2014-15 NFC North/NFL Thread

[forgetful]

Question: Any indication if Peterson face a conduct violation suspension? (Asking for a friend.)

He may, they are now considering it.  Personally, I think he gets a minimum of an additional 4 games.

[MU B2002]

He may, they are now considering it.  Personally, I think he gets a minimum of an additional 4 games.

Uh, thanks.

[Blackhat]

Man Cutler showed no heart last night.   Glad I picked up Mark Sanchez for FF, cause Cut is reeling now.

[wadesworld]

Man Cutler showed no heart last night.   Glad I picked up Mark Sanchez for FF, cause Cut is reeling now.

FIRE CAPERS!

[Blackhat]

FIRE CAPERS!

I've never called for Capers's job, think he's the best we can do.    Other people have, but I'm not gonna throw it in their face, it was one game.  Hope we keep the good d play up.  Moving Matthews inside was genius.

[GGGG]

I never thought Chip Kelly would be this good in the NFL.  With Foles emergence last year, and Sanchez's performance last night, it makes you wonder if he has figured out a way to simplify the quarterback position in a way that is going to make it easier for teams to not have to invest such big $$ into the position.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Wow even Gov. Walker getting in on it. Tweeted that he has more victories in WI than Jay Cutler, there goes the Bear fans vote if he runs for Prez

[MerrittsMustache]

Cutler is a top 15-20 QB in the NFL. At his absolute best, he's top 10. (We all agree?) Based on supply/demand, the Bears were in a tough spot with Cutler this off-season and chose a long term (fair-market) deal instead of franchising him. (Still on the same page?) Someone could do the math and compare Cutler's cap hit in this contract vs. a couple seasons of franchising him.  Cutler has been bad from the second half of last season through today (Still good?). Cutler is clearly not a good enough QB to make up for deficiencies on an NFL team. (Yes?) The Bears are a bad team whether or not Cutler is the QB here. (Ok?) And that probably starts from at least Trestman on down, though you could make an argument for Emery or upper-level execs - I'm looking at you, Ted Philips. (Sound reasonable?)

I've made no excuses for Cutler in the preceding paragraph. I have said he's bad. I've said he has the capability to be good. I've said he cannot carry/make up for problems on a team. But the Bears are bad all over the field and on the sideline as well.

Very well stated. Simple, clear and concise. I agree on all counts.

The additional issue that the Bears face is that the QB position, though sub-par, is not even one of their primary weaknesses. If you were going to rank the Bears' biggest areas for improvement...safeties, linebackers, pass rusher, right tackle, #3 WR, and possibly even CBs, and kick returners would be before QB. The roster is a complete mess right now and the coaching staff is in over their heads. Not a good combo.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Yeaaa, nm thought better of it.

[wadesworld]

Very well stated. Simple, clear and concise. I agree on all counts.

The additional issue that the Bears face is that the QB position, though sub-par, is not even one of their primary weaknesses. If you were going to rank the Bears' biggest areas for improvement...safeties, linebackers, pass rusher, right tackle, #3 WR, and possibly even CBs, and kick returners would be before QB. The roster is a complete mess right now and the coaching staff is in over their heads. Not a good combo.

When you have a pass catching threat like Bennett at tight end the #3 wide receiver becomes fairly unimportant.  As long as you have 3 threats to catch the ball you are just fine there, especially when you have a back like Forte who is a threat to catch the ball out of the back field as well.

[GGGG]

Very well stated. Simple, clear and concise. I agree on all counts.

The additional issue that the Bears face is that the QB position, though sub-par, is not even one of their primary weaknesses. If you were going to rank the Bears' biggest areas for improvement...safeties, linebackers, pass rusher, right tackle, #3 WR, and possibly even CBs, and kick returners would be before QB. The roster is a complete mess right now and the coaching staff is in over their heads. Not a good combo.

I think Santonio Holmes is a fine #3 receiver, but it doesn't seem like Jay ever looks his way.

