in all-time wins and may again be in tournament while MU is not.

[chapman]

I know from experience that schools give out 5 year schollies. Why is that different for basketball, MU? wouldn't a, say, 3year scholarship for a JUCO be kosher?

We had JUCO players stay an extra year to graduate...Blackledge, I think Lott.  Assuming they were given some sort of non-basketball scholarship.  I'd imagine the feeling is that they are exceptions and most are not going to make getting their education and graduating the priority when their eligibility runs out vs. finding an overseas contract right away.

[Tugg Speedman]

I think for this board Hiroshima is realizing that going forward Dayton has the better program. Next year Dayton will likely pass us up in all-time wins and may again be in tournament while MU is not.

When did Dayton become the benchmark?  If they are, I wonder if Indiana, Georgetown, Syracuse, Ohio State and Stanford feel the same way?  They should according to this logic.

[keefe]

TAMU Eadgle

Exactly correct on the JUCO situation and Jae's role in the process. The ovelooking of his academic's was the root of the problem. His academic situation and lack of progress caused issues and they should have.

Do you have full story on why McKay actually left? I have heard several different reasons and still confused on his quick trigger departure.

Goose

Spot on. The reality is Crowder went to an unaccredited JC. MU had no business admitting anyone from that school.

Fact is, everyone pays lip service to the concept of student-athletes but admissions are for the latter and not the former. Having said which, the vast majority of kids on DI ships use the opportunity to improve their lives through the classroom.

Marquette letting in Crowder signaled that standards were flexible (which means you no longer have standards.) The cynicism of that move made clear the complexion of Marquette athletics had changed. And even after a series of off-court issues Bert still wanted to take risk with character-challenged recruits.

Hubris and cluelessness are often bedfellows. We should be glad to be rid of Bert.  

[Silkk the Shaka]

Don't know about anyone else, but allowing Wade and Crowder to matriculate might be the best decision and second best decision the admissions department has made in the last 25 years or so in my opinion. Carry on.

[keefe]

Don't know about anyone else, but allowing Wade and Crowder to matriculate might be the best decision and second best decision the admissions department has made in the last 25 years or so in my opinion. Carry on.

It's not about the specific players but the policy implications of such decisions. Admitting Crowder signaled a departure from the academic integrity Marquette had theretofore insisted upon. At the end of the day Marquette is a University which has a specific mission.

As for specifics, the last I checked neither was graduated from Marquette. Like Bill Gates, they are college drop outs who will not struggle to make ends meet.

[wadesworld]

Wadesworld

Not sure as simple as that, but you sound to be in the know. I had heard other rumblings that played a role in the transfer. Since you are confident in departure it is good enough for me.

I am very confident in the information I was given on this one.

[The Process]

I think for this board Hiroshima is realizing that going forward Dayton has the better program.

Please step out of the mid-90s Cavalier.

[keefe]

I am very confident in the information I was given on this one.

Ganzer?

[wadesworld]

Ganzer?

Done deal

[GGGG]

Goose

Spot on. The reality is Crowder went to an unaccredited JC. MU had no business admitting anyone from that school.

He originally went to a non-accredited JUCO for one year.  But he transferred to an accredited JUCO (Howard), earned his associates degree, and met the minimum standards for participation per the NCAA.

But the issues with JUCOs is that they oftentimes will major in something like physical education.  But since Marquette doesn't have a PE major, those credits don't count toward any sort of major.  So there is no conceivable way that they can earn a degree from Marquette in a reasonable time.

The difference with McKay is that he committed early, and Marquette could help him craft a academic program at Indian Hills that would more easily transfer.  So yeah, Marquette cracked down on JUCOs, but I think the reasons were completely understandable.

[Gato78]

I thought it was Pipines and vanVooren.

Ganzer?

[keefe]

He originally went to a non-accredited JUCO for one year.  But he transferred to an accredited JUCO (Howard), earned his associates degree, and met the minimum standards for participation per the NCAA.

But the issues with JUCOs is that they oftentimes will major in something like physical education.  But since Marquette doesn't have a PE major, those credits don't count toward any sort of major.  So there is no conceivable way that they can earn a degree from Marquette in a reasonable time.

The difference with McKay is that he committed early, and Marquette could help him craft a academic program at Indian Hills that would more easily transfer.  So yeah, Marquette cracked down on JUCOs, but I think the reasons were completely understandable.

[bilsu]

When did Dayton become the benchmark?  If they are, I wonder if Indiana, Georgetown, Syracuse, Ohio State and Stanford feel the same way?  They should according to this logic.

We are talking about MU's Hiroshima. I have no idea if posters on their boards down grade Dayton as much as posters do here.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He originally went to a non-accredited JUCO for one year.  But he transferred to an accredited JUCO (Howard), earned his associates degree, and met the minimum standards for participation per the NCAA.

But the issues with JUCOs is that they oftentimes will major in something like physical education.  But since Marquette doesn't have a PE major, those credits don't count toward any sort of major.  So there is no conceivable way that they can earn a degree from Marquette in a reasonable time.

The difference with McKay is that he committed early, and Marquette could help him craft a academic program at Indian Hills that would more easily transfer.  So yeah, Marquette cracked down on JUCOs, but I think the reasons were completely understandable.

Welcome back Sultan

[RushmoreAcademy]

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[Coleman]

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[mu-rara]

Welcome back Sultan

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