Washington Redskins change their name

[GGGG]

Precisely. I agree with you.


However it does raise the question...if the one person who is capable of doing the right thing (Dan Snyder) refuses to do the right thing, should anything else be done by those who have the ability to do something?

I think the generic answer is yes. I just don't think this was the right solution.

The NFL should then do it.  Or the broadcasters can continue with not saying the name.  Maybe the pregame shows can stop using the graphic. 

[Lennys Tap]

Precisely. I agree with you.


However it does raise the question...if the one person who is capable of doing the right thing (Dan Snyder) refuses to do the right thing, should anything else be done by those who have the ability to do something?

I think the generic answer is yes. I just don't think this was the right solution.

Educate, sure. Boycott? If you want. Call it out for the bigotry it represents? Absolutely.  Use the heavy hand of government? No freakin' way. A government with that kind of power is dangerous to everyone.

[Coleman]

The NFL should then do it.  Or the broadcasters can continue with not saying the name.  Maybe the pregame shows can stop using the graphic. 

All good ideas

[Coleman]

Educate, sure. Boycott? If you want. Call it out for the bigotry it represents? Absolutely.  Use the heavy hand of government? No freakin' way. A government with that kind of power is dangerous to everyone.

Agreed

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The Dan Snyder/Chicos crowd is dug in. Expecting a come to Jesus moment from them is probably folly but anything's possible, I suppose.

The resentment that is still felt over the "Warriors" nickname is justified. All the "education" in the world can't turn that word into a negative, let alone a racial slur. Not in the same ballpark with "Redskin".

It may not be with Snyder as the head, but the administration will eventually have a come to Jesus moment.

Warriors isn't in the same ballpark as Redskins, but Willie Wampum was even worse. We turned our team into a racial slur. Now I don't agree with how the name was changed or that it should have been changed. But there was plenty of education that could have been done. We should have switched to a Graeco-Roman type Warrior and obliterated any of the offensive native american imagery that was still being used. Would have been a great opportunity for education and an honest apology for our actions in the past. Instead we tried to sweep it under the rug like a child would do.

[MU82]

Warriors isn't in the same ballpark as Redskins, but Willie Wampum was even worse. We turned our team into a racial slur. Now I don't agree with how the name was changed or that it should have been changed. But there was plenty of education that could have been done. We should have switched to a Graeco-Roman type Warrior and obliterated any of the offensive native american imagery that was still being used. Would have been a great opportunity for education and an honest apology for our actions in the past. Instead we tried to sweep it under the rug like a child would do.

This is so right.

We could have kept Warriors if we were proactive and did, basically, what the Golden State Warriors did.

Instead, we tried to do what the Redskins are doing - telling Indians that they should be honored to be a team mascot.

Had we just gone away from the Indian imagery and embraced other warriors, we would still be the Warriors.

Water under the bridge now, though.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not the route I would prefer this to be handled, but I understand the argument. If other racial slurs are banned by the FCC why not Redskin?

Ultimately I think this will fail, and part of me hope that is does. Forcing a change like this is a hollow victory. It doesn't foster any learning or education, it just breeds resentment...similar to the Marquette name change. True victory is the Redskins' administration taking ownership of the mistake they have made and apologizing for it. That's the only way the transition can be handled gracefully.

Are you telling me the Color Purple isn't allowed to be shown on tv?  Why is the n word allowed on network television?  Are you telling me lyrics in songs are rejected because of racial slurs?  While we are at it, should movies be banned that show the cavalry killing Indians?  How about Vietnam movies when they call the enemy something that doesn't please the ears...Platoon no longer going to be on network tv (I'm not talking cable tv, I'm talking NETWORK TV).

Please. 

There is no ownership of a mistake because mistake hasn't been made.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Precisely. I agree with you.


However it does raise the question...if the one person who is capable of doing the right thing (Dan Snyder) refuses to do the right thing, should anything else be done by those who have the ability to do something?

I think the generic answer is yes. I just don't think this was the right solution.

Thanks for quoting Sultan's comments.  I have to laugh when he says "most people" when in fact every poll shows that isn't the case.  Most people don't think it is wrong, he can pretend to make up numbers and feelings all he wants, but he isn't entitled to his own facts.

Will the name be ultimately changed?  Probably....but hopefully not until many more pants pissers have drenched themselves.  It's not a place for the gov't, it's a private business.

[Aughnanure]

nm

[Aughnanure]

I give up. Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYs7QagnDc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYs7QagnDc

[ChicosBailBonds]

Keep trying, you'll get the video or picture in there eventually Aughanure.   

[Aughnanure]

Keep trying, you'll get the video or picture in there eventually Aughanure.   

It's the worst

[GGGG]

Thanks for quoting Sultan's comments.  I have to laugh when he says "most people" when in fact every poll shows that isn't the case.  Most people don't think it is wrong, he can pretend to make up numbers and feelings all he wants, but he isn't entitled to his own facts.

You are correct. 

I will say "An increasing number of people..."  instead of  "Most..."

Just like with all sorts of issues, eventually it will be "most" and those that stood in its way are going to look foolish in retrospect.  Racial equality...gender equality...gay marriage...

History will treat you and your ilk as standing up for a racial slur for a football team nickname.  Congratulations.  Wear it with pride.

