Buzz Radio Show Recap from Tonight

[NersEllenson]

What's the outcome if he gives Dawson more playing time and they still lose?

That's exactly part of my argument - the outcome basically wouldn't be any different WORSE (edited) than the 10-9 record Derrick has led us to in the 19 games he's gotten 20+ - with one win over a Top 50 team. Why not see what your freshman's got??

We've seen 19 games, that's a relevant sample size. My point about sample size, has been with regard to playing time - you cannot make a whole lot of assessments on a guy when he gets 2-3 stints of 2-3 minutes of playing time rolled up into 9 minutes.  We have 1 data point of what happens when Dawson plays 30 minutes and long stretches of run....and he DID take over in Overtime and essentially win the game...showed poise. He's tripled the number of 3 points shots Derrick has made in his career as a Junior through 20 games...in just 10 games played as a freshman.  These aren't some made up b.s. stats..they are facts.

I feel confident saying this team will finish no better than 6-5 from here on out, if Derrick continues to get 28+ minutes per game.  Just doubt it would be worse than that with Dawson getting 30....and you are developing a prospect for the future, and getting a sense of what he can bring to next year's team.

[bradley center bat]

Touche' im on your team!

We should go to Miluwakee to see the Senior Day Game against St Johns.

We can all meet up, First round on me to quait the pain of this dissapointing season and hopeful N.I.T. Birth.

I'm at every game!! Will be at Major's G. at 4:15pm!

[brandx]

Time for a little perspective on this issue - it isn't just Buzz that is stubborn:

Scott Brooks benched Kendrick Perkins and the Thunder walloped the Heat.  I've never seen anything like this in sport, where an entire community has focused in on one specific issue almost to consensus with all the data and eye-tests one could imagine to support the conclusion – Perk needed to go.  Now there are still some in the media that have yet to concede the overall impact the Brooks-Perkins-Durant issue has had on their championship aspirations, and they're all complicit in this from top to bottom.  They decided a long time ago to ride or die with Perkins, and later with Derek Fisher, andit has wasted a three-year championship window for a potential top 5-10 player of all time in Durant.

But as the saying goes, 'better late than never.'

Brooks was careful to say that this was a one-game thing but at least we know he's capable of making the move now, and I can officially put them on my list of teams that has a chance at the title in June.  f the Thunder can find a way to lay off their veteran crutch and get real threats in Reggie Jackson (nine points, three rebounds, four assists, two steals, one three) and Jeremy Lamb (18 points, 7-of-10 FGs, four treys, three boards, four assists, 35 minutes) comfortable before the playoffs then I could start to get behind them in the West.

[LloydMooresLegs]

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  Re: Buzz Radio Show Recap from Tonight
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Quote from: Nevada233 on January 29, 2014, 08:34:04 PM
If anyone ever said your you're not a good guy.. Their They're a Liar.. I honestly like going back and forth with you....

you never back down... lol.. keep it consistent Sultan!


FIFY.  I know this is a message board and some of the people on here may still be in college or even younger, but did they stop teaching remedial English to middle school kids?  Typos are one thing for a message board, but I find it hard to believe that people who are either at MU or have graduated from MU are this bad with English.

SO, BACK TO THE REMEDIAL ENGLISH...

RATHER THAN SUGGESTING "THEY'RE" AS A SUBSTITUTE, WHICH RESULTS IN MIS-MATCHING A PLURAL PRONOUN (THEY) WITH A SINGULAR ANTECENDENT (ANYONE), I SUGGEST USING "HE'S" (WITH APOLOGIES TO MELLISAMOOTH AND WARRIORCHICK, I BELIEVE THAT THE USE OF "HE" IS NOT ONLY PERMITTTED, BUT ALSO PROPER IN THIS TESTOSTERONE FILLED MESSAGE BOARD CONTEXT).

[jesmu84]

That's exactly part of my argument - the outcome basically wouldn't be any different WORSE (edited) than the 10-9 record Derrick has led us to in the 19 games he's gotten 20+ - with one win over a Top 50 team. Why not see what your freshman's got??

We've seen 19 games, that's a relevant sample size. My point about sample size, has been with regard to playing time - you cannot make a whole lot of assessments on a guy when he gets 2-3 stints of 2-3 minutes of playing time rolled up into 9 minutes.  We have 1 data point of what happens when Dawson plays 30 minutes and long stretches of run....and he DID take over in Overtime and essentially win the game...showed poise. He's tripled the number of 3 points shots Derrick has made in his career as a Junior through 20 games...in just 10 games played as a freshman.  These aren't some made up b.s. stats..they are facts.

I feel confident saying this team will finish no better than 6-5 from here on out, if Derrick continues to get 28+ minutes per game.  Just doubt it would be worse than that with Dawson getting 30....and you are developing a prospect for the future, and getting a sense of what he can bring to next year's team.

Because unless Dawson is playing very well early in his minutes, Buzz believes that Derrick puts us in the best position to have a good outcome at the end of the game. That's all there is. That's all that matters. Buzz believes it.

