Cities suck, suburbs blow (i.e. chicago and burbs)

[swoopem]

If you want to live in the city but have a suburban feel you can always live in Saganash (spelling?) or Beverly those are some nice neighborhoods.

[buckchuckler]

I have a hard time believing that a person who drives into the city for sports games and work knows more about what areas to avoid that the people who grew up there.  But that's just a matter of opinion. 

Ok well, my opinion and experience is totally opposite.  Anyone who grew up anywhere in the Chicagoland area knows the areas to aviod.  Also not everyone just drives to one office and stays there all day.  Some people have an office on wheels and cover the city north to south east to west.  It really benefits people like that to have very expansive knowledge of traffic patterns. 

And do you really think someone that grew up on the Gold Coast has more street smarts than someone from say, Blue Island or Cal City, or someone from Lincoln Park has more street smarts than someone from Cicero or Maywood? 

Most people from the city are very familiar with their own neighborhood and the loop.  Not the entire city. 

[Galway Eagle]

Ok well, my opinion and experience is totally opposite.  Anyone who grew up anywhere in the Chicagoland area knows the areas to aviod.  Also not everyone just drives to one office and stays there all day.  Some people have an office on wheels and cover the city north to south east to west.  It really benefits people like that to have very expansive knowledge of traffic patterns. 

And do you really think someone that grew up on the Gold Coast has more street smarts than someone from say, Blue Island or Cal City, or someone from Lincoln Park has more street smarts than someone from Cicero or Maywood? 

Most people from the city are very familiar with their own neighborhood and the loop.  Not the entire city. 

No idea what Blue Island or Cal City are.  Cicero and Maywood vs Lincoln Park now days I'll give you, though when Cabrini Green was still around I'd have argued that.  But when I was talking suburbs I was talking farther out surburbs. I think that it's pretty easy to take Maywood Cicero or Berwyn or even east Oak Park as examples of suburban people who'd have developed street smarts out of necessity. 

[jmayer1]

I lived in the city for 6 years after college and moved out to the Western suburbs a little over a year ago, but still come to the city for work and to socialize with friends that still live there. Both the city and suburbs have their positives and negatives.

I had a blast living in the city, but can't really see how/why people would want to raise a family in the city given the higher prices and less space, but to each their own.

[buckchuckler]

No idea what Blue Island or Cal City are.  Cicero and Maywood vs Lincoln Park now days I'll give you, though when Cabrini Green was still around I'd have argued that.  But when I was talking suburbs I was talking farther out surburbs. I think that it's pretty easy to take Maywood Cicero or Berwyn or even east Oak Park as examples of suburban people who'd have developed street smarts out of necessity. 

They are south suburbs.

[damuts222]

I lived in the city for 6 years after college and moved out to the Western suburbs a little over a year ago, but still come to the city for work and to socialize with friends that still live there. Both the city and suburbs have their positives and negatives.

I had a blast living in the city, but can't really see how/why people would want to raise a family in the city given the higher prices and less space, but to each their own.

  Almost exactly the same.  Lived in city for 5 years and just bought a house in Forest Park.  Lived in Edgewater near Loyola.  I find it funny the way our friends reacted to my wife and I moving to Forest Park.  We are equidistant to downtown living in Forest Park.

Don't get all high and mighty about living in the city it doesn't make you more knowledgeable than suburbanites.  Most people who live in the city never leave the neighborhood they live in..which is fine.  The city offers convenience.

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Finally, someone is talking sense in this thread.

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[MUFC9295]

No remember Oak Park is in the city evidently the city now a days, luckily I didn't have to venture far out. 

Whoo hooo... I have a condo AND, as of tomorrow, a house in the city!  And that has everything to do with DePaul, I think.

[Benny B]

Naperville.  Decent bars, great restaurants.  A lot more than big box stores and chain restaurants.  But what I meant was, if you want the amenities Chicago has to offer, you are about a half hour away.  But you don't have to live there and deal with preposterous taxes, miniscule living space, limited parking, etc. 

