Author Topic: Does vander stay? (Read 11810 times)

BCHoopster · « **Reply #50 on:** March 30, 2013, 06:33:02 PM »

Duane Wilson and Vander, big difference next year! It will be Buzz's best team!

Goose · « **Reply #51 on:** March 30, 2013, 06:35:08 PM »

IMO biggest issue for his return is not reaching lofty expectations. He is young kid that surpassed everyone's hopes this season. I think very unrealistic goals will be placed on him for next season and that is pressure. We both want him back and we will se what happens.

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #52 on:** March 30, 2013, 06:38:36 PM »

Quote from: Goose on March 30, 2013, 06:35:08 PM

IMO biggest issue for his return is not reaching lofty expectations. He is young kid that surpassed everyone's hopes this season. I think very unrealistic goals will be placed on him for next season and that is pressure. We both want him back and we will se what happens.

You know, that is a really good point. Dom James came back after his great freshman year, and probably ruined his chances for a guaranteed NBA contract.

BCHoopster · « **Reply #53 on:** March 30, 2013, 07:03:37 PM »

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 30, 2013, 06:38:36 PM

You know, that is a really good point. Dom James came back after his great freshman year, and probably ruined his chances for a guaranteed NBA contract.

Vander would not be even drafted, needs to come a better offensive player, he is not a point guard. He definitively has come along way, but still have a long way to go.

Otule's Glass Eye · « **Reply #54 on:** March 30, 2013, 07:22:11 PM »

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 30, 2013, 06:31:01 PM

I don't disagree. I just think that he would do better to come back next year and prove it.

I've said it since I watched him at Madison Memorial that he has all of the tools. This year he has gotten the tools in order. I'd hate for him to declare and get drafted in the 2nd round... when next year he absolutely has all of the potential of a lotto pick.

It's gonna be hard to be a lottery pick next year if you're a senior, I see between 5-10 freshman alone all being seen as lottery picks.

Montana Warrior · « **Reply #55 on:** March 30, 2013, 07:28:09 PM »

You bet he stays! Unless he wants to be touring Europe in a bus and play bball nobody watches.

79Warrior · « **Reply #56 on:** March 30, 2013, 07:52:11 PM »

Quote from: Goose on March 30, 2013, 06:23:25 PM

Guys

I do not want him to go and have no idea if he should go. I just was saying he represented the school and himself with class this year. If he decides to go I hope it does not turn into the usual bashing of guys leaving. Every transfer gets ripped on here, every recruit lost is usually ripped and I think he deserves better than that.

Well put. If he needs the dinero and has a shot why not take it? It's real easy for everyone to have an opinion. If the fridge is empty, maybe it's time to fill it, I suspect Coach will advise him well.

NYeagle · « **Reply #57 on:** March 30, 2013, 07:52:57 PM »

Considering it is a very weak draft, in my opinion vander should leave this year. Although we will miss him if he leaves, we know that playing in the pros is in his best interest.

AZWarrior · « **Reply #58 on:** March 30, 2013, 08:08:36 PM »

I believe Vander's NBA position is the "1". And I think at least one NBA team would be willing to take him in the second round with the intention of developing him into a PG, with the understanding it would take a season. So if Vander is willing to accept second round money, I see him going. If he stays at MU, and if he and the staff work to develop his PG skills, I can see him getting first round $ in next year's draft.

I think he'd be better off staying.

Or maybe I just want him to stay.....

SWARM! · « **Reply #59 on:** March 30, 2013, 09:04:59 PM »

I'll preface this with saying I haven't read the comments in this thread but a kid who is a guard thats not 6'6''and just does not shoot the three ball well needs to come back. Vander is a great college player with a high, developing ceiling but he still does not have a long range game. He's incredibly young for his age/eligibility, so I think he'll be a monster next year. He needs to come back.

MUFC9295 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 30, 2013, 09:46:55 PM »

A triple double away from leaving. See you next year, vander.

bilsu · « **Reply #61 on:** March 31, 2013, 12:30:41 AM »

Maybe Buzz will tell him he will play at point next year, which would allow Johnson to start at the two spot.

brewcity77 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 31, 2013, 01:03:16 AM »

Okay, I think a lot of people are dismissing the idea of Blue leaving. I want to play devil's advocate a bit as to why he should give the NBA a serious thought, and why NBA scouts would also give him a long look:

Vander will only be 20 years old on draft night. He is young for his class (younger than sophomore Mayo) and in the eyes of scouts is a college sophomore. He made his name here with his defense and has proven to be a willing and capable defender. Most important, he has shown the ability to improve. I heard someone talking about how NBA scouts are starting to come around to the idea that potential isn't determined by age but rather by whether or not a player has shown the ability to get better. Vander has shown that in spades.

When he arrived, he was a solid defender. He quickly developed into a very good rebounder and while his rebounding numbers were down this year that was because we needed him to score. He was widely criticized for his shooting form, which has improved by leaps and bounds this year (consistent form, proper release point at height of jump, and making shots out to the arc). His 3P% improved from 16% as a freshman to 25.8% as a sophomore to 30.9% this year. He was also criticized for his finishing at the rim. This year he has become as good a finisher at the rim as we've had since Wade.

If the NBA drafts on potential, Vander should be a first-round pick. It may sound laughable, but this is a 20 year old kid that has made huge strides in his game since he arrived on campus 2-1/2 years ago. I still think he'd be a second-round pick if he came out, but I could very well see him developing into a solid NBA starter at the 2 (if he's legitimately 6'4") and it wouldn't surprise me if he could develop into a borderline All-Star.

