Buzz a better recruiter than Tom Crean...

[Golden Avalanche]

Analytical Eagle you do realize that an outside source (Jeff Goodman) who actually knows what he is talking about came up with these rankings right? I think it's pretty clear that Buzz is better

How can anything be "pretty clear" based off of one man's opinion?

[swoopem]

Well I think that the success we've had since all of Crean's players have left our roster speaks for itself.

With Crean players we made it as far as the second round, without we are 3 outta 3 for sweet sixteens and obviously the elite 8. This too is a testimate to Buzz's coaching, which I also believe is superior to Crean, but this is just one man's opinion.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Analytical Eagle you do realize that an outside source (Jeff Goodman) who actually knows what he is talking about came up with these rankings right? I think it's pretty clear that Buzz is better

Jeff and Buzz are tight as well.  DeCourcy and Crean tight, slightly different opinions.  Brodess, USBWA (US Basketball Writers Association and Naismith voter) has TC in the top 6, Buzz not in top 10.  Gleeson of USA Today has TC in top 10, no Buzz.  Others have Buzz and no TC.   Everyone will have an opinion.  We've been blessed to have some very good coaches. 

Maybe we should start a thread with each of these guys opinions?   

[wadesworld]

In terms of jersey sales (marketability), Wade is behind Durant, Melo, Rose, and Deron Williams (excluding players that did not attend college).

Good point.  I guess I was just going based off of what I perceive to be the amount of times the media mentions a player with their college.  Wade seems to always be mentioned with Marquette during games and analysis, whereas the other guys I never really notice that for.  And Wade seems to (at times) go out of his way to get Marquette some limelight.  How often do you see highlights of a UofI game where Deron and his pro teammates are sitting courtside or Durant bringing Westbrook to UT games on ESPN, etc.?  I've never seen it.  I did see highlights of the 10 year celebration for Syracuse's National Championship with Melo, but that was a 1 time thing.

But then again I am always looking for Marquette mentions, so maybe it's just that I'm only noticing the Marquette mentions and not the others.

[Dawson Rental]

Jeff and Buzz are tight as well.  DeCourcy and Crean tight, slightly different opinions.  Brodess, USBWA (US Basketball Writers Association and Naismith voter) has TC in the top 6, Buzz not in top 10.  Gleeson of USA Today has TC in top 10, no Buzz.  Others have Buzz and no TC.   Everyone will have an opinion.  We've been blessed to have some very good coaches. 

Maybe we should start a thread with each of these guys opinions?   

I'm sure that you don't need that to bust through the 15,000 post barrier.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm sure that you don't need that to bust through the 15,000 post barrier.

Nope, but God forbid if someone did post those articles saying in their opinions (as basketball writers) it was the other way around.  We could have Nagasaki and Godwin's Law going strong in a new thread.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Nope, but God forbid if someone did post those articles saying in their opinions (as basketball writers) it was the other way around.  We could have Nagasaki and Godwin's Law going strong in a new thread.

I don't know that it is inherently offensive that a coach of a major bball power is thought of as a better recruiter than Buzz.  Crean's recruited well at IU.  However, if Buzz is put ahead at times (even with ALL the advantages I hear about venerable IU) -- I would expect Marquette people to be happy and even talk about it.

You can respect former employees without liking them -- and certainly can expect people to favor the actual coach of Marquette over a former.  Last time I checked, this isn't the Tom Crean board of fair and balanced opinions....despite the best efforts of a few.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I don't know that it is inherently offensive that a coach of a major bball power is thought of as a better recruiter than Buzz.  Crean's recruited well at IU.  However, if Buzz is put ahead at times (even with ALL the advantages I hear about venerable IU) -- I would expect Marquette people to be happy and even talk about it.

You can respect former employees without liking them -- and certainly can expect people to favor the actual coach of Marquette over a former.  Last time I checked, this isn't the Tom Crean board of fair and balanced opinions....despite the best efforts of a few.

