no pun intended...

[MerrittsMustache]

What "summer Elite Camps" were these? What stats are you speaking about?

You guys are making stuff up.

According to a Rosiak article in February of 2010, Newbill's high school coach stated: "At the Elite camp he showed Vander Blue that he can compete with the best in the nation. He really played well against Vander Blue."

There you have it directly from an unbiased source!

[jesmu84]

Nice year overall this year.. inconsistent though. He followed up the Illini game (in which he was ejected after igniting a bench clearing dust up by throwing a sucker punch at K-Nunn) with a 0 point, 0 assist, 0 rebound, 3 turnover, 5 foul performance at home in a 3 point loss to Minnesota.

But if you want to crown him...

Jay Bee, don't you know we live in a "what have you done for me lately" society? It's not really a wonder that phillycoach wasn't creating new posts on a Marquette message board after the illinois game or the minnesota game.

[willie warrior]

Yo PC, the cat will be takin' his talents to the Association.

Ah yes, Newbill--another to add to the tally of Buzz's recruiting lapses.

[NersEllenson]

According to a Rosiak article in February of 2010, Newbill's high school coach stated: "At the Elite camp he showed Vander Blue that he can compete with the best in the nation. He really played well against Vander Blue."

There you have it directly from an unbiased source!

Well, he definitely outplayed Vander at the NCAA Division 1 level when both were freshman in 2010-2011....and it wasn't even close!!  No bias in these numbers, and I think they are supportive of the fact that it is totally conceivable that DJ would have showed well/played well against Vander in Elite Camp as his coach reported..

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=devonte-newbill&devonte-newbill=2010-2011&p1=vander-blue&vander-blue=2010-2011

[g0lden3agle]

Ah yes, Newbill--another to add to the tally of Buzz's recruiting lapses.

Man willie guys like you play the what if game so much it's amazing you even have time for the here and now...

[MerrittsMustache]

Well, he definitely outplayed Vander at the NCAA Division 1 level when both were freshman in 2010-2011....and it wasn't even close!!  No bias in these numbers, and I think they are supportive of the fact that it is totally conceivable that DJ would have showed well/played well against Vander in Elite Camp as his coach reported..

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=devonte-newbill&devonte-newbill=2010-2011&p1=vander-blue&vander-blue=2010-2011

Did Newbill have 4 perimeter-playing upperclassmen who were future NBA players on that team with him?

[reinko]

Good frackin' christ do I hope we win tonight.  This board has gotten coo coo bad in the past few days.  Not, bummed out we have been losing bad...like bad bad.  And by bad bad, I mean like woah, yumma humma, terrible.

[NersEllenson]

Did Newbill have 4 perimeter-playing upperclassmen who were future NBA players on that team with him?

Nope...Newbill did not.  Just looking at FG percentages from the 1, 2 and 3 line - pretty big difference between Van and Newbill as freshman.  Not to mention Van had the benefit of playing with 4 future NBA players..and was defended as an afterthought.

If you want to say Van was good/decent as a freshman...that's fine...wouldn't surprise me given our latest debate on another player on current team....but...Vander was pretty bad as a freshman, any way you want to slice it.  You'd think playing alongside 4 future NBA'ers, he'd have been able to perform better...

[Jay Bee]

Well, he definitely outplayed Vander at the NCAA Division 1 level when both were freshman in 2010-2011....and it wasn't even close!!  No bias in these numbers, and I think they are supportive of the fact that it is totally conceivable that DJ would have showed well/played well against Vander in Elite Camp as his coach reported..

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=devonte-newbill&devonte-newbill=2010-2011&p1=vander-blue&vander-blue=2010-2011

Stop changing the story. I asked what stats you were referring to ("His stats certainly showed he was a more polished advanced prospect than Vander") and what Elite Camp you were referring to that indicated he outplayed Van. You don't have a good answer for either.

BTW, Newbill's defense as a frosh was bad. He shot well but rarely shot (13.5 %Shots). A 13.5 %Shots guy that is playing poor defense doesn't fit my definition of a polished advanced prospect, but...

