What idiot(s) at MU are on board with a Cuonzo hiring?

[WadeATKBurton]

Pretty awesome you dickheads can hate a coach before he even is hired.

RIGHT. Just doesnt make any sense to me

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I must admit I have warmed up to Martin and here is why...

1.  Top 20 Offense and Defense by KenPom
    a.  -With Bruce Pearl Recruits mainly starting

b.  If you're top 20 in defense and offense, why do you barely make it into the tourney as a play in game?

2.  Head Coaching Wins:  Takes MSU from a struggling program and by year 2 has a great win percentage and finishes first in conference by year 3; TN...absorbed Pearl issues/program clean?/etc.  and by year 2, NIT, year
a.  Not bad...

3, sweet 16...both programs he quickly accelerated and created a positive upward trend of success.  A program is not built in 1 or 2 years; it takes time.
a.  Barely made NCAA tourney
b.  Next year, the team is going to be decimated as Pearl's recruits leave and Martin's best recruit (unpolished)  leaves for the NBA.  Martin didn't recruit well enough to reload.

3.  Recruitment:  I agree that this is the one area that I am not sure about, but it is hard to compare how he would do at Marquette with our resources and our Big East name versus TN, the issues that existed, the rumored expenses being cut, and the fact that BIg East is still better overall in the long-term than SEC.  Still...he has recruited 3 star players, 4 star, and 5 star...how many 5 stars did Buzz bring in?
a.  Buzz didn't bring in 2 star recruits, like Martin.  Don't forget to mention that!!!

4.  Coaching ability:  x's and o's...a step up IMO versus Buzz.  In game management and x's and o's were not Buzz's best strength, but I believe Cuonzo is much better.
a.  How is Cuonzo much better?  Clearly, if you can't state why and supply evidence.... then you don't know.  

5.  Player development:  Even though he did not bring in consistent 4 and 5 stars, his players improved and accelerated their growth well.  Sometimes, I'd argue that a lot of Buzz's players didn't improve, were stagnant, etc.
a.  Tell me which of Martin's recruits blossomed well, under his tutelage?  His major recruit, Jarnell Stokes is criticized by NBA scouts for not being close to being polished.  Martin takes the blame for lack of development here.

[Markusquette]

This board really became a sh1tshow lately.  Thanks Buzz.

[keefe]

A school like UCLA recruits itself, it has little to do with the coach.  To say that Howland is going to come to Marquette and be this amazing recruiter because he went to 3 final fours is absurd!  It's a lot easier to get blue chippers to UCLA!

A school like Marquette in 1977 recruited itself. The defending national champs with the hip image had the best high school players lined up to become a Warrior. Then we changed coaches and within a few years Marquette was spiraling into irrelevance. The coach matters. Ben Howland is a proven game coach and recruiter.

[GoldenWarrior11]

I must say I am very intrigued by Cuonzo Martin.  I have no sources, no facts, no basis I am going off of this, but I truly feel that all the recruits stay if Cuonzo is hired, and I will also go out on a limb and say that Marquette's chances of landing Diamond Stone go up exponentially if he is the pick over Howland.  

If he brings along Jon Harris and Tracy Webster, I would feel even more confident with our recruiting future than under Buzz - and with Buzz I felt like we had a shot at a ton of top-rated recruits.

Tennessee, and the rest of the SEC (minus Kentucky and Florida) is a tricky group to evaluate.  It is a football conference, no doubt, but that shouldn't take away the level of talent (players and coaches) the league has.  Look at Frank Martin, who I actually view to be a strong coach.  He hasn't done anything at South Carolina, after being a HUGE recruiter at Kansas State.  Anthony Grant won at VCU, but has experienced struggles at Alabama.  Mike Anderson won at Missouri (Elite Eight, Sweet 16), but can't do much at Arkansas.  

I think too many of us are judging Martin on his recruiting abilities in recruiting-challenged conference.  Unless you are at Kentucky or Florida, you won't be getting the blue chippers every school craves.  

[bamamarquettefan]

Put me on the town to be run out of town. Oh yeah, I already live in Auburn, Alabama. I'd love the hire, though would also be very happy with Howland.

