The Gold?

[Pakuni]

http://deadspin.com/rick-reillys-american-indian-father-in-law-says-reilly-1443599450

In case anyone doubted that Rick Reilly sucks.

[only a warrior]

Back in the early '90s, I was the moderator on a panel to discuss the use of Native American imagery in sports. As I sat there, listening to white people tell the two Native Americans on the panel that they really had no reason to be insulted by "traditions" such as the Redskins nickname or Chief Wahoo, it did open my eyes to the Native Americans' point of view.

Have those people watch or better yet, read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and they will see the anguish that the white settlers inflicted on the native american tribes.  Just appalling but they don't mention any of that in the history books.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Why is it white Europeans are the only ones who run over native peoples and take their land?
Native Americans were doing that to each other for centuries as that is the history of mankind since before time. I recently saw a documentary on an African tribe and the elder was explaining how they had driven out the previous tribe a mere 20 years ago.
White European guilt and money are the reasons we hear this stuff all the time. It wasn't invented here and we don't own a monopoly on subjugating peoples.

[keefe]

The most popular brand of toothpaste in China, Taiwan, and ASEAN is Darlie. Darlie was originally named "Darkie" and manufactured by Hawley & Hazel in Hong Kong. Colgate-Palmolive bought Hawley & Hazel in the 80's, mainly because of the popularity of the Darkie brand. Darkie continued under that name into the 90's when Colgate came under fire for the brand. It was renamed "Darlie" which in Mandarin means "black person." The brand remains one of the best selling in the world and continues to use a dark-faced character as its image.

[GGGG]

Why is it white Europeans are the only ones who run over native peoples and take their land?
Native Americans were doing that to each other for centuries as that is the history of mankind since before time. I recently saw a documentary on an African tribe and the elder was explaining how they had driven out the previous tribe a mere 20 years ago.
White European guilt and money are the reasons we hear this stuff all the time. It wasn't invented here and we don't own a monopoly on subjugating peoples.

Why is this relevant?? 

[GGGG]

What a crock of crap!  The only people who think Redskins=Darkies are people who are prejudiced.  Look in the mirror.  Why would anyone name the team they love and root for after something they hate?

Because George Preston Marshall was a complete racist tool.

[denverMU]

Have those people watch or better yet, read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and they will see the anguish that the white settlers inflicted on the native american tribes.  Just appalling but they don't mention any of that in the history books.

Why is this relevant?

[denverMU]

Because George Preston Marshall was a complete racist tool.

Yes he was, but that had nothing to do with the name of his team.  It came from the Boston Braves.  How is this relevant to the Marquette Warriors?  You still have not addressed my point of why people choose names for their teams? It is not to be derogatory to some one or thing but to be proud of them.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Why is it white Europeans are the only ones who run over native peoples and take their land?
Native Americans were doing that to each other for centuries as that is the history of mankind since before time. I recently saw a documentary on an African tribe and the elder was explaining how they had driven out the previous tribe a mere 20 years ago.
White European guilt and money are the reasons we hear this stuff all the time. It wasn't invented here and we don't own a monopoly on subjugating peoples.

There's so much arrogance and ignorance in this statement. I don't even know where to begin. All I'll say now is "Two wrongs don't make a right?"

[4everwarriors]

$7.10 for a tube of toothpaste? Guess I'm in on the wrong end of this business, hey?

[keefe]

$7.10 for a tube of toothpaste? Guess I'm in on the wrong end of this business, hey?

HK$7.10 is about 92 cents US. HKD is 7.78 to the USD.

I never used Darlie but it is a big seller in China.

[4everwarriors]

Still on the wrong end of this business.

[denverMU]

MU82, Lenny's Tap, TAMU, Sultan, and anyone else answer this questions for me please.  If a group of Greeks started to complain that the Michigan State Spartans was a derogatory nick name that brought shame upon the 300 brave Spartans that fought at Thermopylae, should MSU change their name?

[hairy worthen]

MU82, Lenny's Tap, TAMU, Sultan, and anyone else answer this questions for me please.  If a group of Greeks started to complain that the Michigan State Spartans was a derogatory nick name that brought shame upon the 300 brave Spartans that fought at Thermopylae, should MSU change their name?

Poor analogy on a number of levels

[Lennys Tap]

MU82, Lenny's Tap, TAMU, Sultan, and anyone else answer this questions for me please.  If a group of Greeks started to complain that the Michigan State Spartans was a derogatory nick name that brought shame upon the 300 brave Spartans that fought at Thermopylae, should MSU change their name?

A Spartan is a native of Sparta, like an Athenian or a New Yorker. Nothing even mildly offensive. Redskin is an often derogatory, insulting term for a Native American. Look it up in any dictionary or watch any of scores of Westerns from the 50s and 60s and it will be obvious.

[keefe]

[keefe]

Tom Crean's Alma Mater


http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/18484/tribe-supports-native-american-mascots

[Lennys Tap]

This is the money line:  "Too late. White America has spoken. You aren't offended, so we'll be offended for you."

That sums it up.   Never underestimate the power of white guilt in this country and the sanctimonious nonsense that comes with it.  If you aren't offended, by golly there are a bunch of peeps here that will tell you just how offensive it is and how you should be reacting.  And how dare you if you aren't acting that way.  They might even call you a name if you don't react, like Uncle Tom. Is there a "Native American" equivalent?  Good for Reilly to not be in the herd mentality and call out what the vast majority of folks actually are saying, rather than the one-offs that the press and the PC crowd puts up as THE POSITION. 

I'm sure Reilly is getting drilled today for using some of the same stats and references I did the other day, so I expect he is getting drilled hard.   

I'm sure Reilly is getting drilled today, too. It happens when you totally misrepresent a source's views in order to push an agenda. He should be out of a job, and that might not be the worst of it.

[GGGG]

A Spartan is a native of Sparta, like an Athenian or a New Yorker. Nothing even mildly offensive. Redskin is an often derogatory, insulting term for a Native American. Look it up in any dictionary or watch any of scores of Westerns from the 50s and 60s and it will be obvious.

Seriously, it amazes me that people can't really figure this out.

[GGGG]

Yes he was, but that had nothing to do with the name of his team.  It came from the Boston Braves.

Right....and the overt racist gave it a more overly racist name.  What is your point?  Don't you realize that "redskin" is a derogatory term?

[Nukem2]

Right....and the overt racist gave it a more overly racist name.  What is your point?  Don't you realize that "redskin" is a derogatory term?

As a Caucasion, I'm not sure I like being called paleface, whitey or honky either....

[ChicosBailBonds]

Right....and the overt racist gave it a more overly racist name.  What is your point?  Don't you realize that "redskin" is a derogatory term?

Don't you realize most Native Americans don't agree with you?

[keefe]

As a Caucasion, I'm not sure I like being called paleface, whitey or honky either....

How about Kemosabe?

[GGGG]

Don't you realize most Native Americans don't agree with you?

A significant enough number do.  But why am I surprised?  It is already established that you really don't think racism is that big of a deal anyway.

[denverMU]

Seriously, it amazes me that people can't really figure this out.

Seriously, it amazes me that someone who uses the term Sultan as part of there name, clearly offensive too all Muslims,  is so understanding to the evils of MU teams being called the Warriors.