Of course he's not there yet. We know that, Buzz knows that, scouts know that, and Vander knows that. But who would you trust more to get there? Someone like Vander who has already demonstrated the dedication to improving his game and ability to make himself a better player or someone like BJ Young (just declared today) who actually seemed to regress a bit as a sophomore and may have hit his peak at 19?

Vander should look at the NBA. I would love to have him back for a year, but if he gets word that he will be picked, he should definitely think about going. And anyone dismissing it out of hand doesn't understand that potential is more than just what class you are in school.

keefe · « **Reply #63 on:** March 31, 2013, 01:12:56 AM »

Quote from: Goose on March 30, 2013, 05:56:47 PM

All I can say is he better get respect regardless of decision on this board. Half the posts on this thread are insulting and I think he deserves better than that. Yes, he had rough game today, but his season was exceptional. Honestly with the crap he has taken over last three years he only owes something to himself, his team and his coach. Most fans showed their true colors regarding him many times over past few years.

Well put, Goose. Very well put.

Goose · « **Reply #64 on:** March 31, 2013, 06:58:53 AM »

Brew city

Nailed it. Biggest thing going for aside from upside potential is his age. He is sophomore age wise and that plays very big part in decision I would think.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #65 on:** March 31, 2013, 07:02:11 AM »

They don't play as much zone in the Association. Vander is best, right now, in the open court. He's come along way. Quick first step, slasher, improved J. I'm figurin' he'll draw an NBA paycheck at some point.

GGGG · « **Reply #66 on:** March 31, 2013, 07:11:24 AM »

Just for discussion sake:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=vander-blue&i=1&p1=russell-westbrook

Not saying he will turn into an NBA all star and a 20 ppg player, but don't under estimate how much his athleticism and potential is going to attract an NBA GM.

OTOH, without any real proven options at the PG position, Vander might very well have a chance to show off more of what he can do in that regard next season at MU.

Stretchdeltsig · « **Reply #67 on:** March 31, 2013, 07:23:23 AM »

It's Vander's call. Hope he returns to lead MU to a national championship.

jsglow · « **Reply #68 on:** March 31, 2013, 07:31:19 AM »

I haven't read the entire thread but I am interested in the point guard angle. I'm convinced that at the next level Vander slots as a back-up point guard. I don't think he's quite at the level Doc Rivers was at following his Junior year when he decided to enter the draft and was selected in the second round. It was not guaranteed that Glen would actually make the Hawks at the time but his hard work paid off and he began a long successful NBA career.

Coach will do what is best next year but it is entirely possible that the best lineup has Van at the #1 with Tre J at the #2 notwithstanding Buzz' usual desire for Frosh to watch more than they play. To that end, I'd really be surprised to have a Frosh 'run' the offense out of the #1. That would seem to really go against the grain. And as much as I love D Wilson, I think he remains a solid defensive specialist.

Anyway, I can see a scenario where Van moves from the second round (or worse) into the tail end of the first with one more year at Marquette. And I wouldn't put it past coach to arrange a lengthy discussion with Doc about exactly that plan. No doubt some very solid advice to be obtained.

Goose · « **Reply #69 on:** March 31, 2013, 07:34:15 AM »

jsglow

Vander is a PG and that probably is his role in NBA. His strength is getting the ball in transition and moving down court. He played SG due to Junior being here and accepted that role. If back next year I would think we would see him at PG a fair amount.

MU82 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 31, 2013, 10:12:49 PM »

Whether or not Vander should leave based on what we saw Saturday or even over the course of the season is immaterial.

How many guys leave who maybe shouldn't? Lots.

How many guys nowhere near as good as Vander have done so? Lots.

How many either have an inflated opinion of themselves, get bad advice from those around them or both? Lots.

I doubt a single poster here has any insight into what's going on in Vander's head right now. Including me.

Do I think leaving now would be his wisest move? Probably not. Do I want him to return? Absolutely. Despite all that, do I think there's a chance he would decide to leave? You bet your sweet bippy I do.

BCHoopster · « **Reply #71 on:** March 31, 2013, 10:52:43 PM »

Watch the NBA sometime and see what type of guards make the league, players who can shot the ball, tell me a GM wants to draft a player with a 30 percent tile from 3 and I will show
you an NBA general manager who will be fired. Vander needs another year, bottom line, needs to get his shooting in the 40 range to make the association.

GGGG · « **Reply #72 on:** April 01, 2013, 07:51:36 AM »

Quote from: BCHoopster on March 31, 2013, 10:52:43 PM

Watch the NBA sometime and see what type of guards make the league, players who can shot the ball, tell me a GM wants to draft a player with a 30 percent tile from 3 and I will show
you an NBA general manager who will be fired. Vander needs another year, bottom line, needs to get his shooting in the 40 range to make the association.

That is absolutely false.

Let's look at the 2012 NBA Draft. In the top 12 picks, five SGs were chosen. (Beal, Waiters, Ross, Rivers, Lamb)

Of those five, they all shot at about the 45% clip from 2. And somewhere in the range of 33 - 36% from 3. No one was near 40%.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=austin-rivers&i=1&p1=vander-blue&p2=bradley-beal&p3=dion-walters&p4=terrence-ross&p5=jeremy-lamb

BCHoopster · « **Reply #73 on:** April 01, 2013, 08:57:28 AM »

All 5 are better shooters than Vander is right now!

GGGG · « **Reply #74 on:** April 01, 2013, 10:00:14 AM »

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 01, 2013, 08:57:28 AM

All 5 are better shooters than Vander is right now!

Yeah, but those are the top 12 picks. And none of them were close to the 40% mark that you suggested.

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