BTW, as freshmen.. Vander vs. Newbill's block %, steal % and fouls called / 40..
Van 1.2, 2.7, 3.8 fouls
Newbill 0.4, 1.5, 3.6 fouls

As sophomores (while Newbill was a year older) the performances weren't anywhere near similar.. Vander by miles (2.14 value add ex PER vs. 0.23). And so far, the Junior season comparisons... again with Newbill a year older in his Jr season --> value add ex PER, Van 3.44, Newbill 2.07.

Same age.. one left school after an elite eight (and two sweet sixteens) and is playing in the NBA... the other is helping Penn State try to improve on their 2-16 performance with him as the main man a year ago... so far, pretty good. 2 wins, but still in the Big Ten's basement.

No bias in the facts, but numbers and circumstances must be understood.

[MerrittsMustache]

Nope...Newbill did not.  Just looking at FG percentages from the 1, 2 and 3 line - pretty big difference between Van and Newbill as freshman.  Not to mention Van had the benefit of playing with 4 future NBA players..and was defended as an afterthought.

If you want to say Van was good/decent as a freshman...that's fine...wouldn't surprise me given our latest debate on another player on current team....but...Vander was pretty bad as a freshman, any way you want to slice it.  You'd think playing alongside 4 future NBA'ers, he'd have been able to perform better...

Yes, with those 4 future NBA players taking nearly 70% of the team's FG attempts and accounting for over 60% of the rebounds, assists and steals, I'm surprised the role-playing freshman didn't put up bigger numbers  

[Hards Alumni]

Love these sort of threads.  People get buried, but instead of just admitting they were wrong, they dig in their heels.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Uh. No.

I think he will play pro ball, whether it is NBDL, NBA, or Europe, he will get paid to play ball at the next level.  Feel free to disagree, which you have.

[reinko]

I think he will play pro ball, whether it is NBDL, NBA, or Europe, he will get paid to play ball at the next level.  Feel free to disagree, which you have.

Well, you did call him stud, then fawn how he will play at the next level, which most folks tend to mean the Association.  But, not a big shocker he could play in Europe, so did Niv Berkowitz.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well, you did call him stud, then fawn how he will play at the next level, which most folks tend to mean the Association.  But, not a big shocker he could play in Europe, so did Niv Berkowitz.

I think one poster specifically said association.  I said next level.  I'm not going to predict which level, but I do feel he will get paid to play basketball at the next level.  Nice player.  He doesn't have the talent around him like other programs in the Big Ten do, the opposition keys on him every game and he still puts up some very nice numbers in arguably one of the top 2 toughest conferences in the country. 

[NersEllenson]

Stop changing the story. I asked what stats you were referring to ("His stats certainly showed he was a more polished advanced prospect than Vander") and what Elite Camp you were referring to that indicated he outplayed Van. You don't have a good answer for either.

BTW, Newbill's defense as a frosh was bad. He shot well but rarely shot (13.5 %Shots). A 13.5 %Shots guy that is playing poor defense doesn't fit my definition of a polished advanced prospect, but...

BTW, as freshmen.. Vander vs. Newbill's block %, steal % and fouls called / 40..
Van 1.2, 2.7, 3.8 fouls
Newbill 0.4, 1.5, 3.6 fouls

As sophomores (while Newbill was a year older) the performances weren't anywhere near similar.. Vander by miles (2.14 value add ex PER vs. 0.23). And so far, the Junior season comparisons... again with Newbill a year older in his Jr season --> value add ex PER, Van 3.44, Newbill 2.07.

Same age.. one left school after an elite eight (and two sweet sixteens) and is playing in the NBA... the other is helping Penn State try to improve on their 2-16 performance with him as the main man a year ago... so far, pretty good. 2 wins, but still in the Big Ten's basement.

No bias in the facts, but numbers and circumstances must be understood.

Freshman year stats...he was much better than Blue....twist them in anyway you want to try to fit your narrative - going to PER...Vander played with 4 NBA players as Merritt wrote...think he was any kind of focus?!  He was awful as a freshman.

As for the other defensive stats you throw out - I'm sure that .8% block differential and 1.2% steal differential far and way made Vander much more valuable to his team, even while shooting a significantly worse percentage from 1, 2 and 3 pt.  Not to mention Newbill rebounded at a MUCH better rate. 
As for the Elite Camp - it was MU's Summer Elite Camp in 2010 I was referencing.