[NersEllenson]

Because unless Dawson is playing very well early in his minutes, Buzz believes that Derrick puts us in the best position to have a good outcome at the end of the game. That's all there is. That's all that matters. Buzz believes it.

True.  Just seems hard to believe when that belief hasn't been paid off one time yet with a win (against a team of any substance)....and the one time you put belief in the alternative...you are rewarded with a win.

But....regardless....should be fun to see what happens from here on out.

[brandx]

Bottom line is that games are won and lost based on talented players on the floor. Bobby Knight may have been a great coach - but he went undefeated ONLY when 4 of his 5 starters were NBA players.

For whatever reason, we are not playing our most talented players. A simple eye test confirms that.

[Henry Sugar]

SO, BACK TO THE REMEDIAL ENGLISH...

RATHER THAN SUGGESTING "THEY'RE" AS A SUBSTITUTE, WHICH RESULTS IN MIS-MATCHING A PLURAL PRONOUN (THEY) WITH A SINGULAR ANTECENDENT (ANYONE), I SUGGEST USING "HE'S" (WITH APOLOGIES TO MELLISAMOOTH AND WARRIORCHICK, I BELIEVE THAT THE USE OF "HE" IS NOT ONLY PERMITTTED, BUT ALSO PROPER IN THIS TESTOSTERONE FILLED MESSAGE BOARD CONTEXT).

I like how you did this in all capitalized letters. That was a nice touch.

[willie warrior]

Bottom line is that games are won and lost based on talented players on the floor. Bobby Knight may have been a great coach - but he went undefeated ONLY when 4 of his 5 starters were NBA players.

For whatever reason, we are not playing our most talented players. A simple eye test confirms that.

What you are missing here: Bobby recruited those players and played them. Buzz says over and over he is playing the most talented.

[Tums Festival]

The best defensive guard I've seen at Marquette during and since my student years was Mandy Johnson, hands down. He used his quickness to shut down guys that were bigger and taller on a regular basis.

Derrick Wilson is nowhere near Mandy Johnson.

[Goose]

Heavy

Mandy sure could play D. For a guy who can dribble worth a lick he was very productive PG. I am not sure he was best, but definitely high on the list. Doc, Michael Wilson and D James were quite solid defenders.

[LloydMooresLegs]

I like how you did this in all capitalized letters. That was a nice touch.

when correcting grammar, leave as little to chance as possible...including errors in capitalization

[The Equalizer]

Buzz believes that the players who are currently seeing the most floor time are the players who put this team in the best position to win. That's the key phrase.

Go back to the first post in the thread.  Buzz is quoted saying:
"Jake gives 100% at all times on both ends of the court . . . which is what's being rewarded"

Note that he's absolutely not saying "Jake gives us the best chance to win."  

In fact, reading between the lines, he's justifying his reasons for playing Jake ahead of the players that might give us a better chance to win.

You can distill all these threads down to this: the perception of many here is that we have better players who ride the bench and if played more would put us in a better position to win.  And Buzz has been quoted saying things that support the belief that he just can't bring himself to play them becuase he doesn't think they give 100% at all times, or they don't work hard enough in practice, or they fail to measure up to some indefinable 'earning' threshold.

And instead of simply admitting that there might be some merit to this thought, we have to go through some version of "Well, nyahh nyhah, Buzz knows more than you" or "How dare you question the One. He's been to the Elite Eight therefore can't be questioned."

Can anyone reasonably refute the observation that we've won in the past despite Buzz's eccentricities when it comes to decisions over playing time or X's and O's--not becuase of them?  Something with more depth than "Shut up because Buzz won before" or "You're wrong because I trust in Buzz".

Perhaps we've won in the past only because we've had NBA-level talent--Butler, Crowder, Buycks, Matthews, Blue.  Without such talent Buzz is merely average at the Xs and Os, susceptible to being outcoached on any given night by the likes of Chris Mack or Herb Sendek or Brandon Miller or Craig Neal.

[GGGG]

Equalizer, if you listened to the entire interview, it gave a little more nuance than the simple quote.

What he said was that this was a team that lacks consistency.  That he tries to give everyone time to see what they can do, and if it looks to be their night, he will ride them.  He mentioned Dawson and Taylor specifically in that regard.

But if no one steps up, he is going with the guys that he trusts more on the defensive end.  I don't recall if he said "best position to win,"  but perhaps it was obvious.  He did mention something about not wanting to lose games in regards to the freshmen playing more, but perhaps I'm not remembering it right.

Listen to the interview.  It makes much more sense then a few quotes here and there.

[MerrittsMustache]

Go back to the first post in the thread.  Buzz is quoted saying:
"Jake gives 100% at all times on both ends of the court . . . which is what's being rewarded"

Note that he's absolutely not saying "Jake gives us the best chance to win."  

In fact, reading between the lines, he's justifying his reasons for playing Jake ahead of the players that might give us a better chance to win.

You can distill all these threads down to this: the perception of many here is that we have better players who ride the bench and if played more would put us in a better position to win.  And Buzz has been quoted saying things that support the belief that he just can't bring himself to play them becuase he doesn't think they give 100% at all times, or they don't work hard enough in practice, or they fail to measure up to some indefinable 'earning' threshold.