[NavinRJohnson]

Very well stated. Simple, clear and concise. I agree on all counts.

The additional issue that the Bears face is that the QB position, though sub-par, is not even one of their primary weaknesses. If you were going to rank the Bears' biggest areas for improvement...safeties, linebackers, pass rusher, right tackle, #3 WR, and possibly even CBs, and kick returners would be before QB. The roster is a complete mess right now and the coaching staff is in over their heads. Not a good combo.

While you are correct on the other weaknesses, the reality of today's NFL is, if your QB play is sub-par it is your primary weakness. In other words, if your QB play is sub-par, nothing else really matters. When you have problems elsewhere, it just exacerbates the problem.

75% or so of teams pretty much start the year eliminated from Super Bowl contention because their QB is simply not capable of getting them there. The Bears are a train wreck all over, but indications seem to point more and more to Jay being among the 75% and not the 25%.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

While you are correct on the other weaknesses, the reality of today's NFL is, if your QB play is sub-par it is your primary weakness. In other words, if your QB play is sub-par, nothing else really matters. When you have problems elsewhere, it just exacerbates the problem.

75% or so of teams pretty much start the year eliminated from Super Bowl contention because their QB is simply not capable of getting them there. The Bears are a train wreck all over, but indications seem to point more and more to Jay being among the 75% and not the 25%.

Rex Grossman and the 06 Bears and the 85 Bears with McMahon beg to differ...

[NavinRJohnson]

Yep, that's why I said today's NFL. 2006 was a lifetime ago (and BTW, they lost...to Peyton Manning).

[wadesworld]

Yep, that's why I said today's NFL. 2006 was a lifetime ago (and BTW, they lost...to Peyton Manning).

Dude, you're just a Cutler hater...

[mu-rara]

Very well stated. Simple, clear and concise. I agree on all counts.

The additional issue that the Bears face is that the QB position, though sub-par, is not even one of their primary weaknesses. If you were going to rank the Bears' biggest areas for improvement...safeties, linebackers, pass rusher, right tackle, #3 WR, and possibly even CBs, and kick returners would be before QB. The roster is a complete mess right now and the coaching staff is in over their heads. Not a good combo.

I've heard a lot of screaming and yelling about Mel Tucker. (Listened to the SCORE yesterday.  Every Packer fan should do that after a win)  Does he have the horses or is he a horsesh*t coordinator?   I thought the Bears were gonna bite it and start from scratch on defense.

Based on Monday's radio talk, If I were Trestman, I'd watch my dog.

[jesmu84]

Yep, that's why I said today's NFL. 2006 was a lifetime ago (and BTW, they lost...to Peyton Manning).

No disagreement that QB in today's nfl is the most important. But I think it also depends on how the rest of your team is composed. Flacco, Wilson, kapernick, even Eli probably aren't good enough to elevate a team to a super bowl level on their own. Right now, I'd put all 4 of those guys above Cutler, just so we're all clear

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I've heard a lot of screaming and yelling about Mel Tucker. (Listened to the SCORE yesterday.  Every Packer fan should do that after a win)  Does he have the horses or is he a horsesh*t coordinator?   I thought the Bears were gonna bite it and start from scratch on defense.

Based on Monday's radio talk, If I were Trestman, I'd watch my dog.

That's a great chicken or the egg argument. I don't think Tucker is good but I also don't think that he designs plays that give WRs 12 yards of space. That's on the players. Linebackers are brutal. Secondary is really young with Fuller and Vereen and on paper the D line should be much better than they are.

[MerrittsMustache]

I've heard a lot of screaming and yelling about Mel Tucker. (Listened to the SCORE yesterday.  Every Packer fan should do that after a win)  Does he have the horses or is he a horsesh*t coordinator?   I thought the Bears were gonna bite it and start from scratch on defense.

Based on Monday's radio talk, If I were Trestman, I'd watch my dog.

The Score is even entertaining for Bears fans after losses. It's like listening to a spoof of meathead football fans after a loss.