How about this - want to wager as to who will have a better NBA career based - Newbill or Vander?  You already have a head start in that Vander has gotten a 10-day contract..

[GGGG]

Ners, you're getting owned again.  Please stop for the sake of the children.

[Hards Alumni]

Freshman year stats...he was much better than Blue....twist them in anyway you want to try to fit your narrative - going to PER...Vander played with 4 NBA players as Merritt wrote...think he was any kind of focus?!  He was awful as a freshman.

As for the other defensive stats you throw out - I'm sure that .8% block differential and 1.2% steal differential far and way made Vander much more valuable to his team, even while shooting a significantly worse percentage from 1, 2 and 3 pt.  Not to mention Newbill rebounded at a MUCH better rate. 
As for the Elite Camp - it was MU's Summer Elite Camp in 2010 I was referencing.

How about this - want to wager as to who will have a better NBA career based - Newbill or Vander?  You already have a head start in that Vander has gotten a 10-day contract..

I'll take that bet.  What would you like to wager and when shall we judge it?

[reinko]

I'll take that bet.  What would you like to wager and when shall we judge it?

Please bet a lifetime ban of posting.

[Hards Alumni]

Please bet a lifetime ban of posting.

No way he would take that bet.

[BallBoy]

I think one poster specifically said association.  I said next level.  I'm not going to predict which level, but I do feel he will get paid to play basketball at the next level.  Nice player.  He doesn't have the talent around him like other programs in the Big Ten do, the opposition keys on him every game and he still puts up some very nice numbers in arguably one of the top 2 toughest conferences in the country. 

It is a pointless discussion if you aren't stating the NBA.  There have been too many players in D1 that have played in Europe with worse careers.  The going in assumption is that he will play professionally unless he gets hurt or decides to turn something down. 

Right now, draft express does not include him on the list but it is still early.  This game against OSU will help get him some attention but he needs to have a very good senior year to make it. 

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2015/

[Jay Bee]

How about this - want to wager as to who will have a better NBA career based - Newbill or Vander?  You already have a head start in that Vander has gotten a 10-day contract..

Sure, I can pay you in 20 years when Newbill retires after an illustrious NBA career.

It's not relevant to your nonsense & I have given no though on the subject, but sure. Just bc you're yapping let's make that bet (for 50?).

[GGGG]

Getting back to the subject at hand, I would like to hear from Philly Coach why Newbill never applied to MU. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Freshman year stats...he was much better than Blue....twist them in anyway you want to try to fit your narrative - going to PER...Vander played with 4 NBA players as Merritt wrote...think he was any kind of focus?!  He was awful as a freshman.

As for the other defensive stats you throw out - I'm sure that .8% block differential and 1.2% steal differential far and way made Vander much more valuable to his team, even while shooting a significantly worse percentage from 1, 2 and 3 pt.  Not to mention Newbill rebounded at a MUCH better rate. 
As for the Elite Camp - it was MU's Summer Elite Camp in 2010 I was referencing.

How about this - want to wager as to who will have a better NBA career based - Newbill or Vander?  You already have a head start in that Vander has gotten a 10-day contract..

Ners...you aren't going to win this one. Besides shooting, Blue beat Newbill in every category. That's based on percentages, not per game, because Newbill got a lot more minutes. Why did he get more minutes? Because he played for Southern fricking Mississippi. A decent mid-major in CUSA. The defenses he was facing didn't exactly match what Vander was facing in the old Big East

[PhillyCoach]

Dj was prepared to submit his app. When arrived on campus after graduation.  A week before his departure for mu and a few days after a college send party ie trunk party. I was notified by then asst coach scott monarch that buzz want to go in a different direction and that dj should ask mu for a release of his schollie and nli so he may find another school. This was also in the Philadelphia daily news paper.

[Jay Bee]

Dj was prepared to submit his app. When arrived on campus after graduation. 

The question was why didn't he submit his application.

When you say he was prepared to "submit his app." does that mean it was completed but for some reason he was holding onto it or does it mean that he was willing to submit his application eventually (which is the equivalent of saying nothing)?

Does "When arrived on campus after graduation" mean he was willing to submit his application once he arrived on campus at Marquette? Again, the question is... why didn't he submit his application?

Something isn't making sense.