What idiot(s) at MU are on board with a Cuonzo hiring?

[mattyv1908]

Remember, you as a college fan have access to 5% of the available information on coaches. Do you know how he relates to his players? Do you know what recruiting networks he has? Do you know what the players think of him? Do you know if he is ethical? Do you know if he is looking to jump ship for a blue blood? Do you know how much he is demanding for salary.

Let the committee do their due diligence. They know better than we do.

Can you please stop arbitrarily assigning a made up percentage to the amount of information you think we have compared to coaches?  You'd be surprised how many people in life continually make poor decisions despite having 'all the information.'

Just look at Ted Thompson when he drafted AJ Hawk.  Anyone with a basic understanding of a 3-4 defense (which we were transitioning to) and the personnel philosophy behind it (quality defensive lineman are harder to aquire than linebackers) knew the common sense, home run draft choice was Haloti Ngata and Thompson, a guy who's highly regarded in his field with 'all the information' completely whiffed.

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The idiots keep on coming.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Can you please stop arbitrarily assigning a made up percentage to the amount of information you think we have compared to coaches?  You'd be surprised how many people in life continually make poor decisions despite having 'all the information.'

Just look at Ted Thompson when he drafted AJ Hawk.  Anyone with a basic understanding of a 3-4 defense (which we were transitioning to) and the personnel philosophy behind it (quality defensive lineman are harder to aquire than linebackers) knew the common sense, home run draft choice was Haloti Ngata and Thompson, a guy who's highly regarded in his field with 'all the information' completely whiffed.

How dare you disrespect "The Sizzler" !!!!

[Class71]

So far the pol shows 4 out of 5 scoopers prefer Howland. Time to vote folks.

[jeipps]

A school like UCLA recruits itself, it has little to do with the coach.  To say that Howland is going to come to Marquette and be this amazing recruiter because he went to 3 final fours is absurd!  It's a lot easier to get blue chippers to UCLA!

[HutchwasClutch]

Hutch...with all due respect, you offer great advice and you, yourself, should consider it.  Your subject line degrades anyone in favor of Cuonzo.  So, if I am a fan of Cuonzo, I'm an idiot?  If you stand by that statement, you certainly demonstrate traits of ignorance and act like an ignoramous.  This is just my opinion, but let's keep the board and messages backed up by facts and have constructive arguments and opinions.  

There's no rocket science behind why he's not a good candidate- especially for a program like MU with the resources, fan support, investment in the program, tradition, etc. that MU brings to the table.  All you have to do is look at his incredibly staggering mediocre coaching record.  UT was ready to run him out of town until two weeks ago and he probably will be eventually if he stays there.  

[Silkk the Shaka]

I'll wear the scarlet letter of the Cuonzo camp proudly if it clearly separates me from the brain dead professional wrestler style analysis offered up by Hutchwasclutch

[bradley center bat]

I agree, idiot.

[NotAnAlum]

From Vol Nation- and believe me, I didn't have to look far to find this- sure seems the overwhelming consensus down there-

"would be the best thing to happen to TN and for Martin"

I sure hope the V Tech people do read this board with people calling Buzz the idiot savant, disingenuous and a sleazy recruiter.  They might revoke his job offer.

[mattyv1908]

How dare you disrespect "The Sizzler" !!!!

It's burned into my memory ESPN showing highlights of a 340 pound Ngata as a rugby star shortly before the Packers selection.  I turned the draft off when Hawk's name was announced.

[chapman]

A school like UCLA recruits itself, it has little to do with the coach.  To say that Howland is going to come to Marquette and be this amazing recruiter because he went to 3 final fours is absurd!  It's a lot easier to get blue chippers to UCLA!

Less absurd than saying a guy who hasn't set the recruiting world on fire will be much better if he comes here because?  We'll give him the resources UT boosters wisely withheld once they began to notice their investment wasn't yielding acceptable returns?

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I'll wear the scarlet letter of the Cuonzo camp proudly if it clearly separates me from the brain dead professional wrestler style analysis offered up by Hutchwasclutch

Well done.

[mattyv1908]

A school like UCLA recruits itself, it has little to do with the coach.  To say that Howland is going to come to Marquette and be this amazing recruiter because he went to 3 final fours is absurd!  It's a lot easier to get blue chippers to UCLA!

You're completely discounting the recruiting he did at Pitt and the two consecutive sweet 16's he had there prior to leaving for UCLA.

I think Milwaukee is a more desirable city than Pittsburgh.

[Warriors12]

There's no rocket science behind why he's not a good candidate- especially for a program like MU with the resources, fan support, investment in the program, tradition, etc. that MU brings to the table.  All you have to do is look at his incredibly staggering mediocre coaching record.  UT was ready to run him out of town until two weeks ago and he probably will be eventually if he stays there.  

I must admit I have warmed up to Martin and here is why...

