Marial Shayok

[WadeATKBurton]

Is he a top 100? If so this is a big deal

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Is he a top 100? If so this is a big deal

No but being a top 100 recruit shouldnt be your baseline. Just look at Davante, Jimmy, DJO and Jae.

[Marquette_g]

So you would rather give out a scholarship just to do it, than save it for the next year when you could land better players? Wojo has a totally different philosophy than Brent and I would be happy to bank two open scholarships. This gives Wojo a chance to get his type of player in here quicker and could make for a faster transition. There are very few recruits that are unsigned in 2014 and even fewer that are worth signing. It would be nice to get a big man in here for a year, but I think Shayok leaving is a blessing for us. Wouldn't be heartbroken if Pierce left either. But Hill...get him locked back up ASAP!!

Don't forget how far behind Wojo is.  It isn't as though these "better players" are just sitting out there undiscovered.  They have been recruited by other schools for at least the last year and built relationships with coaches, whereas Wojo is coming in fresh.  That isn't to say he can't make inroads, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that these better players are going to come.  His first real recruiting class for MU is going to be the class of 2016.  Our best hope for impact players early in his tenure outside of current recruits are going to be JUCOs and transfers because they are entering the market green to everyone.

[MU82]

Really did not need another 6'6" guard/forward right now, like to see a big for next year, maybe another grad student for a year.  Somebody with a little strength.  Is Harris still in the picture
or not?  Rather have him.

Wojo cooled on him.

Seriously, though, you just accept and move on. That's the way it works.

In other words ...

Next!

[MU82]

Is he a top 100? If so this is a big deal

College basketball's wastebasket is filled with former Top 100s who turned out to be garbage.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Best of luck Super Marial

[esotericmindguy]

Another 6'6 switchable that can't shoot. Looks like the same player as Cohen to me. Wish him well. Have to be able to shoot in CBB, hopefully Wojo recruits that way. MU was the only team to win a S16 game shooting under 30% from 3. Recruit a PG who can score, wings that can shoot and bigs that can rebound.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Don't forget how far behind Wojo is.  It isn't as though these "better players" are just sitting out there undiscovered.  They have been recruited by other schools for at least the last year and built relationships with coaches, whereas Wojo is coming in fresh.  That isn't to say he can't make inroads, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that these better players are going to come.  His first real recruiting class for MU is going to be the class of 2016.  Our best hope for impact players early in his tenure outside of current recruits are going to be JUCOs and transfers because they are entering the market green to everyone.

Being the type of guy that Wojo is, classy and respectable- just as his mentor Coach K, it's highly improbable that he "steals" any people that he started to recruit at Duke.  I'm sure his number 1 priority is to cement in the incoming freshman and those who have already shown an interest in MU.  This would make sense anyways, as the work has already been done in getting them to come here.  Why waste all the effort and start over?  Otherwise, you are correct in that Wojo will most likely have to start from scratch - or perhaps leverage a relationship that one of his assistant's has.  

[The Equalizer]

So you would rather give out a scholarship just to do it, than save it for the next year when you could land better players?

Absolutely.  There is no downside, and plenty of upside.

The upside is that if the kid blows up, he'll be a solid, four-year contributor.
The upside is that if you are hampered with injuries, you still have some bench depth.
The upside is that you have enough players to hold scrimmages, even if you're down a player or two becuase of illness, injury, etc.
The only downside is that the player doesn't show potential, he'll transfer at year's end.

Of course, that means you can still get that better player next year.

And, please, nobody moralize on how unfair this is. Both players and coaches know this arragement going into the season.  Player at least gets a shot at playing for Marquette instead of settling for something like UWM or Loyola. Scholarships are one-year deals.  You have to perform to keep it.  BTW, this is the same for any other student--don't maintain your grades, you lose an academic scholarship as well.

If you "bank" the scholarship, the only thing that is 100% guaranteed is that you'll get absolutely zero production from that scholarship for the year.  No depth in case of injury.  No player to use in practice scrimmages.  No possiblity that the player develops into a solid performer.  

I'll take a player over an empty seat any day.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Nope, not taking their minutes either way.  Shayok wasn't worth keeping, Pierce can go either way.  Wojo bats 1.000 in my book with a Hill retention.


There's no such thing as saving one year deals.  Use it or lose it.  At least three more open spots for next year already.  Have to have confidence that a player who isn't a high flyer nets out better after a year of development than pick #4 next year would...if not, better than not even trying.

I respectfully disagree. There were 4 unsigned top 150 kids when I looked a week ago. While I don't think the recruiting rankings are all they are cracked up to be, it does give a good barometer of what kind of talent is still out there. I think the graduate transfer would be great to use this year. I don't think trying to fill spots, just for the sake of filling the roster makes any sense. It's not a one year deal, it is a four year commitment you make to the player. To fill the roster with people you normally wouldn't sign doesn't make much sense to me.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

let Wojo recruit Shayok just like everyone else that signed w MU.

[keefe]

College basketball's wastebasket is filled with former Top 100s who turned out to be garbage.

Pretty harsh...

[Golden Avalanche]

Pretty harsh...