Anyway, the Bears' D lacks in talent, but one of the major issues is that the players don't know what's going on. Even going back to last season, there have been major blown coverages and missed assignments because defenders aren't on the same page. On the first Nelson TD, the Bears' defenders were playing 3 different defenses! There's clearly something lacking in terms of preparation, communication and scheme...you know, the primary aspects of coaching. There's too much experience on that D to be making the gaffs that they're making. A bulk of the blame has to fall on Tucker.

[jsglow]

Very well stated. Simple, clear and concise. I agree on all counts.

The additional issue that the Bears face is that the QB position, though sub-par, is not even one of their primary weaknesses. If you were going to rank the Bears' biggest areas for improvement...safeties, linebackers, pass rusher, right tackle, #3 WR, and possibly even CBs, and kick returners would be before QB. The roster is a complete mess right now and the coaching staff is in over their heads. Not a good combo.

I agree with all of this.  While Cutler is an 'average' to 'slightly above average' QB, what happened on Sunday night really wasn't his fault.  As a Packer fan I was pleased that the Bears re-signed him long term as we absolutely do have his number.  But the Bears problems run much deeper than Jay.  Aaron Rodgers could have agreed to switch uniforms each possession and the Rodgers led Packers would still have soundly beaten the Rodgers led Bears.  The Bear defense is simply terrible.  Does anyone here believe that the Packers couldn't have scored 70 had they wanted to?  They literally called off the dogs at halftime and both teams would have happily gone to the showers.  We should feel good that seemingly no major injuries occurred.  

I actually feel sorry for some of the proud Bear players who are experiencing this; an epic collapse of a historic franchise.  Lance Briggs was one hell of a player.  I'm sure he wishes his team was better and is envious of his friend now playing brilliantly 200 miles to the north.

[jsglow]

Wow even Gov. Walker getting in on it. Tweeted that he has more victories in WI than Jay Cutler, there goes the Bear fans vote if he runs for Prez

Sorry.  Reread my post and decided it was ever so slightly political, albeit in good fun.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Sorry.  Reread my post and decided it was ever so slightly political, albeit in good fun.

Yea, took my post back earlier too. Though it was much more angry and (possibly) offensive towards Walker.

[MerrittsMustache]

I actually feel sorry for some of the proud Bear players who are experiencing this; an epic collapse of a historic franchise.  Lance Briggs was one hell of a player.  I'm sure he wishes his team was better and is envious of his friend now playing brilliantly 200 miles to the north.

Don't feel too sorry for Briggs. He made $7.5M last year and is making $6.5M this year, yet he completely mailed it in after injuring his shoulder last season. He was expected to miss 6 weeks and was out for 9, coming back overweight and out of shape for the final 2 games and then he showed up for training camp still overweight and out of shape. He also recently admitted to tuning out during team meetings. He was a great player and I loved watching him play, but he's lost interest.

[NavinRJohnson]

That's a great chicken or the egg argument. I don't think Tucker is good but I also don't think that he designs plays that give WRs 12 yards of space. That's on the players.

Perhaps, but on the first touch down to Jordy, the fact that I could tell what was about to happen seeing only a portion of the field and players involved, while 11 players and multiple coaches on the field or in the booth didn't recognize it and at least try to call time out or adjust in some way, is an indictment of a completely unprepared coaching staff. The fact that it later happened again, just makes it that much worse. Talent problems? Yes. Serious coaching problems as well? Absolutely.

[MU B2002]

I've heard a lot of screaming and yelling about Mel Tucker. (Listened to the SCORE yesterday.  Every Packer fan should do that after a win)  Does he have the horses or is he a horsesh*t coordinator?   I thought the Bears were gonna bite it and start from scratch on defense.

Based on Monday's radio talk, If I were Trestman, I'd watch my dog.

http://deadspin.com/twitter-users-harass-marc-trestmans-daughters-after-bea-1657009542


Gotta love internet courage/anonymity...  So embarrassing.