Reading between the lines, one could also infer that Buzz believes that players who give 100% at all times are the ones who give the team the best chance to win because the team can't afford that 1% or 5% or 20% lack of effort.

I never bought into the whole "he needs to practice well to play" notion. Buzz all but flat-out said that Cadougan wasn't a good practice player and that Gardner isn't a good practice player and he lauded Jamail Jones' effort and engagement in practice. Did the minutes reflect that only players who practice well get to play?

[Tums Festival]

The best defensive guard I've seen at Marquette during and since my student years was Mandy Johnson, hands down. He used his quickness to shut down guys that were bigger and taller on a regular basis.

Derrick Wilson is nowhere near Mandy Johnson.

Goose-
They were all really good. By his senior year, Mandy was lock down.

[Goose]

Heavy

Agreed on Mandy being lockdown defender. Plus, we were in almost every class together so I have soft spot for the kid from Jersey.

[Lighthouse 84]

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[Lighthouse 84]

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  Re: Buzz Radio Show Recap from Tonight
« Reply #50 on: Today at 08:02:17 AM » Quote  

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Quote from: Nevada233 on January 29, 2014, 08:34:04 PM
If anyone ever said your you're not a good guy.. Their They're a Liar.. I honestly like going back and forth with you....

you never back down... lol.. keep it consistent Sultan!


FIFY.  I know this is a message board and some of the people on here may still be in college or even younger, but did they stop teaching remedial English to middle school kids?  Typos are one thing for a message board, but I find it hard to believe that people who are either at MU or have graduated from MU are this bad with English.

SO, BACK TO THE REMEDIAL ENGLISH...

RATHER THAN SUGGESTING "THEY'RE" AS A SUBSTITUTE, WHICH RESULTS IN MIS-MATCHING A PLURAL PRONOUN (THEY) WITH A SINGULAR ANTECENDENT (ANYONE), I SUGGEST USING "HE'S" (WITH APOLOGIES TO MELLISAMOOTH AND WARRIORCHICK, I BELIEVE THAT THE USE OF "HE" IS NOT ONLY PERMITTTED, BUT ALSO PROPER IN THIS TESTOSTERONE FILLED MESSAGE BOARD CONTEXT).

Great point, though spell check would have corrected ANTECENDENT to ANTECEDENT.  Otherwise, thanks for the correction. 

[GooooMarquette]

I'm a pro-Dawson guy, but I wish people would stop with the loyalty talk.  Other than his family, winning is first and foremost on Buzz's mind.  Buzz cares more about winning basketball games than anything else (see Newbill threads).  Buzz plays Derrick because Derrick gives us the best chance to win *right now*.  I agree. 

The disagreement that I have is that winning right now is essentially meaningless.  We need to focus on the BET and next season.  Otherwise, we are going to run in to the same problems next year.  Playing to win right now is a little too short-sighted IMO.

If Buzz gives us less of a chance to in now because "winning is essentially meaningless," what does that say to the seniors, who I'd guess still want to win every game they can?  In fact, what does that say to the whole team?  If you think you're "out of it" for the season and play for next year...why wouldn't players think this also applies within games -- if you think you're out of a game, save yourself for the next one?  If Buzz coached with that attitude, how likely is it that we'd have had the miracle comeback against Davidson?

Buzz has always been a "win this possession," "win this game" sort of guy...and it has served us quite well over his tenure.  IMHO it would cause a seismic shift in the players' attitudes if he suddenly stopped playing the guys who give us the bast chance to win now...with the hopes that maybe the new guys will be good enough to win in March.

[4everwarriors]

Heavy

Agreed on Mandy being lockdown defender. Plus, we were in almost every class together so I have soft spot for the kid from Jersey.

Couldn't go wrong if ya followed Hank in the Old Gym with the players at 7 am Monday morning pickin' up IBM class registration cards. He knew to guide them to the most favorable profs.

[willie warrior]

The best defensive guard I've seen at Marquette during and since my student years was Mandy Johnson, hands down. He used his quickness to shut down guys that were bigger and taller on a regular basis.

Derrick Wilson is nowhere near Mandy Johnson.

That is absolutely 100 % correct. Mandy was the Sultan of steals.

[Goose]

4ever

With that "special" guidance it still took me 8 years to get out. Very much appreciate the help the program gave to me back in the day. Will say having Reason, Sir Walter, Mandy and DJ in all my classes made me question my major from time to time.

[willie warrior]

4ever

With that "special" guidance it still took me 8 years to get out. Very much appreciate the help the program gave to me back in the day. Will say having Reason, Sir Walter, Mandy and DJ in all my classes made me question my major from time to time.

Terry "Hair" Reason; Walter Downing; Mandy Johnson and Duane Johnson. Now there are some blasts from the past.

[4everwarriors]

Jimmy, Black Swan, Sugar, Marcus, Allie, Luke, Spychalla, and the student manager, JC, regularly graced my liberal arts classes, sans science. I'm no idiot.