[Paint Touches] Who becomes Marquette's new biggest rival?

[frozena pizza]

I've always thought the Bucky rivalry was more of a big deal to people who live in Wisconsin.  To me, a rivalry is built on close, meaningful games in March.  I always cared more about beating Louisville, Georgetown, Nova, Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, and Cincy than Wisc.

[keefe]

I'd agree with the qualification that its not so much being in the same conference as consistently playing each other every year, which is how Bucky is still a rival. If we can keep a home and home with ND, they will remain a rival.

Actually, Boeheim's statement was in reply to being asked if SU was going to continue something with either GU or SJU. He said essentially the GU series has become as relevant as St Bonaventure and that the important rivalries would be defined by the ACC.

As for Wisconsin, I think that game is far more important to people back in WI for many reasons than anywhere else. Personally, I place much greater emphasis on games within conference as that has a more direct impact on getting into the Dance with the best possible seed. 

[LAMUfan]

totally agree about living in WI hyping the UW game, it's just really annoying not liking the badgers and living in WI.  It is a can't loose game for me so I don't have to talk to people who think MU had a bad year cause UW beat them, especially when said people didn't go to UW anyway.  So less about the game, more about me not snapping one day and choking a co worker 

[barfolomew]

I guess my notions of a "rival" team have usually correlated with my level of disdain for the opposing coach.

Louisville + Pitino = bad
Cincy + Huggy Bear = worse
Wiscy + Bo Ryan = worst

I'm struggling to figure out how I'm going to dislike Brad Stevens...

[keefe]

I'm struggling to figure out how I'm going to dislike Brad Stevens...

Indeed. He is quite the earnest young man. He is Presbyterian, no doubt. My Lothian Grandmother McElroy from Edinburgh would approve.

"A greater gift He couldny gie us than to see oorsels as ithers see us."

John Knox

[Jet915]

Creighton's president was in town few weeks ago to talk to Milwaukee area Creighton alums at a fundraiser at the Wisconsin club.  He mentioned that the Milwaukee area Creighton alumni club was already planning on getting a huge block of tickets for local alums.  They have a rabid fan base and travel well.  They always have the most fans at the Missouri Valley tourney. When there are 100s of Jays fans at the BC, it will quickly become a rivalry.  

We travel really well.  Last year, we brought about 6-8K to St. Louis for the MVC tourney, matched and possibly outnumbered the Wisconsin fans in Vegas last year (around 2K), around 600-800 fans at Berkeley last year and there are a number of fans on our board that already booked hotels for MSG next year.  We will bring several thousand to New York next year.....of course, it helps when you are good but we generally travel really well.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

totally agree about living in WI hyping the UW game, it's just really annoying not liking the badgers and living in WI.  It is a can't loose game for me so I don't have to talk to people who think MU had a bad year cause UW beat them, especially when said people didn't go to UW anyway.  So less about the game, more about me not snapping one day and choking a co worker 

This.

This right here.

[keefe]

We travel really well.  Last year, we brought about 6-8K to St. Louis for the MVC tourney, matched and possibly outnumbered the Wisconsin fans in Vegas last year (around 2K), around 600-800 fans at Berkeley last year and there are a number of fans on our board that already booked hotels for MSG next year.  We will bring several thousand to New York next year.....of course, it helps when you are good but we generally travel really well.

I have heard that Creighton travels well...



"The journey not the arrival matters.
T. S. Eliot

[Dawson Rental]

We travel really well.  Last year, we brought about 6-8K to St. Louis for the MVC tourney, matched and possibly outnumbered the Wisconsin fans in Vegas last year (around 2K), around 600-800 fans at Berkeley last year and there are a number of fans on our board that already booked hotels for MSG next year.  We will bring several thousand to New York next year.....of course, it helps when you are good but we generally travel really well.

One word of caution, the only time that DePaul is really dangerous is when they are at home and the opposition fans out number their fans. Get 2,500 there between local alumni and traveling fans and you'll outnumber 'em every time.

[Galway Eagle]

I have heard that Creighton travels well...



"The journey not the arrival matters.
T. S. Eliot

Those are the MU fans partying back there and the creighton fans staring

[77ncaachamps]

We need a POLL on this. Easier than sorting through the pages of posts.

My rankings:
1. Gtown (premier team, biggest marketing name in our league)
2. Butler (two excellently competitive games this season paired with the two of the hottest young coaches in D1)
3. Nova (similar playing styles, two dapperly dressed coaches)
4. Xavier (long-time rivals reunited, replaces Cincy as the Paris of America's Rival to MU)

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Georgetown.

For the forseeable future, Marquette and Georgetown will own this conference. I wouldn't be surprised to see us v. GTWN in the conference championship every year for the next three years. It will be the games in the Garden that determine our rivals and the Hoyas are who we will need to go through to win.

[Galway Eagle]

We need a POLL on this. Easier than sorting through the pages of posts.

