Northwestern should be Buzz's blueprint...

[GGGG]

That's twice he checked himself into rehab only to break out within days. Is there a doctor in the house?

Phillip Seymour Hoffman:heroine::Ners:Derrick Wilson

The only difference is that Derrick Wilson overdose doesn't bring the sweet relief of death.

[NavinRJohnson]

That's twice he checked himself into rehab only to break out within days. Is there a doctor in the house?

Yep. Admitting you have a problem is a great first step, but its not the only step.

[tower912]

 

He's not stubborn.  He's made changes over the past couple of games.  Including one where Derrick was named SOTG (which you agreed with BTW), yet less than a week later you're not only beating the "Dawson should get 30+" horse to death, but you are running it over with a truck, burying it, digging it up again, shooting it a few times, and then flogging it a bit more.


 

If you are going to keep using the 'dead' thing, it has reached "Weekend at Bernie's" stage because he is putting sunglasses on it and taking it to dinner.  

[MerrittsMustache]

If you are going to keep using the 'dead' thing, it has reached "Weekend at Bernie's" stage because he is putting sunglasses on it and taking it to dinner.  

Given the moratorium, this would now be "Weekend at Bernie's 2".

[NersEllenson]

What are you even talking about?

Ahh....the facts...what part don't you understand?

And thanks for helping to make the argument for why Dawson should be getting more minutes...

None of that changes the fact that Demps and Cobb (who is actually in his fourth year at NU) were already playing significant minutes this season and had played significant minutes in the past as well.

Lastly, yet since they benched Sobolewski....and gave more minutes to Demps and Cobbs...the team's gotten much better.  I'd suspect the same would be true for MU...up the minutes big time for Dawson and Mayo...and the team would be much better.  It's been a disaster this year otherwise....and it isn't because there's a lack of talent on the roster or "leadership."  

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Here you go Ners

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program

You have passed step 1. You are struggling with step 2.

[MerrittsMustache]

Ahh....the facts...what part don't you understand?

And thanks for helping to make the argument for why Dawson should be getting more minutes...

Lastly, yet since they benched Sobolewski....and gave more minutes to Demps and Cobbs...the team's gotten much better.  I'd suspect the same would be true for MU...up the minutes big time for Dawson and Mayo...and the team would be much better.  It's been a disaster this year otherwise....and it isn't because there's a lack of talent on the roster or "leadership."  

First of all, they didn't bench Sobolewski. He got injured. Second, Demps and Cobbs are upperclassmen who had proven in previous seasons that they were more than capable of playing extended, productive minutes at this level. Not only that, but they were already playing extended, productive minutes this season.

Coaches try to win every single game on their schedule. They don't think things like, "I should get the untested freshmen significant minutes against big time opponents so that they're ready to fill in on the off chance that a starter gets hurt sometime in the next couple of seasons." They coach to win! Bill Carmody wasn't playing Cobb and Demps to get them experience in case they needed to fill in for Sobolewski at some point down the road. He was playing them because they gave him the best chance to win.


Sidenote: You stated in your original post that you'd take Sobolewski's numbers at MU. However, Derrick is averaging roughly the same number of points (5.5 vs. 5.9), 2 more rebounds/game, nearly 1 more assist/game, more steals, fewer TOs and shooting 16% higher from the floor. In other words, you'd rather have a less productive player than have Derrick Wilson who's production and stats you've crushed all season.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Sidenote: You stated in your original post that you'd take Sobolewski's numbers at MU. However, Derrick is averaging roughly the same number of points (5.5 vs. 5.9), 2 more rebounds/game, nearly 1 more assist/game, more steals, fewer TOs and shooting 16% higher from the floor. In other words, you'd rather have a less productive player than have Derrick Wilson who's production and stats you've crushed all season.

But the offense flows better with Sobolewski.

[tower912]

"It's Derrick, It's Derrick"

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Ners is gonna go all Tonya Harding on DWill.

[NersEllenson]

What are you even talking about?

Derrick is shooting 10% higher from the floor on layups. Does that not count because of Dawson's small sample size?

Fixed it for you.  We know he's got no midrange game, no pull up jumper, no 3-ball...and in other words...no pressure on the defense...certainly Derrick can get to the basket in transition situations, albeit usually with epic fail.

