2013 NFC North/NFL Thread

[CreightonWarrior]

Haven't been this upset about a game in a long time. Bob McGinn was way off base thinking we can win without Rodgers.

Three most frustrating things about that game:
1) McCarthy's decision not to challenge the incomplete pass by Quarless was an absolute game changer. Seneca was finally moving the chains with his arm and gaining a little confidence. Seemed like a catch to every in the stadium except for McCarthy. I would be shocked if his upstairs eyes weren't yelling down to him on the headset to throw the flag. The look of disbelief in the fans' eyes at the game said it all. McCarthy had absolutely nothing to lose especially since we finished the game with both challenge flags in his pocket and 3 TOs walking into the locker room at halftime. I do think it would've been overturned. We would get at least three, take time off the clock, maybe score a touchdown. Instead McCarthy makes the boneheaded decision to keep the flag in, we punt, Seneca loses any momentum, they go down and kick a FG

2) Tackling was as bad as youre going to see it. We had them on multiple 3rd down plays and probably could've stopped most of the 3rd down conversions on the final drive if they tackled better. We had them on the 4th and inches. Mistackles is easily the most frustrating thing to watch.

3) D's inability to create turnovers. It is absolutely impossible to win a game with a backup QB is the D doesn't create turnovers and this was the case. Even sacks to push them back, the D-line got owned. Tramon's pass knockdown towards the end of the game should've been an easy catch INT putting us at their 30 ready to score.

Seneca isn't the answer and it might be a looooooooong 3 weeks

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well, it is three weeks for Rodgers.  If they can manage to go 2-1 over these three weeks, which IMO is completely doable (Philly, @NYG, Minny) then they will still control their destiny (for the most part) before the Thanksgiving game at Detroit.

It could be worse.

Not sure you can manage 2-1, even against that schedule.  I guess we'll all find out.

[brandx]

Let's see what happens.

Last time Rodgers went out (against Detroit I believe), Flynn came in and looked pretty much like Wallace looked last night. Next game he went out against New England and had an outstanding game.

Let's see what Wallace can do against 3 bad teams with 1st team practice reps.

[tower912]

Speaking of Flynn, he's available.    And knows the offense.   GB could do a lot worse. 

[ATWizJr]

Haven't been this upset about a game in a long time. Bob McGinn was way off base thinking we can win without Rodgers.

Three most frustrating things about that game:
1) McCarthy's decision not to challenge the incomplete pass by Quarless was an absolute game changer. Seneca was finally moving the chains with his arm and gaining a little confidence. Seemed like a catch to every in the stadium except for McCarthy. I would be shocked if his upstairs eyes weren't yelling down to him on the headset to throw the flag. The look of disbelief in the fans' eyes at the game said it all. McCarthy had absolutely nothing to lose especially since we finished the game with both challenge flags in his pocket and 3 TOs walking into the locker room at halftime. I do think it would've been overturned. We would get at least three, take time off the clock, maybe score a touchdown. Instead McCarthy makes the boneheaded decision to keep the flag in, we punt, Seneca loses any momentum, they go down and kick a FG

2) Tackling was as bad as youre going to see it. We had them on multiple 3rd down plays and probably could've stopped most of the 3rd down conversions on the final drive if they tackled better. We had them on the 4th and inches. Mistackles is easily the most frustrating thing to watch.

3) D's inability to create turnovers. It is absolutely impossible to win a game with a backup QB is the D doesn't create turnovers and this was the case. Even sacks to push them back, the D-line got owned. Tramon's pass knockdown towards the end of the game should've been an easy catch INT putting us at their 30 ready to score.

Seneca isn't the answer and it might be a looooooooong 3 weeks

IMO it wasn't the inability of the defense to create turnovers that lost us the game.  We even made enough plays on special teams to win. It was the inability of the defense to pressure McCown and get off the field.  Any  QB with enough time will pick a defense apart and that's what happened last night.

[ATWizJr]

Speaking of Flynn, he's available.    And knows the offense.   GB could do a lot worse. 

Heard they want Favre.

[Spotcheck Billy]

  Heard they want Favre.

even teal wouldn't have made that funny

[robmufan]

sounds like there is concern over flynn's arm...

[setyoursightsnorth]

You do realize that he is making fun of Bears' fans and their reaction to Cutler sitting out most of the NFC Championship Game right?

He's making fun of the Packers fans and everyone else when Cutler went down in the NFC Championship. Jay got a lot of flak for that. Time for Rodgers to get his.

what a puss.