My rankings:
1. Gtown (premier team, biggest marketing name in our league)
2. Butler (two excellently competitive games this season paired with the two of the hottest young coaches in D1)
3. Nova (similar playing styles, two dapperly dressed coaches)
4. Xavier (long-time rivals reunited, replaces Cincy as the Paris of America's Rival to MU)

But if Depaul gets good suddenly the world is flipped upside down :O

[Coleman]

We travel really well.  Last year, we brought about 6-8K to St. Louis for the MVC tourney, matched and possibly outnumbered the Wisconsin fans in Vegas last year (around 2K), around 600-800 fans at Berkeley last year and there are a number of fans on our board that already booked hotels for MSG next year.  We will bring several thousand to New York next year.....of course, it helps when you are good but we generally travel really well.

My favorite professor at Marquette was a Jesuit Fr. Michael Morrison, the ex-president of Creighton. Quite a character.

[slingkong]

Once you all start meeting their douche bag fans, Butler will be as hated as anybody we play. There is nothing (and I mean NOTHING) worse than an elitist from Indiana. They're a special breed of arrogant. And from Indiana? Who would choose to live in Indiana?

I've lived both places and know alumni from both schools, and I've seen very few differences in the people aside from accent/dialect. Curious what it is that you think is so superior about people from Milwaukee or Wisconsin. Every school has its share of DB fans; I'm sure I've been characterized as a DB MU fan more than once.

[keefe]

My favorite professor at Marquette was a Jesuit Fr. Michael Morrison, the ex-president of Creighton. Quite a character.

That's like John Q. Adams leaving the White House to return to the House of Representatives.

[Coleman]

That's like John Q. Adams leaving the White House to return to the House of Representatives.

Fr. Morrison started in MU's history department, was president of Creighton for almost 20 years, and then "retired" to teaching a history class or two each semester back at Marquette. Not sure if he is still there, but when I had him in 2005 he was still going strong. He looked a bit like Santa Claus and always wore suspenders over his Roman Collared shirt.

From what I understand, Creighton's soccer stadium is named in his honor.

[The Equalizer]

We need a POLL on this. Easier than sorting through the pages of posts.

My rankings:
1. Gtown (premier team, biggest marketing name in our league)
2. Butler (two excellently competitive games this season paired with the two of the hottest young coaches in D1)
3. Nova (similar playing styles, two dapperly dressed coaches)
4. Xavier (long-time rivals reunited, replaces Cincy as the Paris of America's Rival to MU)

Honestly, the only team on this list that comes close is Georgetown. 

Answer honestly--is anyone ready to line up hours in advance to go to a Butler or Xavier game?  Those programs were so far beneath us for most of their history--two games in one season won't make Butler our rival any more than our two games agaisnt Norfolk State in the same year had fans clamoring to add them as a  new "rival" in the Big East.

 

[LAMUfan]

since I have normal tickets now I won't be lining up hours in advance, but I am certainly excited about those games

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Honestly, the only team on this list that comes close is Georgetown.  

Answer honestly--is anyone ready to line up hours in advance to go to a Butler or Xavier game?  Those programs were so far beneath us for most of their history--two games in one season won't make Butler our rival any more than our two games agaisnt Norfolk State in the same year had fans clamoring to add them as a  new "rival" in the Big East.

 

I would. But I lined up for most home games when I was an undergrad.

While I agree (see post above) that Georgetown will become our main rival (within the conference) I think either Butler or Xavier could easily become secondary rivals. Reasonably close proximity, rabid fan bases, similar sized urban institutions, top young coaches (for Butler), recent history (Butler twice last year, Xavier a few years back in the tourney and Old Spice Classic), plus older history (we've played Xavier more than any other team in the Big East besides DePaul/Creighton).

[Jet915]

Fr. Morrison started in MU's history department, was president of Creighton for almost 20 years, and then "retired" to teaching a history class or two each semester back at Marquette. Not sure if he is still there, but when I had him in 2005 he was still going strong. He looked a bit like Santa Claus and always wore suspenders over his Roman Collared shirt.

From what I understand, Creighton's soccer stadium is named in his honor.

Our soccer stadium is named after him, although, from other alums (I was not there when he was president), he wasn't a big fan of athletics and some are puzzled why the stadium was named after him.

[Sunbelt15]

The first team that gives is a fragrant foul and we retaliate. Rival in the making!

[keefe]

Honestly, the only team on this list that comes close is Georgetown. 

Answer honestly--is anyone ready to line up hours in advance to go to a Butler or Xavier game?  Those programs were so far beneath us for most of their history--two games in one season won't make Butler our rival any more than our two games agaisnt Norfolk State in the same year had fans clamoring to add them as a  new "rival" in the Big East.

 

Rivalries require mutual respect, antipathy, appreciation, and rancor. I do not believe the GU crowd sees us in that way. They may do so, in time. But that day has yet to arrive.