Dawson at lest puts pressure on the defense, and needs to be defended everywhere on the court - that in and of itself helps your team.

But no worries, you along with the others can continue to bury your head in the sand and point toward "leadership,' and the team not getting loose balls, and "lacking heart," to explain how this team is significantly worse in all offensive measurables, than any other team of Buzz's.  Sadly, being a good leader in basketball doesn't mean you can make a 3 point shot.

[GGGG]

There's a number of reasons why MU's offense has fallen off:

**The best guard MU had last year left for the draft and there hasn't been an adequate replacement
**The senior leadership has been spotty and inconsistent.
**There has not be a good replacement for Junior Cadougan at point.

See again, you are mixing the issues.  No one is saying Derrick Wilson is all-conference, or a good replacement for Junior Cadougan, or even better than average.  People are just saying that giving Dawson 30+ isn't the answer, but that if he does have the hot hand, that Buzz should ride him.

That's all.

[MerrittsMustache]

Fixed it for you.  We know he's got no midrange game, no pull up jumper, no 3-ball...and in other words...no pressure on the defense...certainly Derrick can get to the basket in transition situations, albeit usually with epic fail.

Dawson at lest puts pressure on the defense, and needs to be defended everywhere on the court - that in and of itself helps your team.

Jake Thomas also puts pressure on the defense, and needs to be defended everywhere on the court. Should he run the point? Besides, Dawson is shooting a paltry 28.6% from 3 and 31.4% from the field. He's not exactly Ray Allen.

But no worries, you along with the others can continue to bury your head in the sand and point toward "leadership,' and the team not getting loose balls, and "lacking heart," to explain how this team is significantly worse in all offensive measurables, than any other team of Buzz's.  Sadly, being a good leader in basketball doesn't mean you can make a 3 point shot.

Show me one time when I said any of those things. Also, MU is averaging more points and assists than last season as well as fewer TOs while shooting roughly the same percentage from 3 (29.3% vs. 29.6%). Or were you talking about a different set of "all offensive measurables" that were "significantly worse?"

Interesting that you didn't comment on any of my other points in that post.

[mu-rara]

Fixed it for you.  We know he's got no midrange game, no pull up jumper, no 3-ball...and in other words...no pressure on the defense...certainly Derrick can get to the basket in transition situations, albeit usually with epic fail.

Dawson at lest puts pressure on the defense, and needs to be defended everywhere on the court - that in and of itself helps your team.

But no worries, you along with the others can continue to bury your head in the sand and point toward "leadership,' and the team not getting loose balls, and "lacking heart," to explain how this team is significantly worse in all offensive measurables, than any other team of Buzz's.  Sadly, being a good leader in basketball doesn't mean you can make a 3 point shot.

I have no particular beef with you but really.  Talk about stubborn.

You continue to focus on Dawson's offensive potential, yet he has not shown it consistently.  Freshman earn playing time with defense.  

I think Dawson will be a productive player at MU.  He has shown flashes of it.  He's a FRESHMAN.  He needs some salt.

I know this effort is p*ssing in the wind.  I am declaring a moratorium responding to Ners calls far Dawson to play more til the end of the season.

[NersEllenson]

There's a number of reasons why MU's offense has fallen off:

**The best guard MU had last year left for the draft and there hasn't been an adequate replacement
**The senior leadership has been spotty and inconsistent.
**There has not be a good replacement for Junior Cadougan at point.

See again, you are mixing the issues.  No one is saying Derrick Wilson is all-conference, or a good replacement for Junior Cadougan, or even better than average.  People are just saying that giving Dawson 30+ isn't the answer, but that if he does have the hot hand, that Buzz should ride him.

That's all.

Here's the point you and others fail to realize.  Did Dawson necessarily have "the hot hand" against Georgetown??  Not really.  But, Buzz stuck with him for 30...and it absolutely paid off in overtime.  My beef is that just because Dawson comes in most games of late for 2-4 minute stretches of action...and if he misses his first 1 or 2 shots - it doesn't mean he doesn't have the hot hand for the game.  Few guys can come into games immediately and be hot within 2-3 minutes of getting in a game.  Maybe Vinnie Johnson and Ricky Pierce back in the day...but they are the exception.