Agree. I think Shayok has the intangibles to be a solid Division I player. That's evidenced by Crean and Bennett getting in immediately on his recruitment. The question will be can a guy who's neither as skilled as Deng nor as athletic as Oladipo find his niche to be an elite player at the next level.

[Tugg Speedman]

Absolutely.  There is no downside, and plenty of upside.

The upside is that if the kid blows up, he'll be a solid, four-year contributor.
The upside is that if you are hampered with injuries, you still have some bench depth.
The upside is that you have enough players to hold scrimmages, even if you're down a player or two becuase of illness, injury, etc.
The only downside is that the player doesn't show potential, he'll transfer at year's end.

Of course, that means you can still get that better player next year.

And, please, nobody moralize on how unfair this is. Both players and coaches know this arragement going into the season.  Player at least gets a shot at playing for Marquette instead of settling for something like UWM or Loyola. Scholarships are one-year deals.  You have to perform to keep it.  BTW, this is the same for any other student--don't maintain your grades, you lose an academic scholarship as well.

If you "bank" the scholarship, the only thing that is 100% guaranteed is that you'll get absolutely zero production from that scholarship for the year.  No depth in case of injury.  No player to use in practice scrimmages.  No possiblity that the player develops into a solid performer.  

I'll take a player over an empty seat any day.

+1

Bank one or two scholarships?  If that is no big deal, then why don't we cheat?  The first offense is often a loss of one or two scholarships for a year.  If we are willing to do it to ourselves, then the penalty for cheating is no big deal and we should cheat!

[Wojo'sMojo]

+1

Bank one or two scholarships?  If that is no big deal, then why don't we cheat?  The first offense is often a loss of one or two scholarships for a year.  If we are willing to do it to ourselves, then the penalty for cheating is no big deal and we should cheat!

Short term sacrifices for long term gains. It's amazing that you think we will just go out and grab any 2014 recruit just because we have an opening. We can't just go to the good player tree and pick one off. There is virtually nobody left unsigned, unless you would like a D2 caliber player filling our open spots. I vote a graduate assistant or bust! It's not like we can just cut the guy we signed the following year.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm selling a bridge Lenny, you interested?

No.

[wadesworld]

Short term sacrifices for long term gains. It's amazing that you think we will just go out and grab any 2014 recruit just because we have an opening. We can't just go to the good player tree and pick one off. There is virtually nobody left unsigned, unless you would like a D2 caliber player filling our open spots. I vote a graduate assistant or bust! It's not like we can just cut the guy we signed the following year.

Well, actually, it's exactly like that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

No.

So Shayok was released from his NLI....that's what I thought.  Sorry your line of thinking blew up.  Carry on.

[Sharpie]

Short term sacrifices for long term gains. It's amazing that you think we will just go out and grab any 2014 recruit just because we have an opening. We can't just go to the good player tree and pick one off. There is virtually nobody left unsigned, unless you would like a D2 caliber player filling our open spots. I vote a graduate assistant or bust! It's not like we can just cut the guy we signed the following year.

It's pretty rare for teams go not use an existing scholarship on a player. There's a reason for that. Many if which have been already mentioned in this thread.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Well, actually, it's exactly like that.

Really, how often does that happen? You just tell the kid he is no longer needed and thanks for stopping in? Players transfer, they don't get cut. What if the kid falls in love with MU and doesn't care about playing? Are we gonna kick him to the curb?

[Wojo'sMojo]

It's pretty rare for teams go not use an existing scholarship on a player. There's a reason for that. Many if which have been already mentioned in this thread.

Villanova had 2 open scholarships this year and have 3 openings for next year currently. Seems to have worked out pretty well for them this year.

[Tums Festival]

If Brent was still here, I could see Shayok falling into the Erik Williams, Jamail Jones, Jamal Ferguson category. Now we'll never know how he would've turned out under Wojo. At this moment we need bigs. Jon Horford would be a perfect fit for what we need, but haven't seen anywhere that he's listed any schools he's interested in. One day at a time.

[Sharpie]

Villanova had 2 open scholarships this year and have 3 openings for next year currently. Seems to have worked out pretty well for them this year.

[wadesworld]

Really, how often does that happen? You just tell the kid he is no longer needed and thanks for stopping in? Players transfer, they don't get cut. What if the kid falls in love with MU and doesn't care about playing? Are we gonna kick him to the curb?

It happens all the time at every high major school in every sport.  You don't perform, you lose your scholarship.  You're an investment and if you're not working out you get cut.

[avid1010]

Where did I say this isn't squirmy?  You got your spider sense psychology decoder ring on again....predictable.

By the way, we don't know jack squat what happened here....we know someone put a tweet out.  Did you not learn anything the last few weeks with donedeal?  Do you know if any conversation happened with MU and the parties?  Nope, you know nothing of the kind....predictable.

the most predictable part of this thread was you jumping on and stating that buzz is squirmy, too.  i started looking for your post the second i read the first one.  you never let me down.  

thank you for always defending TC from those that treated him unfairly compared to previously coaches that left...wondering why you don't do the same for buzz?