JJJ confirms that he is staying at MU

[RubyWiscy]

But hey, it is America, so everybody is entitled to an opinion, unless you are white, a Christian, pay taxes, and believe in the constitution--then you are not entitled.

...and heterosexual.

[robertoc]

...and heterosexual.

How bout we leave the politics out huh? 

[robertoc]

There is a lot more to the saga of Buzz that should be said. How he treated JJJ, Taylor and Duane, poor decisions, stupidity of playing Derrick 32 plus minutes per game, rotations, and the list goes on. The guy was a douche, and yet several on this board continue to slurp, defend, idolize, and woody crush the guy. But hey, it is America, so everybody is entitled to an opinion, unless you are white, a Christian, pay taxes, and believe in the constitution--then you are not entitled.

Yes, please do tell how the white man is being kept down..
Or better yet - let's keep the politics out of the hoops forum!

[brandx]

Yes, please do tell how the white man is being kept down..
Or better yet - let's keep the politics out of the hoops forum!

You think Willie has a persecution complex?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

As for Mayo - there is nothing on the basketball court Jake Thomas did better than Todd Mayo.

Shoot the three. Which is something our team desperately needed last season

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This isn't 5th grade basketball here.  This is high major ball...and you play to win.  Why do you think talented guys with checkered pasts far worse than Todd - guys with all kind of legal and drug issues - get chance after chance after chance at the next level?  Because they can help a team win.  Todd could have helped that team win more basketball games last year.  Period.

This is thinking in the short term. Could have playing Mayo more despite whatever his off the court the issue were won us a few more games last season? Probably yes. But doing that destroys any credibility Buzz had left with his players. If Mayo could ignore the coach's direction and still play, what motivation does anyone else have to listen to the coach? So in the long term, playing Mayo could cost us a lot more wins than he would gain.

This is all theoretical. Other than his academic issues, I have no idea what other issues Mayo had. And judging from some of the ominous posts from JSGlow, CBB, and Keefe, there was a lot going on. If Mayo had enough issues to warrant him being shown the door, than he probably had no business being on the court last season, regardless of how many wins it would get us in the short term.

[MarquetteDano]

Shoot the three. Which is something our team desperately needed last season

In the beginning of the season a large minority of people convinced themselves that Jake couldn't shoot against real D-I defenses.  Finishing the Big East in the top 10 in threes per  game and three point percentage never changed anyone's opinion of him.

Perception is reality in some cases.

[NersEllenson]

Shoot the three. Which is something our team desperately needed last season

Yes he shot 3's at 39% for the year to Mayo shooting 33.3.  One guy shot 172 of them, the other 75.  Yet I'd argue a guy who was so limited in everything else on the floor offensively - Jake made exactly 9, 2pt FG's in 32 games - is so poor, it offsets the overall value compared to a guy who is a threat EVERYWHERE, as was Mayo.  I mean Todd outscored Jake 340 to 254 for the season and played 240 LESS minutes - which is the equivalent of 6 full games!

But, yes, if you look at just shooting percentage, Jake is a better 3 point shooter than Todd - so it was an overstatement on my part to say there is nothing he does better on a basketball court.  Bigger picture, though, is when it is the ONLY thing you can do on the offensive end - there is ZERO reason why you should get 240 more minutes than a guy who can do it all and doubles your points per 40 minutes played.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=todd-mayo&p1=jake-thomas

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yes he shot 3's at 39% for the year to Mayo shooting 33.3.  One guy shot 172 of them, the other 75.  Yet I'd argue a guy who was so limited in everything else on the floor offensively - Jake made exactly 9, 2pt FG's in 32 games - is so poor, it offsets the overall value compared to a guy who is a threat EVERYWHERE, as was Mayo.  I mean Todd outscored Jake 340 to 254 for the season and played 240 LESS minutes - which is the equivalent of 6 full games!

But, yes, if you look at just shooting percentage, Jake is a better 3 point shooter than Todd - so it was an overstatement on my part to say there is nothing he does better on a basketball court.  Bigger picture, though, is when it is the ONLY thing you can do on the offensive end - there is ZERO reason why you should get 240 more minutes than a guy who can do it all and doubles your points per 40 minutes played.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=todd-mayo&p1=jake-thomas

I agree that Mayo talentwise deserved more minutes than Thomas. My argument last year was that because we were SO bad at three point shooting, that playing Jake was a necessary evil. Mayo (talentwise) deserved more minutes, but I would argue not a Jake's expense. I think we were at our most effective when Jake and Mayo were on the floor together.

[NersEllenson]

I agree that Mayo talentwise deserved more minutes than Thomas. My argument last year was that because we were SO bad at three point shooting, that playing Jake was a necessary evil. Mayo (talentwise) deserved more minutes, but I would argue not a Jake's expense. I think we were at our most effective when Jake and Mayo were on the floor together.

