SMU transfers

[MarquetteMAN]

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/23/larry-brown-smu-losing-three-freshman-to-transfer/

Would there be any interest in Dickerson or the other 2?

[GGGG]

Blaise Mbargorba was mentioned with MU when he came out.  He missed his entire freshman year due to injury.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27534.0

[MarquetteMAN]

Many people feel we need an big man for depth: http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38414.0

I certainly wouldnt mind adding one of these guys.

[Pakuni]

They're being Browned out?

[ChicosBailBonds]

They're being Browned out?

Yes.....we are reserving the term "Larried" for when Larry Williams runs Buzz out of town...so Browned Out is appropriate here.  Or, What Can Brown Do For You may also apply.

[buckchuckler]

Brown flushed em out?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

They can't all be Brown stars

[Stronghold]

They're leaving Brown town.

[BrewCity83]

They're being Brownfielded.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

They were shown the Brown Eye.

[Spotcheck Billy]

got brown-bagged

[The Equalizer]

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/23/larry-brown-smu-losing-three-freshman-to-transfer/

Would there be any interest in Dickerson or the other 2?

Please.  Just stop.

In one thread I find fans pining over players who can't crack the rotation at UNC.

Now we have fans inquiring over players who can't crack the rotation at SMU!!!  The 11th place team in C-USA! 

Just because a player is available doesn't mean we should take a look.

Here's an idea:  Ask yourself--can this player realistically compete for a starting spot at Duke or UNC or UL or Kentucky or Kansas?  If the answer is NO, then we don't need him either.

[Pakuni]

Please.  Just stop.

In one thread I find fans pining over players who can't crack the rotation at UNC.

Now we have fans inquiring over players who can't crack the rotation at SMU!!!  The 11th place team in C-USA!  

Just because a player is available doesn't mean we should take a look.

Here's an idea:  Ask yourself--can this player realistically compete for a starting spot at Duke or UNC or UL or Kentucky or Kansas?  If the answer is NO, then we don't need him either.

Jamil Wilson was only an occasional starter for a bad Oregon team (8th place in the Pac-10!), and we know how badly his transfer turned out.
And I'm pretty sure Trent Lockett wouldn't have started at Duke or Kansas this past season.

Here's an idea: Ask yourself -- if a player can realistically compete for a starting spot at Duke or UNC or UL or Kentucky or Kansas, why is he transferring to Marquette?

[GGGG]

The only one I would be interested in is the seven-footer and only because he was mentioned with MU before.  The others don't interest me in the least.

[frozena pizza]

The only one I would be interested in is the seven-footer and only because he was mentioned with MU before.  The others don't interest me in the least.

Agreed.  I think you would have to take a good look at Mbargorba.  Four years of eligibility and a great project big man.  Can't see the other two contributing much.

[brewcity77]

The only one I would be interested in is the seven-footer and only because he was mentioned with MU before.  The others don't interest me in the least.

I'd third that. Mbargorba was a heck of a prospect and you can't really put SMU's misfortunes on a guy that never played for them. The injury worries me a bit, but if he's healthy, he'd be worth a look.

[damuts222]

got brown-bagged

Ow now brown cow

[Dawson Rental]

Agreed.  I think you would have to take a good look at Mbargorba.  Four years of eligibility and a great project big man.  Can't see the other two contributing much.

I know that he was injured, but IIRC, Mbargorba would be limited to three years based on the fours years used in five years rule.  That's the rule that has to get waived when a Otule goes six years.  I think that it can be waived for injuries, but isn't usually when there is a transfer year involved.  Anyone know for sure?

[Nukem2]

I know that he was injured, but IIRC, Mbargorba would be limited to three years based on the fours years used in five years rule.  That's the rule that has to get waived when a Otule goes six years.  I think that it can be waived for injuries, but isn't usually when there is a transfer year involved.  Anyone know for sure?

That's generally true, though Scott Martin gat a 6th year at ND last year even though he had a transfer season.  All depends on how NCAA views a given situation.

[The Equalizer]

Jamil Wilson was only an occasional starter for a bad Oregon team (8th place in the Pac-10!), and we know how badly his transfer turned out.
And I'm pretty sure Trent Lockett wouldn't have started at Duke or Kansas this past season.

Here's an idea: Ask yourself -- if a player can realistically compete for a starting spot at Duke or UNC or UL or Kentucky or Kansas, why is he transferring to Marquette?

If you think that Jamil Wilson's/Trent Locket's pre-transfer performances are even remotely comparable to Jordan Dickerson's SMU performance you either failed Sesame Street's "One of these things is not like the other" or you're simply arguing for argument's sake.

In either case, Dickerson isn't going to keep us competitive with Duke or UNC or UK or Kansas--so why bother even considering him.

[Pakuni]

If you think that Jamil Wilson's/Trent Locket's pre-transfer performances are even remotely comparable to Jordan Dickerson's SMU performance you either failed Sesame Street's "One of these things is not like the other" or you're simply arguing for argument's sake.