But I'm going to support whoever is hired. I believe the problem in college sports is everyone trying to run every coach down after any brief stint. I'd be very excited if Cuonzo Martin signed, and look forward to a potential great run.

However, I do not believe we will ever see another run of three straight Sweet 16s including an Elite 8 for MU now that the Big East is restructured. We made the best of a bad situation, I like the new Big East, but that was a twice in a lifetime (early 70s and last three years).

[avid1010]

i do think it's important to answer hutch's question as to whom is on board with this hiring.  seeing as doc rivers is on the BoT and serving as an advisor to the hiring process you should maybe reconsider who you call an idiot...idiot. btw, tubby is 62.  

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Hawk's a bum, although I admit he has a knack for making more tackles 8-10 yards down field while being drug by an opposing RB after reacting slowly to the play than any linebacker I have ever watched.

And can you at least admit that your 5% garbage is completely made up by you and isn't a factual statement?

It's an expression. "We know ____% of what they do" kind of like "I've forgotten more about _____ then you will ever know." (That one also applies).

But yes, 5% is a made up number. The concept isn't though

[brandx]

Can't wait until the seach is over so the new posters can leave.

+800000000000000000000

[DoggyDaddy]

Let's see, Martin played well in college for a good team. Then he had a several good years in the NBA.
He did well in coaching at a small school and moved on to do bigger things.  
The last MU coach with this story line was....

[WadeATKBurton]

Let's see, Martin played well in college for a good team. Then he had a several good years in the NBA.
He did well in coaching at a small school and moved on to do bigger things.  
The last MU coach with this story line was....

It doesnt matter. Hes a good guy. Great coach. And will do better than Brent. Mark my word!

[nyg]

Means nothing - they are like the rest of the SEC. They preferred their coach when he was a cheater.

These people appear even dumber than all of the new posters here the last week or so.

The new posters have taken over the board as of late.  Some have great comments and others are all over the place, contradicting themselves and looking for things to argue with.  But, have to like the fortitude they display with passion.  Just need to watch what some are writing. Pastner, Hurley, Cronin, Gillen, Stephens, Doc Rivers, and the other names being thrown out are just a waste of ink on a keyboard.  

That said, at this point in the process, I am personally at the point where MU officials should not be called idiots, because no one on this internet board actually knows what is occurring or what the potential coaches are asking for.

Next year, whoever the coach is, will get a pass.  The team will be alittle short up front with Taylor at the #5 until Fischer arrives.  Might be a similar season as this year, BUT in 2015 everything changes.  This is where the job for the new coach gets interesting because he knows what he has. If the new coach can maintain current recruits and players and gets Stone, here you go:

2015: (per Rivals)

Duane Wilson 4 star
JJJ 4 star
Hill 4 star
Fischer 4 star
Burton 4 star
Cohen 4 star
Nick N 4 star
Diamond Stone 5 star

Folks, thats seven 4 stars and one 5 star recruits.  Probably the best MU has had in many, many years and most coaches would love to have that contingent.  

Can Martin, Howland or whoever hold the classes together in order to get to that 2015 season, that is the key.  Maybe that is what appealing MU officials to Martin because of his ties to some of the players/recruits and if a coach can't be successful with that lineup, oh boy.....

So as the decision process goes, whoever it is, lets root them on and hope they can maintain these kids to stay onboard.  

[brandx]

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away,

If we cross our fingers and wish hard enough... anything can happen.


I know he told us how smart he was, but.... is there even one person that believes it besides the guy looking back at him in his mirror.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Put me on the town to be run out of town. Oh yeah, I already live in Auburn, Alabama. I'd love the hire, though would also be very happy with Howland.

But I'm going to support whoever is hired. I believe the problem in college sports is everyone trying to run every coach down after any brief stint. I'd be very excited if Cuonzo Martin signed, and look forward to a potential great run.

However, I do not believe we will ever see another run of three straight Sweet 16s including an Elite 8 for MU now that the Big East is restructured. We made the best of a bad situation, I like the new Big East, but that was a twice in a lifetime (early 70s and last three years).