I can agree with this - I was okay with Todd and Jake playing together too - and felt it could be a potential winning backcourt option, if paired with Dawson.  Yet I would have liked to seen JJJ get some minutes.  I was a hater of the Derrick and Jake combo more than anything.  Jake had some value as he was a good threat from 3.  But when you pair him with guys as limited as Derrick and Juan - it further exacerbates his deficiency - ability to score off the bounce and 2's.

[ATWizJr]

October 11 can't come soon enough.

[River rat]

In the beginning of the season a large minority of people convinced themselves that Jake couldn't shoot against real D-I defenses.  Finishing the Big East in the top 10 in threes per  game and three point percentage never changed anyone's opinion of him.

Perception is reality in some cases.

I never had a problem with Thomass three point shooting....it was everything else about his game that hurt us.  And im not saying anyone else deserved his minutes...thats why we stunk!

[Lennys Tap]

I never had a problem with Thomass three point shooting....it was everything else about his game that hurt us.  And im not saying anyone else deserved his minutes...thats why we stunk!

+1000

[GGGG]

October 11 can't come soon enough.

We are arguing over who should have played more last year....a walk on who lucked his way into a couple scholarships, or a player that the current coach just booted.

[MU82]

You think Willie has a persecution complex?

He is the most joyless individual I've come across on this or just about any other site. Putting him on ignore has made my Scoop experience more enjoyable, but his joylessness still oozes out when he's quoted by others.

[willie warrior]

He is the most joyless individual I've come across on this or just about any other site. Putting him on ignore has made my Scoop experience more enjoyable, but his joylessness still oozes out when he's quoted by others.

That's great MU, but you keep commenting on how you have me on ignore yet providing great analysis on my posts. While you are at it, mention why you have put me on ignore while you are bragging about how all others who do not have an MU degree are worthless. A little bit like an ND grad, eh?

[willie warrior]

He is the most joyless individual I've come across on this or just about any other site. Putting him on ignore has made my Scoop experience more enjoyable, but his joylessness still oozes out when he's quoted by others.

I doubt if you have a clue about joy, other than your gloating about all others who do not have an MU degree are not worthy. Why don't you stick to the subject that when you respond to somebody else that "you have come across on a website" means absolutely zilch in the world of meaningful discussion.

[GGGG]

I doubt if you have a clue about joy, other than your gloating about all others who do not have an MU degree are not worthy. Why don't you stick to the subject that when you respond to somebody else that "you have come across on a website" means absolutely zilch in the world of meaningful discussion.

You are the one that took it off topic with your "persecuted white boy" theme.

[WarriorFan]

Jake will make more money in his pro basketball career than Todd.

How do we make this pop up again in 5 years so we can check?

[barfolomew]

Thank you for the Civics lesson, Sherlock. Don't need it from you. I have no perceived disadvantages--maybe you do. You do not like my opinions-fine. But don't lecture unless you can produce your Doctorate in Lectureology.
And I have liked what I have seen from Wojo, a whole lot better than the phony cowboy, who you and a few others go way out of your beaten path to defend at every criticism, just like now. So save the gas--you will have less heartburn. When you stop the slurping, I will stop the call outs.

BTW, thank you for the new signature.

[Newsdreams]

BTW, thank you for the new signature.

So you just got a Phd., congrats!

[Galway Eagle]

I doubt if you have a clue about joy, other than your gloating about all others who do not have an MU degree are not worthy. Why don't you stick to the subject that when you respond to somebody else that "you have come across on a website" means absolutely zilch in the world of meaningful discussion.

Ok I'm seriously asking: were you actively rooting against us in the NCAA tournament the past 6 years? I mean I agree Buzz was phony anyone who didn't wanna propose on the third date could tell you that.  But you act like you didn't want him to win so would you rather not have the 2 s16 and e8 just to show that buzz sucked or are you willing to thank him for that and still say he was a phony?

[MU82]

You are the one that took it off topic with your "persecuted white boy" theme.

Oh, silly Sultan. You with all of your fancy facts and truths and stuff!

[willie warrior]

Ok I'm seriously asking: were you actively rooting against us in the NCAA tournament the past 6 years? I mean I agree Buzz was phony anyone who didn't wanna propose on the third date could tell you that.  But you act like you didn't want him to win so would you rather not have the 2 s16 and e8 just to show that buzz sucked or are you willing to thank him for that and still say he was a phony?

Last 6 years? Did you forget about last year--or is that not relevant to you? And I have rooted for the Warriors before you were born. And yes, Buzz is a phony, misleading, stubborn. And you like a few others worship the ground he walks on. But Hey--it is all right. It used to be the good old USA.

[willie warrior]

Oh, silly Sultan. You with all of your fancy facts and truths and stuff!

I see it all clearly now. MU 82 and Sultan, full of all the "right facts" clearly and smugly arrogant and righteous. Yes Sir, that is the way we all need to roll. Never question the conventional wisdom, because you will then be slandered and called names, and even better, psychoanalyzed by the pros that are here.