Dawson has very good form on his jumper...is shooting 83% from FT line....usually guys who can shoot FT's can shoot from the field and 3 point line as well.

For the 1000th time....my beef is Buzz has only given John 1 game of "real" playing time and it worked out well.  Perhaps Derrick and Jake are "safer" players than John and Todd - but safe doesn't win you basketball games.  Think Burton typically has one of the best +/- on the team, even though some get frustrated with him shooting so much....he forces action.

[GGGG]

Here's the point you and others fail to realize.  Did Dawson necessarily have "the hot hand" against Georgetown??  Not really.  But, Buzz stuck with him for 30...and it absolutely paid off in overtime.  My beef is that just because Dawson comes in most games of late for 2-4 minute stretches of action...and if he misses his first 1 or 2 shots - it doesn't mean he doesn't have the hot hand for the game.  Few guys can come into games immediately and be hot within 2-3 minutes of getting in a game.  Maybe Vinnie Johnson and Ricky Pierce back in the day...but they are the exception.

Attention Merritts:  15 minutes, 59 seconds.

[MerrittsMustache]

Attention Merritts:  15 minutes, 59 seconds.

I win! Or did you win?...Or did we all lose?

[GGGG]

I win! Or did you win?...Or did we all lose?

There are no winners on Scoop my friend.

[barfolomew]

Phillip Seymour Hoffman:heroine::Ners:Derrick Wilson

Did Phillip once portray Rosa Parks or Jane Eyre or something?
I'm so confused...

[MerrittsMustache]

Did Phillip once portray Rosa Parks or Jane Eyre or something?
I'm so confused...

Joan of Arc

[Ardmore Mug]

I think I have the answer...  EVERYONE just put NERS on IGNORE... No one will then reply to his repetitive posts.Then he will go away.. Then I won't have to read them either, when people box and quote him...    Just sayin'.....  

[MerrittsMustache]

I think I have the answer...  EVERYONE just put NERS on IGNORE... No one will then reply to his repetitive posts.Then he will go away.. Then I won't have to read them either, when people box and quote him...    Just sayin'.....  

Done!

[MU82]

But wait ... I thought St. Louis was supposed to be our blueprint!

[willie warrior]

There's a number of reasons why MU's offense has fallen off:

**The best guard MU had last year left for the draft and there hasn't been an adequate replacement
**The senior leadership has been spotty and inconsistent.
**There has not be a good replacement for Junior Cadougan at point.

See again, you are mixing the issues.  No one is saying Derrick Wilson is all-conference, or a good replacement for Junior Cadougan, or even better than average.  People are just saying that giving Dawson 30+ isn't the answer, but that if he does have the hot hand, that Buzz should ride him.

That's all.

Really trying to understand this Sultan. I am not advocating playing Dawson over derrick--they both have strengths and weaknesses. But you keep saying that playing Dawson 30 minutes plus is not the answer. I believe that has only come close to happening once with Dawson, and we won the game. Were there any other games that he played that much that we got our ass kicked? You also keep saying Buzz will go with who has the hot hand. To my recollection, Derrick may have had a hot hand once or twice this year--and never from distance. So how does all this work out according to you? Should not the split be more like 25 minutes to 15, roughly? Think you would agree that Dawson is definitely a better perimeter player/shooter than Derrick. Seems like Dawson should warrant more minutes on a regular basis. Not being sarcastic--just trying to understand your thoughts on this.

[GGGG]

I have said before that I think Derrick should start and play about 25 minutes and that Dawson should be his backup and play about 15.  And by "hot hand" I mean "better player." 

Against Georgetown and Xavier, that was clearly Dawson.  Against Providence, Butler and Nova, that was clearly Derrick. 

Just because we came back to win v. Georgetown with Dawson playing a lot doesn't mean Dawson playing a lot = a win.  Just like you can't come away from the Providence game saying "hey Derrick played a lot...and we won...therefore Derrick playing a lot equals a win."

River rat said it best in another thread.  Dawson will likely be better as a junior than Derrick is now.  But he's not a junior, and I just don't think he's better.