[Sir Lawrence]

The Bears/Packers rivalry is a special thing indeed:

http://www.wiscnews.com/bdc/news/local/article_0c1853b0-84e4-5f07-92df-d415eaaff170.html

[hairy worthen]

He's making fun of the Packers fans and everyone else when Cutler went down in the NFC Championship. Jay got a lot of flak for that. Time for Rodgers to get his.

what a puss.

This from a guy who said lacy would only get 10 touches a game and isn't that good just a product of the bama line.  Nice insight.

[GGGG]

He's making fun of the Packers fans and everyone else when Cutler went down in the NFC Championship. Jay got a lot of flak for that. Time for Rodgers to get his.

what a puss.

I think Cutler was unfairly maligned...and continues to be because he doesn't do a lot to help himself.  But Bears' fans come off looking dumb by questioning Rodgers toughness.  He really doesn't have anything to prove to anyone.

[MerrittsMustache]

I think Cutler was unfairly maligned...and continues to be because he doesn't do a lot to help himself.  But Bears' fans come off looking dumb by questioning Rodgers toughness.  He really doesn't have anything to prove to anyone.

Bears' fans aren't serious in their mocking of Rodgers' toughness. It's more a matter of mocking the Packers' fans who didn't hesitate to mock Cutler and question his toughness when he was legitimately injured.

What I find interesting is that, for all the flak that Cutler catches about his personality, Rodgers isn't exactly a real warm and fuzzy guy. He's a bit of an aloof, stand-offish guy as well. He just cares more about his reputation (not saying that in a bad way) and does the It's Aaron commercials, etc. Cutler's thoughts on his reputation can be summed up in two words: Doooon't caaaaaare!

[GGGG]

What I find interesting is that, for all the flak that Cutler catches about his personality, Rodgers isn't exactly a real warm and fuzzy guy. He's a bit of an aloof, stand-offish guy as well. He just cares more about his reputation (not saying that in a bad way) and does the It's Aaron commercials, etc. Cutler's thoughts on his reputation can be summed up in two words: Doooon't caaaaaare!

I don't disagree with that.  Twice on Monday before the game he pushed an ESPN camera out of the way.  He clearly had an edge to him.

I do know that Rodgers does a lot that people don't know about on issues he cares for.  I am not saying that is unique to Rodgers in any way, but I don't think he does everything to craft his public image.

BTW, I really was unaware to the extent that Packer fans ripped on Cutler.  Maybe its because I listen to a lot of Chicago sports radio, but I heard a lot of the same things from Bears' fans.

[🏀]

BTW, I really was unaware to the extent that Packer fans ripped on Cutler.  Maybe its because I listen to a lot of Chicago sports radio, but I heard a lot of the same things from Bears' fans.

Yeah, I thought Bears fan gave Cutler way more crap for the NFC Championship game. Didn't TMZ even get into the picture? Some classic radio from that week.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

Yeah, I thought Bears fan gave Cutler way more crap for the NFC Championship game. Didn't TMZ even get into the picture? Some classic edited/staged radio from that week.

[brandx]

I think Cutler was unfairly maligned...and continues to be because he doesn't do a lot to help himself.  But Bears' fans come off looking dumb by questioning Rodgers toughness.  He really doesn't have anything to prove to anyone.

He's unfairly maligned because he's never been a winner. And his supporters always blame someone else - coach, OC, play calls, teammates, etc.

He only has ONE career playoff win and that's only because it was against a sub-.500 team.

You can get away with being a jerk if you can win consistently, but I think we have enough evidence to know that won't happen.

[MerrittsMustache]

He's unfairly maligned because he's never been a winner. And his supporters always blame someone else - coach, OC, play calls, teammates, etc.

He only has ONE career playoff win and that's only because it was against a sub-.500 team.

You can get away with being a jerk if you can win consistently, but I think we have enough evidence to know that won't happen.

Yep and Rodgers won one playoff game in the past 2 seasons only because they played against a QB who is now a WR, right?

What's interesting to consider is that the perception of both Cutler's and Rodgers' careers has been largely shaped by the 2010 NFC Championship Game. If Cutler doesn't get injured and the Bears win*, then regardless of how the Bears did in the SB, Cutler would be viewed in a more favorable way while Rodgers would be viewed as a great regular season QB whose teams wilt in the postseason. Heck, if Cutler didn't get hurt but the Bears still lost, he'd be viewed differently.


* - Fans tend forget that the Bears were deep in GB territory late in that 7-point game and that Rodgers didn't play very well. The Bears also blew a golden opportunity immediately after Cutler's injury when they took over at midfield and Todd Collins showed his ineptitude. Because someone will fly off the handle: I'm not saying that the Bears would have definitely won with a healthy Cutler, just that he would have given the Bears a better chance to win a very winnable game.