You can always count on bama to be the voice of reason. Glad to see you weigh in, wish you stopped by more.

[DoggyDaddy]

It doesnt matter. Hes a good guy. Great coach. And will do better than Brent. Mark my word!

That man was Al, my quick trigger friend.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away, MikeDeanesDarkGlasses will go away,

If we cross our fingers and wish hard enough... anything can happen.


I know he told us how smart he was, but.... is there even one person that believes it besides the guy looking back at him in his mirror.

I think your mother is calling you in for dinner. 

By the way, when you get back.....  I will still be here with my line of critical questioning on Cuonzo that nobody, seems to be able to answer. 

[WadeATKBurton]

Ners, Goose or Chicosbailbonds

Whats up with these "veteran" posters with the "this is my house"  and "go away" attitudes? If WE wasnt a MARQUETTE fan, trust me we wouldnt be here!

[Warriors12]

I must admit I have warmed up to Martin and here is why...

1.  Top 20 Offense and Defense by KenPom
   a.  -With Bruce Pearl Recruits mainly starting.  RESPONSE:  Absolutely, true.  I know some of those recruits were also 4 stars.  MU had 4 star players...when was MU top 20 def/off?  Just an anology...I don't believe one can discredit Martin.  

b.  If you're top 20 in defense and offense, why do you barely make it into the tourney as a play in game?  RESPONSE:  But they made it, correct?  Year 3 only at TN, with a lot of baggage of a program in his first year inherited from Pearl.

2.  Head Coaching Wins:  Takes MSU from a struggling program and by year 2 has a great win percentage and finishes first in conference by year 3; TN...absorbed Pearl issues/program clean?/etc.  and by year 2, NIT, year
a.  Not bad...

3, sweet 16...both programs he quickly accelerated and created a positive upward trend of success.  A program is not built in 1 or 2 years; it takes time.
a.  Barely made NCAA tourney
b.  Next year, the team is going to be decimated as Pearl's recruits leave and Martin's best recruit (unpolished)  leaves for the NBA.  Martin didn't recruit well enough to reload. RESPONSE:  Time will tell...he had Senior leadership this year.  Can we say with certainty that the next players don't step up and develop?  

3.  Recruitment:  I agree that this is the one area that I am not sure about, but it is hard to compare how he would do at Marquette with our resources and our Big East name versus TN, the issues that existed, the rumored expenses being cut, and the fact that BIg East is still better overall in the long-term than SEC.  Still...he has recruited 3 star players, 4 star, and 5 star...how many 5 stars did Buzz bring in?
a.  Buzz didn't bring in 2 star recruits, like Martin.  Don't forget to mention that!!! RESPONSE:  ESPN recruitment ranking of Gardner = 2 stars.  Buzz did.  It is not always about the stars.  Anderson, Taylor, Wilson were 4 star recruits...would you consider them studs?

4.  Coaching ability:  x's and o's...a step up IMO versus Buzz.  In game management and x's and o's were not Buzz's best strength, but I believe Cuonzo is much better.
a.  How is Cuonzo much better?  Clearly, if you can't state why and supply evidence.... then you don't know. RESPONSE:  ranked top 20 in Offense and Defense.  

5.  Player development:  Even though he did not bring in consistent 4 and 5 stars, his players improved and accelerated their growth well.  Sometimes, I'd argue that a lot of Buzz's players didn't improve, were stagnant, etc.
a.  Tell me which of Martin's recruits blossomed well, under his tutelage?  His major recruit, Jarnell Stokes is criticized by NBA scouts for not being close to being polished.  Martin takes the blame for lack of development here.  RESPONSE:  See by point about 4 stars with Buzz above...my arguement here for #5 is in comparison to Buzz.  

[WadeATKBurton]

I must admit I have warmed up to Martin and here is why...

1.  Top 20 Offense and Defense by KenPom
   a.  -With Bruce Pearl Recruits mainly starting.  RESPONSE:  Absolutely, true.  I know some of those recruits were also 4 stars.  MU had 4 star players...when was MU top 20 def/off?  Just an anology...I don't believe one can discredit Martin.  

b.  If you're top 20 in defense and offense, why do you barely make it into the tourney as a play in game?  RESPONSE:  But they made it, correct?  Year 3 only at TN, with a lot of baggage of a program in his first year inherited from Pearl.

