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Lennys Tap

Quote from: ecompt on February 01, 2014, 03:21:32 PM
For $2.8 million per, Buzz should have the balls to show up and tell us what went wrong.

If he just didn't show up I agree, but according to Homer it was because they had to vacate the area earlier than usual due to the second game of the doubleheader.

willie warrior

Quote from: forgetful on February 01, 2014, 02:10:53 PM
You need to actually closely watch the games.  Derrick (or when he was in Jake) were assigned Harrison.  I just went back and watched a good chunk of the 2nd half.  Derrick was the primary defender.  When he was the defender, Harrison did not score (similarly the end of the 2nd half with Jake...Harrison did not score).  During that time Harrison scored 12 points on 4 possessions.  All 4 were guarded by Freshman...why.

First scoring possession, box-outs/rebounding left Burton on Harrison, he let him drive straight to the hoop where a foul was committed on a lay-up.  2-2 on FTs.

Second scoring possession.  Transition possession.  Wilson is the first one back so picks up a guy near the baseline.  Harrison is late down the court so (Jujuan ends up on him).  Harrison makes a 3.

Third scoring possession.  Transition possession again, MU picks up in a 2-3.  Harrison is on Burton/Jujuan's side of the floor.  Burton follows a player away from his side (guessing he forgot it was a 2-3 zone), Harrison left open makes a wide open 3.

Fourth scoring possession.  Derrick picks him up at the half court line.  Harrison passes to the wing (Burton's guy), and runs behind the player.  Derrick tries to go with Harrison to stay on him, per the game plan.  Burton waves him off and calls for the switch.  Derrick has to go with it at this point.  Burton gets into poor position and does not get back to the shooter.  3-pt basket and foul...makes the FT.  12 points, none of which are on Derrick.

That is why scorer's score sometime with an elite defender.  Because of transition possessions and switches they will have opportunities to score on someone else.

But continue with your mantra of bad defense and who plays well by only looking at the box score.
I did watch the game. Derrick was on Harrison about the first 4 minutes or so. Then mayo was on him for quite a while and was torched. Dawson guarded him, Burton and even Jake. Derrick was taken off Harrison early in the first half.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

forgetful

Quote from: willie warrior on February 01, 2014, 03:38:57 PM
I did watch the game. Derrick was on Harrison about the first 4 minutes or so. Then mayo was on him for quite a while and was torched. Dawson guarded him, Burton and even Jake. Derrick was taken off Harrison early in the first half.

Harrison did not score in those first 4 minutes.  I do not remember when Dawson came in, but obviously if he is in the game Derrick is on the bench, so it only makes sense that someone else, Burton, Dawson, Mayo will have to guard Harrison.

Dawson saw a lot of action in the first half.  Most of the 11 1st half pts that Harrison scored came when Dawson was in the game (and Derrick was on the bench).  I can't give specific numbers because I did not record the first half, watched it live, and the play-by-play does not have substitutions up yet. 

You can't fault Derrick for defense when he is not in the game.  Also, defense is tiring, so they will from time to time switch primary defenders to get some rest, hence Jake taking (and shutting him down) Harrison for awhile in the 2nd half.

When Jake or Derrick were on Harrison they effectively shut him down completely.

ecompt

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2014, 03:30:49 PM
If he just didn't show up I agree, but according to Homer it was because they had to vacate the area earlier than usual due to the second game of the doubleheader.

Hopefully that was the case, but I remember Buzz peeing on the media in New Jersey a few years back after an equally poor performance.

mu_hilltopper

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2014, 03:30:49 PM
If he just didn't show up I agree, but according to Homer it was because they had to vacate the area earlier than usual due to the second game of the doubleheader.

Homer did say that .. but that's bogus.  Homer stayed on the air a good 30 minutes after the game, before they pulled the plug due to the next game.   Plenty of time for Buzz to get there.  He chose to prioritize his time otherwise.

willie warrior

Quote from: forgetful on February 01, 2014, 04:18:10 PM
Harrison did not score in those first 4 minutes.  I do not remember when Dawson came in, but obviously if he is in the game Derrick is on the bench, so it only makes sense that someone else, Burton, Dawson, Mayo will have to guard Harrison.

Dawson saw a lot of action in the first half.  Most of the 11 1st half pts that Harrison scored came when Dawson was in the game (and Derrick was on the bench).  I can't give specific numbers because I did not record the first half, watched it live, and the play-by-play does not have substitutions up yet. 

You can't fault Derrick for defense when he is not in the game.  Also, defense is tiring, so they will from time to time switch primary defenders to get some rest, hence Jake taking (and shutting him down) Harrison for awhile in the 2nd half.

When Jake or Derrick were on Harrison they effectively shut him down completely.
Reading is fundamental. I never faulted Derrick. I question why he was not on Harrison more as he is an "elite defender". Mayo, Burton, Dawson and jake spent most of the game on him.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

4everwarriors

Shoulda had our elite defender on Harrison all game long, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MUHoopsFan2

#33
Quote from: ecompt on February 01, 2014, 03:21:32 PM
For $2.8 million per, Buzz should have the balls to show up and tell us what went wrong.
For free didn't you watch the game yourself! What did you see!? He doesn't have to come tell us what went wrong. You have eyes.