You forgot the #1 reason people live in Naperville... because they're afraid of those "dangerous minorities" they see on TV.  In fact, based on current trends in about two more years UW-Madison will be enrolling more students from Naperville than the entire state of Wisconsin.

[buckchuckler]

You forgot the #1 reason people live in Naperville... because they're afraid of those "dangerous minorities" they see on TV.  In fact, based on current trends in about two more years UW-Madison will be enrolling more students from Naperville than the entire state of Wisconsin.

Dude seriously?  Chicago is completely segregated.  It is actually pretty ridiculous how divided the city is.  Naperville is also more racially diverse than... Marquette University!  Don't be such a poopyhead. 

[warriorchick]

You forgot the #1 reason people live in Naperville... because they're afraid of those "dangerous minorities" they see on TV.  In fact, based on current trends in about two more years UW-Madison will be enrolling more students from Naperville than the entire state of Wisconsin.

Oooh, the race card.  That's really classy.

Better not tell those scared white folks that WNBA star Candace Parker went to Naperville Central!

[GGGG]

You forgot the #1 reason people live in Naperville... because they're afraid of those "dangerous minorities" they see on TV.  In fact, based on current trends in about two more years UW-Madison will be enrolling more students from Naperville than the entire state of Wisconsin.

Most people live in the suburbs because you get more house, and more property, for the $$$ than in the city.  And the public schools are almost always better.

[Galway Eagle]

Dude seriously?  Chicago is completely segregated.  It is actually pretty ridiculous how divided the city is.  Naperville is also more racially diverse than... Marquette University!  Don't be such a poopyhead.  

Aren't you the same one who brought up the bogus facts of Kane and Dupage's populations compared to Chicago and Milwaukee?  Because your racially diverse statement is bogus too.  Naperville has a 2.54% African American population while Marquette is 4.8% neither looks great but really you should fact check yourself before throwing random statements out there. 

[Galway Eagle]

Most people live in the suburbs because you get more house, and more property, for the $$$ than in the city.  And the public schools are almost always better.

As you can see half of the top 10 Illinois High Schools are CPS schools.  http://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/schoolrank.aspx?level=3

[T-Bone]

I'm a happy city dweller of over 20 years and I get suburbs.  If I worked out there, I totally would give it consideration.   But I live in a good area of the city that has good schools and I enjoy the moderate hustle of the neighborhood and my neighbors are great.  

Oh wait...

Did anyone else watch the Chicago Tonight piece on the DePaul arena???  
Only an economist from UofC showed up out of the invited panelists.  And financially it makes no sense to do it.  Throw a casino in, and then it might start making sense.  

Here's the link:  http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2013/05/14/sun-times-depaul-stadium-planned-mccormick-place

[GGGG]

As you can see half of the top 10 Illinois High Schools are CPS schools.  http://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/schoolrank.aspx?level=3

OK....how about "better overall."

I mean, Rufus King is considered one of the best high schools in Wisconsin, but that doesn't mean MPS is a good school district.  It's simply easier to live in Brookfield or New Berlin and not have to worry about getting your kid in a magnet school.

[Galway Eagle]

I'm a happy city dweller of over 20 years and I get suburbs.  If I worked out there, I totally would give it consideration.   But I live in a good area of the city that has good schools and I enjoy the moderate hustle of the neighborhood and my neighbors are great.  

Oh wait...

Did anyone else watch the Chicago Tonight piece on the DePaul arena???  
Only an economist from UofC showed up out of the invited panelists.  And financially it makes no sense to do it.  Throw a casino in, and then it might start making sense.  

Here's the link:  http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2013/05/14/sun-times-depaul-stadium-planned-mccormick-place

This board isn't about the Depaul Arena

[Galway Eagle]

OK....how about "better overall."

