Vote for your starting PG

[NersEllenson]

Saw it mentioned that someone wasn't even sure if Junior Cadougan would be better runnning the point for this team, than Derrick Wilson - found that shocking personally, and curious to see the Scoop community feelings..

[GGGG]

Yes...another point guard thread to go with the dozen or so we have on the front page already.

[Eldon]

This question is easy.  Cadougan owned Wilson in practice.

[GooooMarquette]

Seems like the more relevant question is who we'd rather see at SG - Jake or anybody else on the roster.  I'd take B.

[MerrittsMustache]

Write in vote: Tony Smith

[NersEllenson]

LOL - Derrick with 4 votes...would those voters please raise their hand?

Sultan, Guns, Merritt, Brew....

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

LOL - Derrick with 4 votes...would those voters please raise their hand?

Sultan, Guns, Merritt, Brew....

I didn't vote because this poll is Bull Sh*t nonsense.

[GGGG]

LOL - Derrick with 4 votes...would those voters please raise their hand?

Sultan, Guns, Merritt, Brew....

I am not participating in this.  This is just one of these things you do when you obsess about something.

EDIT: Or what Guns just said.

[MU82]

Lloyd Walton.

[bilsu]

I did vote for Cadougan, but the poll is offensive to this year's team.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I'd rather have Jimmy Butler than Jamil Wilson.

I'd also rather have Jerel McNeal than Todd Mayo.

Let's start a poll...

[MerrittsMustache]

LOL - Derrick with 4 votes...would those voters please raise their hand?

Sultan, Guns, Merritt, Brew....

I voted for Tony Smith.

[CTWarrior]

Pointless exercise.  I can't imagine how anyone would honestly answer Derrick Wilson.  So votes for him are a show support for the current guy, which is fine.  This issue has been beaten to death, and I've contributed my share.  Derrick Wilson isn't too good, but he's probably still our best option.  Buzz certainly thinks so, and he has a better handle on the situation than we do.  And he's not just being loyal to Derrick, either.  You can be loyal to Derrick and play him 25 minutes/game.  The fact that he he playing 35+ minutes in these games tells me that Buzz is truly convinced he is our only current viable option.  A better discussion topic would be about how we can have an effective offense despite Derrick's limitations.

[tower912]

Will not vote.   Why not ask, who would you rather have at center, Gardner or Jimmy Mc?   Just as relevant.  

[NersEllenson]

I am not participating in this.  This is just one of these things you do when you obsess about something.

EDIT: Or what Guns just said.

It's what I do when I see comments on here that blow my mind and make me wonder - am I crazy, or is another poster?  It's nice to just get some scientific clarification on the matter...that's all.

[hairy worthen]

hairless worthen as point guard.


Seriously, what the hell.

[brewcity77]

I didn't vote because this poll is Bull Sh*t nonsense.

+1

Didn't vote and didn't see it until just now.

[MerrittsMustache]

The original post that caused this "debate" was by brewcity and said: "I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is. Wilson isn't turning the ball over, though he is showing similar inconsistencies to Cadougan with how he can be very good one game and mediocre the next (though in different ways)."


I don't want to speak for brew, but that's hardly a poll-worthy, ringing endorsement for Derrick.

[flash]

This is an easy question. Cadougan.  I'd take Acker, Buycks, Cuby, and Marcus Jackson over Derrick Wilson at this poiont. 

[brewcity77]

The original post that caused this "debate" was by brewcity and said: "I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is. Wilson isn't turning the ball over, though he is showing similar inconsistencies to Cadougan with how he can be very good one game and mediocre the next (though in different ways)."


I don't want to speak for brew, but that's hardly a poll-worthy, ringing endorsement for Derrick.

I think Derrick is doing fine. He's not an All-American, never asserted he was. But I think there are much bigger problems on this team than Derrick. If Mayo could consistently play like we've seen in flashes, if Jamil played every game like he did against CSF and Wisconsin, if Juan and Jake could be counted on for even 35% from three, if Gardner could get back to getting to and converting at the line, Derrick would look a lot better.