Maybe he stayed in the locker room and saw fit to TELL AND COACH HIS TEAM ON WHAT WENT WRONG not us! For $2.8 mil I would have...and expect no less from him.  

That is more important. If you want to know what went wrong watch his hour long coaches show...with a game right after his he was not obligated to come out and tell us anything.

After all the fans are the real experts and couch coaches, you know what went wrong. ;)   

MUHoopsFan2

#34
Quote from: jsglow on February 01, 2014, 02:14:03 PM
Respectfully coach,  I watched every minute of the game.  I believe you could have had the courtesy to face Homer's questions after the game.  Thanks for listening.
LOL...what!? Courtesy? His courtesy is to his team! If he choose to spend it with his team, that is his job and that is more important. You will "talk" later.

Many are 'salt wound fans.' They Looooovvveee to rub salt in wounds when things go south. There was nothing that Buzz could have said that you didn't see.

In fact, instead of having Buzz come out every game they should have some of the players come out every once and awhile. Buzz has a show.

No offense on Buzz. I love listening to Buzz, and think he is one of the brightest minds in college bball. I could hear his views on hoops all night. But as an out for himself, he can send some players out there to do the after game interview.

They are the ones who played. Why does Buzz always have to face the music? But this game he is entitled to coach his team and stay in the locker room. It is crazy to expect him to come out after that with another game up next.

Use your head. Why didn't he send # 0 or #54 out to talk to Homer and Jim?  

Dawson Rental

You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 01, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
Don't worry, I'm sure Mike Hunt will give us a very comprehensive report.

See, I told you. I just took 38 seconds to read his game report today. It is full of quotes and insights. You can see he really took the time to ask the right questions.

Seriously, did he even notice that Jamil and a mayo didn't play a minute in the second half, or that Gardner really only got in when forced into action?

willie warrior

Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on February 02, 2014, 08:30:15 AM
LOL...what!? Courtesy? His courtesy is to his team! If he choose to spend it with his team, that is his job and that is more important. You will "talk" later.

Many are 'salt wound fans.' They Looooovvveee to rub salt in wounds when things go south. There was nothing that Buzz could have said that you didn't see.

In fact, instead of having Buzz come out every game they should have some of the players come out every once and awhile. Buzz has a show.

No offense on Buzz. I love listening to Buzz, and think he is one of the brightest minds in college bball. I could hear his views on hoops all night. But as an out for himself, he can send some players out there to do the after game interview.

They are the ones who played. Why does Buzz always have to face the music? But this game he is entitled to coach his team and stay in the locker room. It is crazy to expect him to come out after that with another game up next.

Use your head. Why didn't he send # 0 or #54 out to talk to Homer and Jim?  
Buzz faces no music. It is his way or the highway. Does not owe anything to the fans according to many on this board.
We all love listening to Buzz's downhome lonesome cowboy spiel. But you aren't going to hear it when mayhem is happening.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2014, 01:37:50 PM
Buzz faces no music. It is his way or the highway. Does not owe anything to the fans according to many on this board.
We all love listening to Buzz's downhome lonesome cowboy spiel. But you aren't going to hear it when mayhem is happening.

I've heard this from you many times. That Buzz "owes" the fans something. I've asked you before what exactly is owed to us but I haven't received an answer. The only thing I can think of is his best effort in coaching the team to victory and being an upstanding role model of the university. I feel like you think there is more that is "owed"
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TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


willie warrior

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2014, 11:54:46 PM
I've heard this from you many times. That Buzz "owes" the fans something. I've asked you before what exactly is owed to us but I haven't received an answer. The only thing I can think of is his best effort in coaching the team to victory and being an upstanding role model of the university. I feel like you think there is more that is "owed"
Explanations. Not excuses like 1.6 transfers; or "We" decided the RS for Duane was in everybody's best interest (now there is a safe statement--sorta like, we need to pass it to find out what is in it). When Buzz feels like not saying anything he does not. IMO, he owes the fans more as HC.  By the way, how is that best effort in coaching the team working out this year? Other examples: Why did McKay transfer? What happened with Newbill? And the list goes on. Buzz needs to let us know what is going on. But then, if there are things that are not flattering to the image, it is best to not say anything.
So IMO he does owe the fans something. Others must think so also, judging by the comments about his no show at the post game presser. If you have a different opinion, fine. There I gave you an explanation---EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE NOT OWED ONE!!!!!!
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: willie warrior on February 03, 2014, 12:12:01 PM
Buzz needs to let us know what is going on.

Why? That's the question you haven't answered. That's a great list of things you'd like to know, but the question is, why does he owe you those answers? Why does he need to et us know what's going on.

mu03eng

Quote from: willie warrior on February 03, 2014, 12:12:01 PM
Explanations. Not excuses like 1.6 transfers; or "We" decided the RS for Duane was in everybody's best interest (now there is a safe statement--sorta like, we need to pass it to find out what is in it). When Buzz feels like not saying anything he does not. IMO, he owes the fans more as HC.  By the way, how is that best effort in coaching the team working out this year? Other examples: Why did McKay transfer? What happened with Newbill? And the list goes on. Buzz needs to let us know what is going on. But then, if there are things that are not flattering to the image, it is best to not say anything.
So IMO he does owe the fans something. Others must think so also, judging by the comments about his no show at the post game presser. If you have a different opinion, fine. There I gave you an explanation---EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE NOT OWED ONE!!!!!!