[Benny B]

Thanks for quoting Sultan's comments.  I have to laugh when he says "most people" when in fact every poll shows that isn't the case.  Most people don't think it is wrong, he can pretend to make up numbers and feelings all he wants, but he isn't entitled to his own facts.

Every poll conducted in Germany during the late 1930s showed that most people didn't find "kike" offensive.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Are you telling me the Color Purple isn't allowed to be shown on tv?  Why is the n word allowed on network television?  Are you telling me lyrics in songs are rejected because of racial slurs?  While we are at it, should movies be banned that show the cavalry killing Indians?  How about Vietnam movies when they call the enemy something that doesn't please the ears...Platoon no longer going to be on network tv (I'm not talking cable tv, I'm talking NETWORK TV).

Please. 

There is no ownership of a mistake because mistake hasn't been made.

Um what? Those things are already censored on network tv. You can't say the n word or disparaging terms for Vietnamese on network tv or the radio. And no, movies should still be shown showing Indians being slaughtered by white men because it goes towards owning out history and educating on why it was wrong

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Why doesn't anybody moan about the atrocities committed by Genghis Khan, Mohammed or the Native Americans upon each other? Why is it only Northern Europeans who are to be condemned for conquering other lands?  Nobody decries the fact that slavery still exists in Africa and parts of the Middle East.  Just dump on the very people who created one of the few countries that (Most) persons would move to if they could and opened it up to ALL  Races and
Creeds. It ain't perfect but it's the best we got (Churchill)

[GGGG]

Why doesn't anybody moan about the atrocities committed by Genghis Khan, Mohammed or the Native Americans upon each other? Why is it only Northern Europeans who are to be condemned for conquering other lands?  Nobody decries the fact that slavery still exists in Africa and parts of the Middle East.  Just dump on the very people who created one of the few countries that (Most) persons would move to if they could and opened it up to ALL  Races and
Creeds. It ain't perfect but it's the best we got (Churchill)

Uh...what?  What exactly does this have to do with the Redskins nickname?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Why doesn't anybody moan about the atrocities committed by Genghis Khan, Mohammed or the Native Americans upon each other? Why is it only Northern Europeans who are to be condemned for conquering other lands?  Nobody decries the fact that slavery still exists in Africa and parts of the Middle East.  Just dump on the very people who created one of the few countries that (Most) persons would move to if they could and opened it up to ALL  Races and
Creeds. It ain't perfect but it's the best we got (Churchill)

After reading a biography on Genghis Khan I found a newfound respect.  He was far more intelligent than some robo-warrior.  And when he conquered areas he actually didn't do anything any different than any other culture did at that time.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Why doesn't anybody moan about the atrocities committed by Genghis Khan, Mohammed or the Native Americans upon each other? Why is it only Northern Europeans who are to be condemned for conquering other lands?  Nobody decries the fact that slavery still exists in Africa and parts of the Middle East.  Just dump on the very people who created one of the few countries that (Most) persons would move to if they could and opened it up to ALL  Races and
Creeds. It ain't perfect but it's the best we got (Churchill)

Are you really playing the poor white man/if others do it than it must be ok card?

[MU82]

The Daily Show gang had fun with Redskins fans on Thursday night.

It seemed that many of these fans, who contended (of course) that "redksins" was a proud way to honor Indians, were not comfortable discussing the situation with actual Indians. And they certainly didn't want to be wearing their Redskins garb around the Indians.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/redskins-fans-featured-on-daily-show-tried-to-revoke-consent-before-segement-aired/2014/09/26/f2338b26-45ac-11e4-9a15-137aa0153527_story.html

[ChicosBailBonds]

Um what? Those things are already censored on network tv. You can't say the n word or disparaging terms for Vietnamese on network tv or the radio. And no, movies should still be shown showing Indians being slaughtered by white men because it goes towards owning out history and educating on why it was wrong

Uhm, actually you can...on network tv.  Late hours, documentaries, etc.   There is an entire website that shows all the times it was used on network tv over the years.  Of course, on cable channels the ability to use certain words is much more pervasive, even basic cable.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Glad my shareholder vote counted....along with the other 99.9% of us


http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2014/09/30/99-9-of-fedex-shareholders-ok-with-redskins.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+industry_11+%28Industry+Sports%29

[Benny B]

Glad my shareholder vote counted....along with the other 99.9% of us


http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2014/09/30/99-9-of-fedex-shareholders-ok-with-redskins.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+industry_11+%28Industry+Sports%29

Who was the sole holdout?  Kim Jong-Un or Ayatollah Khamenei?

[Coleman]

Glad my shareholder vote counted....along with the other 99.9% of us


http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2014/09/30/99-9-of-fedex-shareholders-ok-with-redskins.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+industry_11+%28Industry+Sports%29

But why would the Oneida tribe have asked FedEx  to end the relationship if they think the nickname is a sign of pride?

[ChicosBailBonds]

But why would the Oneida tribe have asked FedEx to end the relationship if they think the nickname is a sign of pride?

Because there is always someone outraged about something.  Why would PETA ask us to stop eating meat?  Why would NOW be outraged the last few weeks but asleep at the wheel in the 1990's?  Why would the AMA support a certain person's healthcare plan, but majority of doctors don't (despite the AMA being the organization that represents doctors). 

All kinds of reasons.


Those that are upset, I suggest they use UPS only.