Villanova thoughts

[tower912]

1.   This team never quits.   Kudos.   All a fan can ask for.
2.   Oxtule is not working.   Particularly against a guard oriented team like Nova.   That is on you, buzz
3.   Gift call at the end of regulation.   Refs spent the entire overtime compensating.
4.   Good to see Jamil attacking.   Wish he played smarter.   Throwing the ball into the defender when Gardner had him pinned?   C'mon, man. 
5.   Todd has no fear.  Wish he played like this every night.
6.   Bad pick and roll defense all game.   Poor communication, poor help, poor rotations.  I kept flashing back to Jerel in MSG.  Back door after back door.  But Nova does move the ball really well.
7.   Can't pull close and miss back to back front ends of 1-1's.   Particularly when you then give up a fast break lay up.
8.   Jake, you are a shooter.   Shoot. 
9.   MU has missed Steve Taylor, more than we realized.   Time to start him.   
10.   The last 5 years, MU has found  a way to  win games like this.  This year, it all evens out.  No magic.    Frustrating.   

[mileskishnish72]

Like his effort and pluck, but Jake needs to go.

[brandx]

A couple questions. I got home late and only saw the OT.

1. Did Dawson foul out

2. As their PG ran wild in OT, why wasn't our defensive specialist PG guarding him? Why is he even in the game if not for his defense?

[PGsHeroes32]

I think the thoughts are simple.

Jake, Chris and Derrick should rarely see the floor

Davante, Jamil and Todd should rarely see the bench

[Nevada233]

A couple questions. I got home late and only saw the OT.

1. Did Dawson foul out

2. As their PG ran wild in OT, why wasn't our defensive specialist PG guarding him? Why is he even in the game if not for his defense?

Nope had one foul... Got glued to the benched

[downtown85]

I think the thoughts are simple.

Jake, Chris and Derrick should rarely see the floor

Davante, Jamil and Todd should rarely see the bench

This:

PG: Dawson
SG:Mayo
SF: J. Wilson
PF: Taylor
C: Gartner

I don't care who starts but these should see the majority of minutes.

[JWags85]

I think the thoughts are simple.

Jake, Chris and Derrick should rarely see the floor

Davante, Jamil and Todd should rarely see the bench

Then they should clap more enthusiastically in practice. Buzz is too far in his own head

[mileskishnish72]

I've got to be honest - Derrick making his usual safe passes on the outside as time ticked away pissed me off. Tell me JD was hurt.

[BallBoy]

A couple questions. I got home late and only saw the OT.

1. Did Dawson foul out

2. As their PG ran wild in OT, why wasn't our defensive specialist PG guarding him? Why is he even in the game if not for his defense?

This is so humorous.  The GUY everyone says should start at 2G because of his offensive skills got taken in OT yet it was another guy fault.  Mayo was guarding Arcidiacono and he was also the one who threw a bad pass which lead to the three point play and Wilson fouling out.  

If you are going to blame Wilson for the lose at least pick the plays he was involved in.  

[nyg]

Game:

MU missed 10 free throws, including three front ends of one/one.
MU missed 8 shots from two feet.
Jake had no points, DWil/others got burned by Archie.  Mayo scored final MU 10 points in regulation, but that bad pass to start OT really set a bad tone. 

Thats ball game.

Kudos to Gardner.  29 and 13 and fought like hell.  

[Nevada233]

I've got to be honest - Derrick making his usual safe passes on the outside as time ticked away pissed me off. Tell me JD was hurt.

Nope he wasn't injured... I spoke to him last night.. he was ready to go... just got benched...


for who or what..... I have no idea...

[Archies Bat]

Game:

MU missed 10 free throws, including three front ends of one/one.
MU missed 8 shots from two feet.
Jake had no points, DWil/others got burned by Archie.  Mayo scored final MU 10 points in regulation, but that bad pass to start OT really set a bad tone. 

Thats ball game.

Kudos to Gardner.  29 and 13 and fought like hell.  

Clean, concise, accurate.

[CTWarrior]

I've got to be honest - Derrick making his usual safe passes on the outside as time ticked away pissed me off. Tell me JD was hurt.

This is something I've said every time we're chasing points at the end.  Derrick can't be on the floor when we need to score because not only is he not a threat, there is no sense of urgency in his play. 

When you think about it, he can't be in when we're ahead in a close game, either, since we can't afford to have him get fouled.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

This is so humorous.  The GUY everyone says should start at 2G because of his offensive skills got taken in OT yet it was another guy fault.  Mayo was guarding Arcidiacono and he was also the one who threw a bad pass which lead to the three point play and Wilson fouling out.  

If you are going to blame Wilson for the lose at least pick the plays he was involved in.  

Jamil didn't come to the ball after Todd picked up his dribble allowing his defender to step into the pass. He did the same on DW in the first half

[brandx]

This is so humorous.  The GUY everyone says should start at 2G because of his offensive skills got taken in OT yet it was another guy fault.  Mayo was guarding Arcidiacono and he was also the one who threw a bad pass which lead to the three point play and Wilson fouling out.  

If you are going to blame Wilson for the lose at least pick the plays he was involved in.  

That was MY POINT. Why isn't our defensive specialist PG guarding the other team's PG when he is eating us for lunch?

If Derrick can't guard him - why is he on the floor?

[NavinRJohnson]

One 3pt basket in the first 39 minutes. You cannot win that way.

[BallBoy]

That was MY POINT. Why isn't our defensive specialist PG guarding the other team's PG when he is eating us for lunch?

