Gotta Win BE Tourney

[DegenerateDish]

Because this team ain't getting an at large, even winning regular season BE title.

[MUfan12]

Because this team ain't getting an at large, even winning regular season BE title.

I'm down on them too... but that part is really, really dumb.

[MU_LOL]

Yep, no quality non-con wins

[jesmu84]

Yep, no quality non-con wins

except for GW...

[LAZER]

except for GW...

For now...that RPI will likely fall big time come March

[hilltopper03]

I know Derrick Wilson is good and a tough player, but I am for giving duane the keys to this team when he gets healthy. Not that I don't like derrick but in late game situations we need a guard who can shoot. So much time goes off the clock trying to find someone open because the man guarding Derrick can lay off him.

[DegenerateDish]

I'm down on them too... but that part is really, really dumb.

Name one quality non conference win. I'll wait...and wait...and wait.

[Warrior of Law]

Likely a good time to consider who can redshirt.  This team doesn't have it.  Go .500 in league play and play a few games after the season in NIT or something similar and build from there.

[brewcity77]

Name one quality non conference win. I'll wait...and wait...and wait.

GW is top-50 RPI. Your wait is over.

[chapman]

I know Derrick Wilson is good and a tough player, but I am for giving duane the keys to this team when he gets healthy.

Or redshirting him.  Just don't put him in to play 4 mpg the rest of the way.

[MUfan12]

GW is top-50 RPI. Your wait is over.

And the BE isn't a one bid league. The champ will get a bid.

It's okay, we all say dumb stuff. I'll wait for you to admit it.

[DegenerateDish]

GW is top-50 RPI. Your wait is over.

Still waiting...

I agree with Glockner on twitter.

"1-5. Not good."

[ChicosBailBonds]

Because this team ain't getting an at large, even winning regular season BE title.

A bit extreme.  Let's see how good the conference is.  Also hoping Duane Wilson is all he is cracked up to be.  Oh, and maybe the guys and coaching improves.

[DegenerateDish]

And the BE isn't a one bid league. The champ will get a bid.

It's okay, we all say dumb stuff. I'll wait for you to admit it.

Where is MU getting enough quality wins from in conference? If this was the old Big East, ok. This Big East? No way.

[DegenerateDish]

A bit extreme.  Let's see how good the conference is.  Also hoping Duane Wilson is all he is cracked up to be.  Oh, and maybe the guys and coaching improves.

7-5 out of conference, no quality wins. Where in conference are these wins coming from? Nova and Creighton are quality. Xavier, G-Town...Meh.

Opportunity presented itself, didn't work out. We are what our record says we are.

[MUfan12]

Where is MU getting enough quality wins from in conference? If this was the old Big East, ok. This Big East? No way.

You're too dense for me to continue arguing with.

[ChicosBailBonds]

7-5 out of conference, no quality wins. Where in conference are these wins coming from? Nova and Creighton are quality. Xavier, G-Town...Meh.

Opportunity presented itself, didn't work out. We are what our record says we are.

I do not disagree with you, but that's why I am hoping there is coaching improvement, a burst of energy from Taylor and Duane and hopefully some better results.  We'll see how it goes, certainly disappointing thus far.

[DegenerateDish]

You're too dense for me to continue arguing with.

Fantastic, have yourself a swell Christmas.

[mileskishnish72]

Dish, I feel bad too, but if they win the BE season they will get abid.
Mind you, I do not think that is going to happen.

[DegenerateDish]

I do not disagree with you, but that's why I am hoping their is coaching improvement, a burst of energy from Taylor and Duane and hopefully some better results.  We'll see how it goes, certainly disappointing thus far.

The conference is what it is. There's no UConn, Cuse, Ville to go steal a real quality win from this year.

Not to you Chicos, but I never said it was a one bid league. I said MU doesn't have enough opportunities to build their resume. That door was open, now it's not.

[JTBMU7]

Let's be realistic - IF we win 12 games in the BE, is that enough? Probably not. As much as we all loved the new big east split thing, the lack of Cuse and Lville, etc... is going to ruin any chance we have of covering for a poor a Non con showing...

[MU82]

13-5 in the Big East, as long as a couple of those wins are against whatever teams end up having the highest RPIs, will probably get 'er done.

It's hard to envision this team winning 13 league games, but I only thought last year's team would go 9-9 in a much more stout BE, so I'm reserving judgment for now.

[Nevada233]

This starting back court is not going 13-5 in the Big East.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The Big East is currently ranked as the 4th best conference in the nation. The top four teams will get bids at very least. If Marquette is in that top four, they will be in.

We need to stop underestimating our own conference. Yes we no longer get the chance for victories over the top 10 but there are no bad teams in our conference. Every team will be in the RPI top 150. Those wins start to add up.

[The Equalizer]

The Big East is currently ranked as the 4th best conference in the nation. The top four teams will get bids at very least. If Marquette is in that top four, they will be in.

We need to stop underestimating our own conference. Yes we no longer get the chance for victories over the top 10 but there are no bad teams in our conference. Every team will be in the RPI top 150. Those wins start to add up.

That's more a reflection of the lack of a truly bad team than overall conference strength.

Take a hypothetical comparison of two 5-team conferences with the following team ranks:

Conference A:
58, 59, 60, 61, and 62:  Average rank of 60th

Conference B:
1, 2, 3, 4, and 300:  Average rank of  62nd.

Under the same logic that makes us the 4th best conference, in this example, Conference A is ranked a better conference than Conference B.  Yet conference B would easily have 4 NCAA at large bids, and A would have none

That's why nobody here should care about conference rankings--teams get bids, not conferences.   

And the reality is that there are only two teams right now who have RPIs that fall within the traditional range of NCAA at-large selections--Villanova (11th) and Butler (30th).   

Georgetown is 72nd.  Xavier is 86th.  Creighton is 57th.  St. Johns is 67th.  Providence is 64th.  MU is 99th. 

The only team that would create something for the Selection committee to talk about is if we beat Villanova.