1.  Top 20 Offense and Defense by KenPom
2.  Head Coaching Wins:  Takes MSU from a struggling program and by year 2 has a great win percentage and finishes first in conference by year 3; TN...absorbed Pearl issues/program clean?/etc.  and by year 2, NIT, year 3, sweet 16...both programs he quickly accelerated and created a positive upward trend of success.  A program is not built in 1 or 2 years; it takes time.
3.  Recruitment:  I agree that this is the one area that I am not sure about, but it is hard to compare how he would do at Marquette with our resources and our Big East name versus TN, the issues that existed, the rumored expenses being cut, and the fact that BIg East is still better overall in the long-term than SEC.  Still...he has recruited 3 star players, 4 star, and 5 star...how many 5 stars did Buzz bring in?  
4.  Coaching ability:  x's and o's...a step up IMO versus Buzz.  In game management and x's and o's were not Buzz's best strength, but I believe Cuonzo is much better.  
5.  Player development:  Even though he did not bring in consistent 4 and 5 stars, his players improved and accelerated their growth well.  Sometimes, I'd argue that a lot of Buzz's players didn't improve, were stagnant, etc.

[WadeATKBurton]

Lol you Martin haters are hilarious

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

A school like UCLA recruits itself, it has little to do with the coach.  To say that Howland is going to come to Marquette and be this amazing recruiter because he went to 3 final fours is absurd!  It's a lot easier to get blue chippers to UCLA!

Yeah, but he still recruited better @ Pitt than, Cuonzo did @ Tennesee.  

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Can you please stop arbitrarily assigning a made up percentage to the amount of information you think we have compared to coaches?  You'd be surprised how many people in life continually make poor decisions despite having 'all the information.'

Just look at Ted Thompson when he drafted AJ Hawk.  Anyone with a basic understanding of a 3-4 defense (which we were transitioning to) and the personnel philosophy behind it (quality defensive lineman are harder to aquire than linebackers) knew the common sense, home run draft choice was Haloti Ngata and Thompson, a guy who's highly regarded in his field with 'all the information' completely whiffed.

I'm not saying those with all the info are always right. I'm saying they are more often right than those with less information.

And while Ngata would have been the better pick, I think Hawk has done just fine.

[brandx]

From Vol Nation- and believe me, I didn't have to look far to find this- sure seems the overwhelming consensus down there-

"would be the best thing to happen to TN and for Martin"

Means nothing - they are like the rest of the SEC. They preferred their coach when he was a cheater.

These people appear even dumber than all of the new posters here the last week or so.

[mattyv1908]

I'm not saying those with all the info are always right. I'm saying they are more often right than those with less information.

And while Ngata would have been the better pick, I think Hawk has done just fine.

Hawk's a bum, although I admit he has a knack for making more tackles 8-10 yards down field while being drug by an opposing RB after reacting slowly to the play than any linebacker I have ever watched.

And can you at least admit that your 5% garbage is completely made up by you and isn't a factual statement?

[Tums Festival]

I'm just not understanding the love for Cuonzo Martin. Based on his recruiting record and his won-loss record, there's nothing there to get excited about. He had a veteran team this year, so their run to the Sweet 16 isn't that out of bounds. But the quality of players he's been recruiting would indicate a decline in the coming seasons.

And as far as UCLA "recruiting itself," Howland had more recruiting success than Steve Lavin did. He also produced the 9th rated class his last year a Pitt. There's no evidence to suggest Howland wouldn't be able to get quality players to come to MU.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Means nothing - they are like the rest of the SEC. They preferred their coach when he was a cheater.

These people appear even dumber than all of the new posters here the last week or so.

Can't wait until the seach is over so the new posters can leave.

[jficke13]

Wasn't one of the things about Martin that made him appear "available" the fanbase/university's perceived lack of support for the guy?

Well if this thread is anything to go on, he's trading one non-supportive fanbase for another.

[brandx]

Can you please stop arbitrarily assigning a made up percentage to the amount of information you think we have compared to coaches?  You'd be surprised how many people in life continually make poor decisions despite having 'all the information.'

Just look at Ted Thompson when he drafted AJ Hawk.  Anyone with a basic understanding of a 3-4 defense (which we were transitioning to) and the personnel philosophy behind it (quality defensive lineman are harder to aquire than linebackers) knew the common sense, home run draft choice was Haloti Ngata and Thompson, a guy who's highly regarded in his field with 'all the information' completely whiffed.

Matty, I like most of your posts, but, actually, you are the one that whiffed this time. Hawk was drafted for a 4-3 defense - not a 3-4. I believe that Sanders was the DC then. Capers was still in the future.

[WadeATKBurton]

Man, I hope Chords or any other admistrator dont read this board. This is embarrassing!  Some of yall respond to Cuonzo Martin possibly being OUR new head coach with so much HATRED but respond to Brian Wardle possibly being the guy as just a dislike or "pass".

Pathetic!

Ners, Goose and Chicobailbonds much respect to you guys!

[madtownwarrior]

Pretty awesome you dickheads can hate a coach before he even is hired.