In either case, Dickerson isn't going to keep us competitive with Duke or UNC or UK or Kansas--so why bother even considering him.

My reply had nothing to do with Dickerson. I was just mocking your ridiculous criteria for who Marquette should deem worthy of a possible transfer.
Fact is, if Buzz Williams thought like you, Jamil Wilson and Trent Lockett would never have been at Marquette. And without those two, Marquette isn't Big East champs or making the Elite Eight.
So, I for one am glad Buzz Williams thinks nothing like you.

[Jay Bee]

I know that he was injured, but IIRC, Mbargorba would be limited to three years based on the fours years used in five years rule.  That's the rule that has to get waived when a Otule goes six years.  I think that it can be waived for injuries, but isn't usually when there is a transfer year involved.  Anyone know for sure?

It's the NCAA so almost anything is possible, but you're correct. The Five Year Rule Waiver is for cases when a student-athlete misses two years due ("missing a year" generally includes a year in which a player is or would have been awarded a medical hardship waiver) to circumstances outside their control and that of their school.

In the case of Mbargorba he'd be missing 2013-14 due to his own decision to transfer and thus would not fit the criteria for a Five Year Rule Waiver. In other words, he'll effectively have 3 years to play 3 years beginning in 2014-15.

That's generally true, though Scott Martin gat a 6th year at ND last year even though he had a transfer season.  All depends on how NCAA views a given situation.

The NCAA doesn't explain their reasoning, but for Martin a reasonable explanation can be made. At face value his situation didn't appear to fit the Five Year Waiver Rule criteria, but here's why (I believe) it was granted: His transfer from Purdue to Notre Dame was, it was likely argued, for him to be closer to his sick father. The second year was missed due to injury... so it comes down to a question of whether his transfer was due to circumstances outside of the control of Martin or Notre Dame... and they (presumably) decided that, yes, his father's illness was such a circumstance and therefore they granted a waiver.

[GGGG]

The NCAA doesn't explain their reasoning, but for Martin a reasonable explanation can be made. At face value his situation didn't appear to fit the Five Year Waiver Rule criteria, but here's why (I believe) it was granted: His transfer from Purdue to Notre Dame was, it was likely argued, for him to be closer to his sick father. The second year was missed due to injury... so it comes down to a question of whether his transfer was due to circumstances outside of the control of Martin or Notre Dame... and they (presumably) decided that, yes, his father's illness was such a circumstance and therefore they granted a waiver.

If that's the case, then that is really a stretch of the rules.  Martin is from Valparaiso.  He went to Purdue (about 80 miles away), and then transferred to South Bend (50 miles away).  I mean, it would be one thing if he transferred to Valpo...but granting a sixth year to be 30 miles closer to home?

[The Equalizer]

My reply had nothing to do with Dickerson. I was just mocking your ridiculous criteria for who Marquette should deem worthy of a possible transfer.
Fact is, if Buzz Williams thought like you, Jamil Wilson and Trent Lockett would never have been at Marquette. And without those two, Marquette isn't Big East champs or making the Elite Eight.
So, I for one am glad Buzz Williams thinks nothing like you.

Fact?  Based on what alternate universe are you posting from?

You're just flat out wrong on this.

Wilson was a top 30 HS player (#23 in Rivals) and started more than half his freshman-season games while playing in a BCS conference. MSU heavily recruited him--he would have a good chance to compete for a starting spot on any team in the country. 

Lockett was a top 100 HS player (#80 in rivals), had 3 years experience on a BCS team, was 2nd team all-Pac 10, a starter since his freshman year, shot over 40% on 3 point shots, averaged nearly 6 boards a game.   Don't know if he would have won the starting spot at any team in the country, but he certainly would have been a viable competitor.

You should be glad that Buzz thinks exactly like me--and not like you or the others who think we should consider Jordan Dickerson or JP Tokoto.

I know your MO is to stick to mocking what you don't understand--but in this case,  let's put you on the defensive:  Can you mount any reasonable or loigical argument whatsoever that Dickerson or Tokoto could compete for starting minutes at UNC or Duke or Kansas, and therefore should be considered as transfers to MU?   

Didn't think so.

Clearly under my supposedly "ridiculous" criteria, we would most certainly consider transfers like Lockett and Wilson--because they're not even remotely comparable to Jordan Dickerson; and they're clearly better than JP Tokoto, who couldn't crack the rotation on this year's middling 8 seed UNC team.

If we want to join the ranks of the elite, we have to recruit players like they do--not accept those not good enough to crack their rotation.

[GGGG]

You can't just take statistics without looking at context.  Tokoto had other players ahead of him.  Wilson really didn't at Oregon.  Also, you are discounting the "improvement factor" that a player can go through. 

I mean, you wouldn't take JPT as a transfer?  He gets to redshirt for a year and then has three years remaining??