I mean, Rufus King is considered one of the best high schools in Wisconsin, but that doesn't mean MPS is a good school district.  It's simply easier to live in Brookfield or New Berlin and not have to worry about getting your kid in a magnet school.

Based on ISAT and PSAE test scores. 

[warriorchick]

Are you the same one who brought up the bogus fact of Kane and Dupage's populations?  Because your racially diverse statement is bogus too.  Naperville has a 2.54% African American population while Marquette is 4.8% neither looks great but really you should fact check yourself before throwing random statements out there.

No, that was someone else.  Really, you should read through the previous posts before throwing random statements out there.

By the way, I don't live in Naperville, and my kids received an excellent education from a public high school that is less than 50% white. I didn't have to shell out $14K per year each for private high school tuition like I would have had to in the city.

[Galway Eagle]

No, that was someone else.  Really, you should read through the previous posts before throwing random statements out there.

By the way, I don't live in Naperville, and my kids received an excellent education from a public high school that is less than 50% white. I didn't have to shell out $14K per year each for private high school tuition like I would have had to in the city.

No it was Buckchuckler I just double checked but thank you for trying to bust me.  I didn't hate on Naperville, so I hope that statement wasn't directed at me but you wouldn't have had to shell out 14k for a private high school, as noted by the Illinois High School rankings I just posted.  

[buckchuckler]

Aren't you the same one who brought up the bogus facts of Kane and Dupage's populations compared to Chicago and Milwaukee?  Because your racially diverse statement is bogus too.  Naperville has a 2.54% African American population while Marquette is 4.8% neither looks great but really you should fact check yourself before throwing random statements out there. 

DuPage County population 923,222
Kane County population 515,2969

Milwaukee County population 955205
Milwaukee Metro 1,566,981

Naperville has an African American population of 4.7%. 

Marquette is 4.8

Naperville is 24% minorities

Marquette is just over 15%

Naperville is more diverse than Marquette. 

Not sure what bogus numbers I am using.  You are the one who keeps making silly claims with nothing to back them up. 

[Galway Eagle]

DuPage County population 923,222
Kane County population 515,2969

Milwaukee County population 955205
Milwaukee Metro 1,566,981

Naperville has an African American population of 4.7%. 

Marquette is 4.8

Naperville is 24% minorities

Marquette is just over 15%

Naperville is more diverse than Marquette. 

Not sure what bogus numbers I am using.  You are the one who keeps making silly claims with nothing to back them up. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naperville,_Illinois#Demographics Says otherwise

And those are the numbers I used about Milwaukee metro.  Also from wikepedia if you'd like to double check any of my numbers. 

[buckchuckler]

http://www.naperville.il.us/demographics.aspx

Ok, whatever.  Either way, they are about the same.  Making racial statements like that is completely stupid and ignores the fact that the University this board is related to is lily white.  It also ignores the fact that Chicago as a city is racially divided.  

Still unclear on what numbers I made up regarding Kane and DuPage Counties.  I also never compared them to Chicago, that was your own comprehension problem.  And Chicago's population isn't over 8 million.  That is the metro area.  

So Milwaukee Metro is 1.5 Mill and Kane and DuPage are 1.4.  How is that off?  I didn't say they were bigger.  I said they were "at match for".  Those population numbers are pretty darn close. 

[Galway Eagle]

http://www.naperville.il.us/demographics.aspx

Ok, whatever.  Either way, they are about the same.  Making racial statements like that is completely stupid and ignores the fact that the University this board is related to is lily white.  It also ignores the fact that Chicago as a city is racially divided.  

Still unclear on what numbers I made up regarding Kane and DuPage Counties.  I also never compared them to Chicago Metro, that was your own comprehension problem.  

Your right I reread saw it said Metro area referring to Milwaukee Metro I originally read it as Chicago Metro for some reason.

I also read your statement to mean that Kane and Dupage individually were the same size and Milwaukee Metro rather than together.  Though Two whole counties being put together being the same size as a small city still isn't exactly the greatest argument for why those aren't small communities.