What idiot(s) at MU are on board with a Cuonzo hiring?

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I must admit I have warmed up to Martin and here is why...

1.  Top 20 Offense and Defense by KenPom
   a.  -With Bruce Pearl Recruits mainly starting.  RESPONSE:  Absolutely, true.  I know some of those recruits were also 4 stars.  MU had 4 star players...when was MU top 20 def/off?  Just an anology...I don't believe one can discredit Martin.  

RESPONSE:  ranked top 20 in Offense and Defense.  

 If you are top 20 in offense and defense then you should be a darn good team and have a much better record than what Tennessee had this past year.  Arizona, Florida, and Wichita St. were the only 3 other teams, being top 20 in both categories.  All of those teams won over 33 games while Tennessee won 24.  that's a 9 game difference.  Those stats indicate underachievement and an inability to win games that should have been won by Tennessee.    Key point.... Tennessee should have won last night, but didn't because Martin's calls on defense in the first half, set his team behind.  Seems to me that Martin doesn't know how to use the horses that he had all year.  He left some wins on the table.  

[Tums Festival]

It doesnt matter. Hes a good guy. Great coach. And will do better than Brent. Mark my word!

I'm sure he is a good guy. But being a good guy doesn't necessarily translate into being a successful coach. I just don't see enough evidence, based on his track record, that leads me to think he'd be a good coach for Marquette.

[damuts222]

But if the offensive charge didn't happen Tennessee may have won that game Deane, but that charge call was Martins fault too and his teams poor free throw shooting.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Put me on the town to be run out of town. Oh yeah, I already live in Auburn, Alabama. I'd love the hire, though would also be very happy with Howland.

But I'm going to support whoever is hired. I believe the problem in college sports is everyone trying to run every coach down after any brief stint. I'd be very excited if Cuonzo Martin signed, and look forward to a potential great run.

However, I do not believe we will ever see another run of three straight Sweet 16s including an Elite 8 for MU now that the Big East is restructured. We made the best of a bad situation, I like the new Big East, but that was a twice in a lifetime (early 70s and last three years).

+1

To the OP, you called out TAMU on his 5% and he owned up to it. Maybe you can own up to the foolishness of blanket name-calling every poster who has a different opinion than yours on the relative merits of different coaching candidates.

[mattyv1908]

+1

To the OP, you called out TAMU on his 5% and he owned up to it. Maybe you can own up to the foolishness of blanket name-calling every poster who has a different opinion than yours on the relative merits of different coaching candidates.

I called out TAMU on his 5% comment and I don't believe I called anyone a name who disagrees with me.  Perhaps that was rightfully aimed at the OP.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

My bad. Apologies all around. Put me on ignore!

[StillWarriors]

Can you please stop arbitrarily assigning a made up percentage to the amount of information you think we have compared to coaches?  You'd be surprised how many people in life continually make poor decisions despite having 'all the information.'

Just look at Ted Thompson when he drafted AJ Hawk.  Anyone with a basic understanding of a 3-4 defense (which we were transitioning to) and the personnel philosophy behind it (quality defensive lineman are harder to aquire than linebackers) knew the common sense, home run draft choice was Haloti Ngata and Thompson, a guy who's highly regarded in his field with 'all the information' completely whiffed.

[mattyv1908]

For the record I disagree on a lot of topics with TAMU, and yet he is one of my favorite scoop posters.

I would never call him out personally.

[StillWarriors]

They need to be run out of town. 

This will go down in the annals of bad hires at MU to the level of Dukiet.

Aside from Howland, any suggestions? People shoot down names left and right, but apart from Howland or Shaka you would think there is no one else out there who may do a good job. Izzo, Self, Donovan aren't coming, it seems someone like that would be the only hires that would make some people happy.

[Warriors12]

 If you are top 20 in offense and defense then you should be a darn good team and have a much better record than what Tennessee had this past year.  Arizona, Florida, and Wichita St. were the only 3 other teams, being top 20 in both categories.  All of those teams won over 33 games while Tennessee won 24.  that's a 9 game difference.  Those stats indicate underachievement and an inability to win games that should have been won by Tennessee.    Key point.... Tennessee should have won last night, but didn't because Martin's calls on defense in the first half, set his team behind.  Seems to me that Martin doesn't know how to use the horses that he had all year.  He left some wins on the table.  

Deane:

Your "key point" is a sliver of evidence to a top 20 off/def season.  Michigan is playing extremely well and has been shooting lights out from 3pt land!!!  They are a really good team.  Tennessee made some adjustments that worked...help Michigan to 28 points in second half and caused a lot of turnovers.   As for the season and total wins, 24 is good.  I did not watch every game they played, every loss.  Did they leave some wins on the table...probably.  In all honestly, you and I could go back and forth all day long because there is not just 1 stat or 1 trait that makes a good or bad coach.  I appreciate your facts and stats you are throwing out here.  

[77ncaachamps]

Wow.