2.  Head Coaching Wins:  Takes MSU from a struggling program and by year 2 has a great win percentage and finishes first in conference by year 3; TN...absorbed Pearl issues/program clean?/etc.  and by year 2, NIT, year
a.  Not bad...

3, sweet 16...both programs he quickly accelerated and created a positive upward trend of success.  A program is not built in 1 or 2 years; it takes time.
a.  Barely made NCAA tourney
b.  Next year, the team is going to be decimated as Pearl's recruits leave and Martin's best recruit (unpolished)  leaves for the NBA.  Martin didn't recruit well enough to reload. RESPONSE:  Time will tell...he had Senior leadership this year.  Can we say with certainty that the next players don't step up and develop?  

3.  Recruitment:  I agree that this is the one area that I am not sure about, but it is hard to compare how he would do at Marquette with our resources and our Big East name versus TN, the issues that existed, the rumored expenses being cut, and the fact that BIg East is still better overall in the long-term than SEC.  Still...he has recruited 3 star players, 4 star, and 5 star...how many 5 stars did Buzz bring in?
a.  Buzz didn't bring in 2 star recruits, like Martin.  Don't forget to mention that!!! RESPONSE:  ESPN recruitment ranking of Gardner = 2 stars.  Buzz did.  It is not always about the stars.  Anderson, Taylor, Wilson were 4 star recruits...would you consider them studs?

4.  Coaching ability:  x's and o's...a step up IMO versus Buzz.  In game management and x's and o's were not Buzz's best strength, but I believe Cuonzo is much better.
a.  How is Cuonzo much better?  Clearly, if you can't state why and supply evidence.... then you don't know. RESPONSE:  ranked top 20 in Offense and Defense.  

5.  Player development:  Even though he did not bring in consistent 4 and 5 stars, his players improved and accelerated their growth well.  Sometimes, I'd argue that a lot of Buzz's players didn't improve, were stagnant, etc.
a.  Tell me which of Martin's recruits blossomed well, under his tutelage?  His major recruit, Jarnell Stokes is criticized by NBA scouts for not being close to being polished.  Martin takes the blame for lack of development here.  RESPONSE:  See by point about 4 stars with Buzz above...my arguement here for #5 is in comparison to Buzz.  

Im with you all the way. I was always a Cuonzo fan. He will excel Marquette to greater heights!

[brandx]

Ners, Goose or Chicosbailbonds

Whats up with these "veteran" posters with the "this is my house"  and "go away" attitudes? If WE wasnt a MARQUETTE fan, trust me we wouldnt be here!

It wasn't directed at you. Actually it was only directed at about a half dozen of the new guys who look like they just want an argument.

I've noticed a lot of the veterans have been avoiding the board more since they showed up.

[Warriors12]

Article on Cuanzo:  http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/martin_cuonzo00.html

A leader, recruiter, player development, coach...

[GoVols]

Let's see, Martin played well in college for a good team. Then he had a several good years in the NBA.
He did well in coaching at a small school and moved on to do bigger things.  
The last MU coach with this story line was....

Actually Martin played 7 games in the NBA and scored less than 30 total points in his career.

[damuts222]

For all of you newbies go look up Buzz Williams and his accomplished record at New Orleans before he was an assistant under Crean for one year.

[WadeATKBurton]

For all of you newbies go look up Buzz Williams and his accomplished record at New Orleans before he was an assistant under Crean for one year.

Not interested. Never liked the guy as a coach

[mattyv1908]

Matty, I like most of your posts, but, actually, you are the one that whiffed this time. Hawk was drafted for a 4-3 defense - not a 3-4. I believe that Sanders was the DC then. Capers was still in the future.

You are 100% correct.  I forgot about Sanders and it honestly slipped my mind.  I'd still argue Ngata was a better selection but I made a mistake here.

We could just as easily substitute where Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers were drafted as a better (and more factual) example of people with all the information making mistakes at the highest level.