If Derrick can't guard him - why is he on the floor?

One player cannot guard a team.  Wilson did not lose this game. 

MU possessions:
Mayo turnover
Gardner Jumper...WILSON assist
Mayo missed Jumper...Davante missed Jumper...Davante missed layup
Davante missed jumper. Rebound. Two free throws
Davante jumper
Jake Thomas miss. Davante rebound. Two free throws
Mayo missed three...Anderson missed three
Wilson missed three with <2 seconds

If you look it was not Wilson who missed layups.  Also during MU's run with less than 2 minutes in regulation, who was playing PG.

[brandx]

One player cannot guard a team.  Wilson did not lose this game. 

MU possessions:
Mayo turnover
Gardner Jumper...WILSON assist
Mayo missed Jumper...Davante missed Jumper...Davante missed layup
Davante missed jumper. Rebound. Two free throws
Davante jumper
Jake Thomas miss. Davante rebound. Two free throws
Mayo missed three...Anderson missed three
Wilson missed three with <2 seconds

If you look it was not Wilson who missed layups.  Also during MU's run with less than 2 minutes in regulation, who was playing PG.

Did you even watch to see what a PG is supposed to do? Archi D controlled every possession in OT. Took it to the hoop and scored, took it to the hoop and dished for a score, beat his man on the dribble for a jumper. And our defensive specialist isn't trusted enough to guard him even when he is going off on someone else.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Game:

MU missed 10 free throws, including three front ends of one/one.
MU missed 8 shots from two feet.
Jake had no points, DWil/others got burned by Archie.  Mayo scored final MU 10 points in regulation, but that bad pass to start OT really set a bad tone. 

Thats ball game.

Kudos to Gardner.  29 and 13 and fought like hell.  

Definitely a big part of it.

To note, however

VU also missed 10 free throws
VU missed 6 layups

Their three point shooting was key.

[We R Final Four]

[quote author=tower912 link=topic=41668.msg559270#msg559270
2.   Oxtule is not working.   Particularly against a guard oriented team like Nova.   That is on you, buzz

[/quote]

I don't understand #2.
DG had a career high pts today(29) and 13 boards. We dominated the post today with Oxtule. I believe it was 58-30 on pts in the paint. Buzz will implement this approach every time we play a smaller/4 guard lineup.
Don't have 3 pt stats in front of me but I believe we were 2-6 on 3 pters.....they made 10. That's 30-6 right there. That is what's not working.

[Marquette_g]

So for as much credit as Buzz gets (deservedly so) for guys who develop under him (Butler, Blue, Crowder), there has to be some balance for guys that regress.  

J. Wilson, and O'Tule are certainly less productive than last year and if nothing else have not progressed. They needed to progress to compensate for the losses from last season and have not done so.

[CTWarrior]

[quote author=tower912 link=topic=41668.msg559270#msg559270
2.   Oxtule is not working.   Particularly against a guard oriented team like Nova.   That is on you, buzz



I don't understand #2.
DG had a career high pts today(29) and 13 boards. We dominated the post today with Oxtule. I believe it was 58-30 on pts in the paint. Buzz will implement this approach every time we play a smaller/4 guard lineup.
Don't have 3 pt stats in front of me but I believe we were 2-6 on 3 pters.....they made 10. That's 30-6 right there. That is what's not working.

We may want to zone or something with Oxtule.  We got caught a bunch of times today with Gardner trying to cover a much, much quicker player on the perimeter with bad results.

[tower912]

[quote author=tower912 link=topic=41668.msg559270#msg559270
2.   Oxtule is not working.   Particularly against a guard oriented team like Nova.   That is on you, buzz



I don't understand #2.
DG had a career high pts today(29) and 13 boards. We dominated the post today with Oxtule. I believe it was 58-30 on pts in the paint. Buzz will implement this approach every time we play a smaller/4 guard lineup.
Don't have 3 pt stats in front of me but I believe we were 2-6 on 3 pters.....they made 10. That's 30-6 right there. That is what's not working.

Whenever the other team has a line up on the floor that requires Gardner or Otule to chase them on the perimeter, it is a disadvantage for MU, regardless of what is happening on the offensive end.  

[BallBoy]

Did you even watch to see what a PG is supposed to do? Archi D controlled every possession in OT. Took it to the hoop and scored, took it to the hoop and dished for a score, beat his man on the dribble for a jumper. And our defensive specialist isn't trusted enough to guard him even when he is going off on someone else.

Did you know what MU's offensive strategy was?  No you don't.  MU's offense was focused on two things:

• Get the ball to Davante in the paint which happened quite frequently
• Run a screens to get Mayo or Thomas a clean shot or get Mayo a mismatch.  This also happened.

MU was going to run with their two best options Mayo and Gardner.  Why?...because Villanova plays a 4 guard lineup and their biggest guy can't guard Gardner.  MU missed shots in OT and defensively didn't stop anything.

The reason Wilson dribbles on the top is he is waiting for Davante to get position.  Wilson did what the strategy was and did it well as Gardner had 29 points.  

[77ncaachamps]

So for as much credit as Buzz gets (deservedly so) for guys who develop under him (Butler, Blue, Crowder), there has to be some balance for guys that regress.  

J. Wilson, and O'Tule are certainly less productive than last year and if nothing else have not progressed. They needed to progress to compensate for the losses from last season and have not done so.

It's because they're complementary players.

Jamil just...frustrates me: you can see the talent, but he's just not putting it together.
Maybe being "the man" is too much pressure for him.