I don't disagree with what you said, quite frankly.  But to be fair, an awful lot of people want to bring him first in an attempt to make it the Tom Crean board...like this thread for example...or every time they lose.  It's weird, when SLU lost, I didn't see posts started, even though they were coached by a former MU coach.  When KO lost, or Mike Deane lost...same.  And to think that 2 of those 3 guys left MU for greener pastures, too....the devil you say.   

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

No former coach left Marquette for a job that was actually better.  At first I was going to say none of those coaches -- but -- its just not true.  Outside of Tex Winter (indirectly) -- no former Marquette coach left for a better coaching job. 

Crean did -- makes it different I would say....let us have some fun at the elitists expense.  It is Indiana you know -- they get an auto-bid to the sweet 16 -- they can handle it


 

I don't disagree with what you said, quite frankly.  But to be fair, an awful lot of people want to bring him first in an attempt to make it the Tom Crean board...like this thread for example...or every time they lose.  It's weird, when SLU lost, I didn't see posts started, even though they were coached by a former MU coach.  When KO lost, or Mike Deane lost...same. And to think that 2 of those 3 guys left MU for greener pastures, too....the devil you say.   

[Galway Eagle]

No former coach left Marquette for a job that was actually better.  At first I was going to say none of those coaches -- but -- its just not true.  Outside of Tex Winter (indirectly) -- no former Marquette coach left for a better coaching job. 

Crean did -- makes it different I would say....let us have some fun at the elitists expense.  It is Indiana you know -- they get an auto-bid to the sweet 16 -- they can handle it


 

You could make a case that majerus and Raymond's did. 

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

It's not scientific but I don't see many perceived promotions to AD or NBA Asst.

[swoopem]

Check out this steller Crean recruit, Devan Dumes charged with attempted murder http://www.indystar.com/article/20130130/SPORTS0601/130130034/Former-Indiana-basketball-player-Devan-Dumes-charged-attempted-murder

[ChicosBailBonds]

No former coach left Marquette for a job that was actually better.  At first I was going to say none of those coaches -- but -- its just not true.  Outside of Tex Winter (indirectly) -- no former Marquette coach left for a better coaching job. 

Crean did -- makes it different I would say....let us have some fun at the elitists expense.  It is Indiana you know -- they get an auto-bid to the sweet 16 -- they can handle it


 

KO didn't believe that.  In fact KO couldn't leave fast enough to Tennessee and absolutely felt, at the time, it was a better job.  Majerus went to the pros. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Check out this steller Crean recruit, Devan Dumes charged with attempted murder http://www.indystar.com/article/20130130/SPORTS0601/130130034/Former-Indiana-basketball-player-Devan-Dumes-charged-attempted-murder

A  JUCO transfer from Vincensse who was suspended several times....see, this is why you stay away from JUCOs.

[hairy worthen]

I don't disagree with what you said, quite frankly.  But to be fair, an awful lot of people want to bring him first in an attempt to make it the Tom Crean board...like this thread for example...or every time they lose.  It's weird, when SLU lost, I didn't see posts started, even though they were coached by a former MU coach.  When KO lost, or Mike Deane lost...same.  And to think that 2 of those 3 guys left MU for greener pastures, too....the devil you say.   

Maybe that relates to the douchiness level of said coach.  
greater the douche level, the more negative posts for said ex-coach. Not weird at all.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Maybe that relates to the douchiness level of said coach.  
greater the douche level, the more negative posts for said ex-coach. Not weird at all.

Yes, KO was cherubic and very undouche like.  LOL

[hairy worthen]

Yes, KO was cherubic and very undouche like.  LOL

True, but likeable in many ways as well, and definitely not as much of a self serving tool as Crean is.

[Golden Avalanche]

Check out this steller Crean recruit, Devan Dumes charged with attempted murder http://www.indystar.com/article/20130130/SPORTS0601/130130034/Former-Indiana-basketball-player-Devan-Dumes-charged-attempted-murder

Mental olympics aren't your specialty.