Adding Junior would add playmaking, but he wasn't as good a defender and he was much more turnover prone than Derrick. On this team, I'm not sure that would be a good thing. A much more sensible poll than to discuss a graduated senior would be an early-exit Vander (who actually could be here) and Jake, which I expect would be unanimous unless Jake is secretly a member on the forum.

[Aughnanure]

Both are backups. Good backups, but backups.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

The original post that caused this "debate" was by brewcity and said: "I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is. Wilson isn't turning the ball over, though he is showing similar inconsistencies to Cadougan with how he can be very good one game and mediocre the next (though in different ways)."


I don't want to speak for brew, but that's hardly a poll-worthy, ringing endorsement for Derrick.

Actually, if you think about it, 39min. of Cadougan per game might have looked pretty ugly.

I like Junior, but part of what made him effective was Buzz's ability to rotate Derrick in and limit some of Junior's mistakes.

Junior might have 6 assists per game if he played 39min, but he also might have 5 TOs and a handful of bad fouls.

Not many players can play at a high level for 39min, and that's part of Derrick's problem. He's a good role player at 20-25min. per night. When you stretch him out to 35+, his weaknesses become more apparent.

[CTWarrior]

I think Derrick is doing fine.

I think this is where you lose a lot of people.  I understand when you say that Derrick is probably our best PG.  I understand when you see Dawson probably isn't ready to to compete at Derrick's level just yet.  But he is not just fine.  He is killing our offense by not initiating any and by forcing the other guys to compete 4 on 5.  He is our biggest problem.  SG is also a big problem, but this is the biggest.

[brewcity77]

I think this is where you lose a lot of people.  I understand when you say that Derrick is probably our best PG.  I understand when you see Dawson probably isn't ready to to compete at Derrick's level just yet.  But he is not just fine.  He is killing our offense by not initiating any and by forcing the other guys to compete 4 on 5.  He is our biggest problem.  SG is also a big problem, but this is the biggest.

I disagree completely. Look at how Derrick played on our West Coast trip. He was excellent, driving the lane, getting to and converting at the line, getting the ball to guys in position to score, and not turning the ball over. He does not make this team 4 on 5. That's the SG position.

Derrick's not great, but he's shown flashes, and as a first-year starter, there were always going to be bumps. He plays within himself and makes sure the system keeps going. He does what is required of the position. He's not a shooter but he gets the ball to the shooters. He wasn't a driver but he has become one because the team needed him to. He is a defender and a guy who makes sure you retain possession.

Wisky was a step back for him, but anyone that can't see he's much improved over last year is watching the game with blinders on (and I realize there are a lot of those out there). I have far more issue with Jake getting 26 minutes and one shot attempt in that game.

Derrick's job seems to be to play a controlled game offensively, drive the lane when it's there, not turn the ball over, and defend. He has done all that. I have much more issue with Jamil and Todd not being able to assert themselves regularly, Jake not being able to consistently hit open shots, and Gardner not able to get to the line as much or convert when he does. If they start doing their jobs, I have a feeling people would have far less issue with Derrick and how he's doing his.

[mu03eng]

I think this is where you lose a lot of people.  I understand when you say that Derrick is probably our best PG.  I understand when you see Dawson probably isn't ready to to compete at Derrick's level just yet.  But he is not just fine.  He is killing our offense by not initiating any and by forcing the other guys to compete 4 on 5.  He is our biggest problem.  SG is also a big problem, but this is the biggest.

Couldn't disagree with you more here.  Look at the times when Derrick was effective like in Anehiem, it's when he had somewhere approaching a competent 2 guard in Mayo, JJJ, or Jake.  The amount of offense our point guard actually initiates in Buzz's set is somewhat of a false narrative, anyone can initiate.  The point guard is to bring the ball up the court and then play D on their point guard, after that it is largely another scoring option or a ball handler is someone gets in trouble.

Derrick is able to drive when his defender hedges on the off side pass threat from the 2 guard rolling off the down screen.  That gives Derrick the corner.  If this threat isn't there then Derrick has to take his man straight up which isn't his game.  Buzz's offense is all about "turning the corner" on the defense and only Jamil has the ability independent of the offensive system.

What do you want Derrick to do that he's not doing?