Do you have any idea how this compares to other coaches in Div 1?  Your standard is insanely high and quite frankly Buzz provides more clarity and insight than any other coach I've seen.  Just because you want to know the intimate details of how a RS was arrived at doesn't mean he should or even can provide that to you.

Side note, didn't Buzz no show a post game interview after an MU loss at Seton Hall or Providence?  I think they went on to be a 6th seed in the tourney, but Buzz decided he wanted to have a heart to heart with the team.  I suspect the same thing went on here.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

ATWizJr

Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2014, 12:28:48 PM
Do you have any idea how this compares to other coaches in Div 1?  Your standard is insanely high and quite frankly Buzz provides more clarity and insight than any other coach I've seen.  Just because you want to know the intimate details of how a RS was arrived at doesn't mean he should or even can provide that to you.

Side note, didn't Buzz no show a post game interview after an MU loss at Seton Hall or Providence?  I think they went on to be a 6th seed in the tourney, but Buzz decided he wanted to have a heart to heart with the team.  I suspect the same thing went on here.
Buzz's show with Homer should be interesting.  Esp. if we have another bad effort tomorrow.

mu03eng

Quote from: ATWizJr on February 03, 2014, 01:02:26 PM
Buzz's show with Homer should be interesting.  Esp. if we have another bad effort tomorrow.

Tomorrow will definitely be the tell.  I'm curious to see the line-up and who gets the most minutes.  Clearly Buzz benched JWil, Mayo, and partially Gardner.  It will be interesting to see if that message carries over or if the players get it.  Butler is a team they should beat at home pretty handily so could be a very interesting coaches show on Wednesday.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

willie warrior

Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2014, 12:28:48 PM
Do you have any idea how this compares to other coaches in Div 1?  Your standard is insanely high and quite frankly Buzz provides more clarity and insight than any other coach I've seen.  Just because you want to know the intimate details of how a RS was arrived at doesn't mean he should or even can provide that to you.

Side note, didn't Buzz no show a post game interview after an MU loss at Seton Hall or Providence?  I think they went on to be a 6th seed in the tourney, but Buzz decided he wanted to have a heart to heart with the team.  I suspect the same thing went on here.
Do you? And sorry, but I disagree with your perception about clarity. He has not addressed the Du. Wilson issue satisfactorily. I used that as on example in response to your prior question. Do you really believe that comments such as De. Wilson is an elite defender, a game changer, and the best defender he has ever coached, when the contrary has shown through this year. Might as well agree to disagree on the great communication skills of Buzz.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: willie warrior on February 03, 2014, 02:58:12 PM
Do you? And sorry, but I disagree with your perception about clarity. He has not addressed the Du. Wilson issue satisfactorily.

Again, according to what standard exactly, and why are you entitled to determine that standard? You've been clear about what you feel you are owed, what you can't seem to explain is why you feel you are owed it.

brandx

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 03, 2014, 12:19:50 PM
Why? That's the question you haven't answered. That's a great list of things you'd like to know, but the question is, why does he owe you those answers? Why does he need to et us know what's going on.

+1000

willie warrior

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 03, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Again, according to what standard exactly, and why are you entitled to determine that standard? You've been clear about what you feel you are owed, what you can't seem to explain is why you feel you are owed it.
Did that already in several posts--but sorry you are not satisfied. And just like Buzz, you do not need further explanation. You are simply disgruntled that I do not agree with your view.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

jesmu84

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 03, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Again, according to what standard exactly, and why are you entitled to determine that standard? You've been clear about what you feel you are owed, what you can't seem to explain is why you feel you are owed it.

I would actually like examples of other coaches/programs where the "owed" or "fully explained" information was presented. That way, we all might, understand a little better.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: willie warrior on February 03, 2014, 12:12:01 PM
Explanations. Not excuses like 1.6 transfers; or "We" decided the RS for Duane was in everybody's best interest (now there is a safe statement--sorta like, we need to pass it to find out what is in it). When Buzz feels like not saying anything he does not. IMO, he owes the fans more as HC.  By the way, how is that best effort in coaching the team working out this year? Other examples: Why did McKay transfer? What happened with Newbill? And the list goes on. Buzz needs to let us know what is going on. But then, if there are things that are not flattering to the image, it is best to not say anything.
So IMO he does owe the fans something. Others must think so also, judging by the comments about his no show at the post game presser. If you have a different opinion, fine. There I gave you an explanation---EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE NOT OWED ONE!!!!!!

Just so you know, Buzz is not allowed to comment on specifics when it comes to non-players such as McKay and Newbill. Duane he could have commented on but it is possible that Duane asked him not to. Or its possible that everything he said "redshirt is in Duane's and program's best interest" is all there is to it.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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