[ChicosBailBonds]

True, but likeable in many ways as well, and definitely not as much of a self serving tool as Crean is.

All in the eyes of the beholder.  Diener, Wade, Novak, etc, etc all seem to think someone is likeable as well.  Can say that about anyone, quite frankly.  Thank God the era of cell phone cameras, etc, were not around back then....it would not have ended well for MU or him.

[hairy worthen]

All in the eyes of the beholder.  Diener, Wade, Novak, etc, etc all seem to think someone is likeable as well.  Can say that about anyone, quite frankly.  Thank God the era of cell phone cameras, etc, were not around back then....it would not have ended well for MU or him.

Most kids will like or at least stick up for the parents even if they are not the best people. same is true for coach/player relationships. I am sure you could find people who like and respect Hitler or Osama Bin Laden that doesn't make them the majority.

[leever]

Nope, but God forbid if someone did post those articles saying in their opinions (as basketball writers) it was the other way around.  We could have Nagasaki and Godwin's Law going strong in a new thread.

Thank you sooooo much for letting us know their opinions even without posting the full articles (God forbid!!!!)

I don't know if Buzz is a better recruiter than Crean.  Goodman thinks so, some others don't.

Some people think Crean sucks and don't particularly like THE WAY he left.  Some people, maybe even you (I can't tell for sure), feel the need to defend him at every opportunity.

Every single post that references Buzz and/or Crean doesn't necesarily have to be a multi-page point-counterpoint, except that you insist on making it that way.

GOD FORBID that you just let the anti-Crean posts run their course and fade into Scoop oblivion.  Give it a rest.

[hairy worthen]

Thank you sooooo much for letting us know their opinions even without posting the full articles (God forbid!!!!)

I don't know if Buzz is a better recruiter than Crean.  Goodman thinks so, some others don't.

Some people think Crean sucks and don't particularly like THE WAY he left.  Some people, maybe even you (I can't tell for sure), feel the need to defend him at every opportunity.

Every single post that references Buzz and/or Crean doesn't necesarily have to be a multi-page point-counterpoint, except that you insist on making it that way.

GOD FORBID that you just let the anti-Crean posts run their course and fade into Scoop oblivion.  Give it a rest.

THANK YOU!  Not that it will change anything

[Golden Avalanche]

Thank you sooooo much for letting us know their opinions even without posting the full articles (God forbid!!!!)

I don't know if Buzz is a better recruiter than Crean.  Goodman thinks so, some others don't.

Some people think Crean sucks and don't particularly like THE WAY he left.  Some people, maybe even you (I can't tell for sure), feel the need to defend him at every opportunity.

Every single post that references Buzz and/or Crean doesn't necesarily have to be a multi-page point-counterpoint, except that you insist on making it that way.

GOD FORBID that you just let the anti-Crean posts run their course and fade into Scoop oblivion.  Give it a rest.

You write that as if posts of that kind would ever fade into oblivion. How cute.

[Jay Bee]

[ChicosBailBonds]

Thank you sooooo much for letting us know their opinions even without posting the full articles (God forbid!!!!)

I don't know if Buzz is a better recruiter than Crean.  Goodman thinks so, some others don't.

Some people think Crean sucks and don't particularly like THE WAY he left.  Some people, maybe even you (I can't tell for sure), feel the need to defend him at every opportunity.

Every single post that references Buzz and/or Crean doesn't necesarily have to be a multi-page point-counterpoint, except that you insist on making it that way.

GOD FORBID that you just let the anti-Crean posts run their course and fade into Scoop oblivion.  Give it a rest.

Or

Some people, maybe even you (I can't tell for sure), feel the need to attack him at every opportunity.  GOD FORBID that we just stop the anti-Crean posts from even starting, it's been almost 2000 days.  Give it a rest

Afterall, KO left in not a good way. Rick left in not a good way.  Etc, etc.....hypocrisy here remains on tilt.