Mention more coaches as targets and they bring their own walk-ons onto Scoop!

[brandx]

Ners, Goose or Chicosbailbonds

Whats up with these "veteran" posters with the "this is my house"  and "go away" attitudes? If WE wasnt a MARQUETTE fan, trust me we wouldnt be here!

One final word on this.

When you have people that start threads named "What idiot(s) at MU are on board with a Cuonzo hiring?", plus condescending remarks in almost all of mikeDeanes' posts... well, that is why.

[brandx]

What if we were looking at a guy like this?

1st HC job: interim coach at Hawaii; went 2-6; NCAA recommended he be dis-associated from Hawaii athletics for rules infractions

2nd HC job: Boston U; 2 League Championships in 6 seasons (lowly American Conference)

Can you imagine the whining if MU hired a guy with those credentials? Nobody here would have accepted Rick Pitino as coach.

[ChicosBailBonds]

If you put Martin at UCLA, he recruits the same players that Howland got.  

Maybe the better question is if you put Martin at Pitt when Pitt was I think 2nd to last in the Big East when Howland takes over, how does it go?

I don't know the answer, none of us do.  Just as none of us know if Howland would recruit better than Martin at MU.

100% conjecture.  Howland has proved it at two solid programs and two tough leagues over many years.  He also did very well at Northern Arizona.

Martin did well at Missouri State and this year at UT. 

Martin may appeal to recruits differently than Howland.  Ben's age worries me a bit.  I'd like to see Martin with more success and the Purdue stuff worries me.

[brandx]

Maybe the better question is if you put Martin at Pitt when Pitt was I think 2nd to last in the Big East when Howland takes over, how does it go?

I don't know the answer, none of us do.  Just as none of us know if Howland would recruit better than Martin at MU.

100% conjecture.  Howland has proved it at two solid programs and two tough leagues over many years.  He also did very well at Northern Arizona.

Martin did well at Missouri State and this year at UT. 

Martin may appeal to recruits differently than Howland.  Ben's age worries me a bit.  I'd like to see Martin with more success and the Purdue stuff worries me.

Sums up the way I feel pretty well.

[Jet915]

A school like UCLA recruits itself, it has little to do with the coach.  To say that Howland is going to come to Marquette and be this amazing recruiter because he went to 3 final fours is absurd!  It's a lot easier to get blue chippers to UCLA!

It might be easier to recruit but it's not easy to get to 3 Final Fours anywhere...

[avid1010]

Maybe the better question is if you put Martin at Pitt when Pitt was I think 2nd to last in the Big East when Howland takes over, how does it go?

I don't know the answer, none of us do.  Just as none of us know if Howland would recruit better than Martin at MU.

100% conjecture.  Howland has proved it at two solid programs and two tough leagues over many years.  He also did very well at Northern Arizona.

Martin did well at Missouri State and this year at UT. 

Martin may appeal to recruits differently than Howland.  Ben's age worries me a bit.  I'd like to see Martin with more success and the Purdue stuff worries me.

agreed...i can live with martin, and will be happy to support him, and give him a chance for success at a university that seems to be a relatively easy place to have success.  that said, howland would make me very happy, and i don't think there is much unknown with him (both good and bad).  if there are concerns with howland in certain areas, put something/someone in place to ensure it's taken care of.  unless someone like doc is saying that we don't want to miss out on martin, i'd really like see howland.

think there's any chance MU is just playing games to drive down howland's salary request?  he obviously wants to be at MU more than any other school, and MU has obviously leaked that his salary expectations are too high (which i don't believe for a moment according to the reports on the $$$ we were going to spend on buzz or shaka), but from a bargaining standpoint MU has more leverage.  howland's name doesn't go away, and i wouldn't think the university would string him along if they weren't interested?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

For the record I disagree on a lot of topics with TAMU, and yet he is one of my favorite scoop posters.

I would never call him out personally.

[forgetful]

I for one welcome Martin as our Basketball overlord.

[T.V. Diener 34]

But yea.... about this Ben Howland guy... we need you Marquette... right now (see what I did there?)

[MattyWarrior]

No Martin for me ,we can do much better than that, someone young w/o baggage like Manning.

[augoman]

I feel the best 'big hire' coach is Howland and am surprised at the lack of movement in this direction.  Martin may be an okay coach if hired, but has no impact with me.  After b?g 10's final 4 success and MU's lack of any success, it's hard to get too excited...

Martin?  Whatever.

[Cheeks]

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away,

If we cross our fingers and wish hard enough... anything can happen.


I know he told us how smart he was, but.... is there even one person that believes it besides the guy looking back at him in his mirror.

This is one of the rare times Brandx / Jockey and I have been on the same page.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

This is one of the rare times Brandx / Jockey and I have been on the same page.

I'm glad I could bring you two together.

Thanks for bringing my Cuonzo Martin post back to life.  I hit that one on the head.

[Johnny B]

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