[hairy worthen]

Yep and Rodgers won one playoff game in the past 2 seasons only because they played against a QB who is now a WR, right?

What's interesting to consider is that the perception of both Cutler's and Rodgers' careers has been largely shaped by the 2010 NFC Championship Game. If Cutler doesn't get injured and the Bears win*, then regardless of how the Bears did in the SB, Cutler would be viewed in a more favorable way while Rodgers would be viewed as a great regular season QB whose teams wilt in the postseason. Heck, if Cutler didn't get hurt but the Bears still lost, he'd be viewed differently.


* - Fans tend forget that the Bears were deep in GB territory late in that 7-point game and that Rodgers didn't play very well. The Bears also blew a golden opportunity immediately after Cutler's injury when they took over at midfield and Todd Collins showed his ineptitude. Because someone will fly off the handle: I'm not saying that the Bears would have definitely won with a healthy Cutler, just that he would have given the Bears a better chance to win a very winnable game.

Holy crap are you a myopic bears fan

[GGGG]

Yep and Rodgers won one playoff game in the past 2 seasons only because they played against a QB who is now a WR, right?

What's interesting to consider is that the perception of both Cutler's and Rodgers' careers has been largely shaped by the 2010 NFC Championship Game. If Cutler doesn't get injured and the Bears win*, then regardless of how the Bears did in the SB, Cutler would be viewed in a more favorable way while Rodgers would be viewed as a great regular season QB whose teams wilt in the postseason. Heck, if Cutler didn't get hurt but the Bears still lost, he'd be viewed differently.


* - Fans tend forget that the Bears were deep in GB territory late in that 7-point game and that Rodgers didn't play very well. The Bears also blew a golden opportunity immediately after Cutler's injury when they took over at midfield and Todd Collins showed his ineptitude. Because someone will fly off the handle: I'm not saying that the Bears would have definitely won with a healthy Cutler, just that he would have given the Bears a better chance to win a very winnable game.

You can say similar things about every game.  What if Matt Ryan doesn't throw the pick six the last play of the first half of the game before? What if the Pittsburgh RB doesn't fumble when they had all the momentum in the world during the Super Bowl?

And I will point out that Rodgers threw a redzone INT to Urlacher as well.  Packers score there and that game is sealed earlier than it was. 

[brandx]

Yep and Rodgers won one playoff game in the past 2 seasons only because they played against a QB who is now a WR, right?

What's interesting to consider is that the perception of both Cutler's and Rodgers' careers has been largely shaped by the 2010 NFC Championship Game. If Cutler doesn't get injured and the Bears win*, then regardless of how the Bears did in the SB, Cutler would be viewed in a more favorable way while Rodgers would be viewed as a great regular season QB whose teams wilt in the postseason. Heck, if Cutler didn't get hurt but the Bears still lost, he'd be viewed differently.


* - Fans tend forget that the Bears were deep in GB territory late in that 7-point game and that Rodgers didn't play very well. The Bears also blew a golden opportunity immediately after Cutler's injury when they took over at midfield and Todd Collins showed his ineptitude. Because someone will fly off the handle: I'm not saying that the Bears would have definitely won with a healthy Cutler, just that he would have given the Bears a better chance to win a very winnable game.

Yeah, I guess you're right - their careers are quite comparable 

[Spotcheck Billy]

must suck to be Jermichael Finley in a contract year

[Lennys Tap]

Yeah, I guess you're right - their careers are quite comparable 

I'm a Bear fan but OMG. Comparing Jay Cutler to Aaron Rodgers is like comparing Carson Palmer to Peyton Manning. Not even remotely close by any fair measuring stick.

[MU B2002]

I'm a Bear fan but OMG. Comparing Jay Cutler to Aaron Rodgers is like comparing Carson Palmer to Peyton Manning. Not even remotely close by any fair measuring stick.

Because that's totally what he was doing.

[MerrittsMustache]

Holy crap are you a myopic bears fan

Yeah, I guess you're right - their careers are quite comparable 

I'm a Bear fan but OMG. Comparing Jay Cutler to Aaron Rodgers is like comparing Carson Palmer to Peyton Manning. Not even remotely close by any fair measuring stick.

Sheesh! I didn't compare Cutler and Rodgers in terms of skills or stats or accomplishments. All I said was that had the outcome of one game gone a different way, the perception of those two players' careers would be vastly different.

Do any of your disagree with that?

Because that's totally what he was doing.

At least one poster on here has some reading comprehension skills.