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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mikekinsella001 on March 30, 2013, 05:36:44 PM
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Yes.
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Think we have another run in us? Van was cool today but assuming he doesn't leave for the league, I think we may have something special next year.
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A less than 30% 3pt shooter who just went 3-15 against an NBA size front line...YES.
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yes
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I don't think there's even a small chance he leaves.
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Not even close. He stays. He can play himself into top 15; now he's end of first round at best. (Talkin out my @ss but that's how I see it)
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Yes. Vander needs to be more well rounded and what better way to do that than with really good teammates around him making him better and getting him more open looks.
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Definitely,hes not close to ready for any level but D1
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YES
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Nm
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A less than 30% 3pt shooter who just went 3-15 against an NBA size front line...YES.
Meh. How many teams is Vander going to be the focus of a defense in the NBA? How many times is he going to play a 2-3 zone in the NBA? How many times is he going to have 0 teammates who can make a 3 point shot, allowing for absolutely no open lanes to the hoop in the NBA? Not many.
He'll be back to take us to the Final Four next year and to improve his draft prospects and move into the 1st round when he finds his 3 point stroke over the summer. But this game didn't make or break that decision.
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Where would he go? Do not think he is transferring...
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The way he played, he better stay. He didn't impress anybody with that last game.
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Where would Vander go? No way NBA...
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He damn well better.
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Is this a serious question?
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There was a nice pregame interview with Vander. However, he talked about growing up with no money. He is gone, if he thinks he can get some money for his family.
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He has great athleticism, is a very good defender and has loads of potential. A NBA team would take a chance on him for these reasons with all the success MU players have recently had as well as Avery Bradley who he has been compared to defensively. I don't think its as cut and dry as how he shot in the last game of the season. And who knows if his motives are to try and make some cash
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I don't know at his size whether he would even be drafted if he decided to test the waters. He can only improve his status by staying.
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LOL, and what go overseas?
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He will declare and not hire an agent, which IMO is the smart thing to do. If he finds a GM to draft him in the first round, he'll go, which he should. But I think he needs one more year to be a NBA 1st rounder.
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The last three games aren't forgotten. He'd get drafted, but likely second round. The question is what's better: second round this year or rolling the dice on a deep draft next year?
I hope he's back, but wouldn't begrudge him if he left.
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He will declare and not hire an agent, which IMO is the smart thing to do. If he finds a GM to draft him in the first round, he'll go, which he should. But I think he needs one more year to be a NBA 1st rounder.
Is this considering testing the waters? NCAA no longer allows this move.
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No. And board will have quite the hey day when he announces his departure. Wouldn't have made it anywhere close this year without him, and I thank him for that. Awesome season, thank you!
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If he doesn't, I hope he knows a foreign language.
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Before he goes, he should listen to what Charles Barkley said in the pre-game.
He's not ready for the NBA. Period. Should be end of discussion.
Dean Smith used to tell his players that if you were one of the top 5 picks, then go. It's doubtful Vander is one of the Top 5 picks... or top 35` picks.
Stick around Vander, you'll be glad you did.
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Is this considering testing the waters? NCAA no longer allows this move.
When did they stop this?
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Unless he wants to end up an undrafted free agent, Vander's back in Blue and Gold.
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Where would he go?
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All I can say is he better get respect regardless of decision on this board. Half the posts on this thread are insulting and I think he deserves better than that. Yes, he had rough game today, but his season was exceptional. Honestly with the crap he has taken over last three years he only owes something to himself, his team and his coach. Most fans showed their true colors regarding him many times over past few years.
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All I can say is he better get respect regardless of decision on this board. Half the posts on this thread are insulting and I think he deserves better than that. Yes, he had rough game today, but his season was exceptional. Honestly with the crap he has taken over last three years he only owes something to himself, his team and his coach. Most fans showed their true colors regarding him many times over past few years.
Half the posts are honest, Goose. Today, he isn't an NBA player. He wasn't all season. If he declares he will regret it. He had an amazing March. If a team comes along and promises him a 1st round pick he should go. But lets be honest. That isn't happening. I have been a Blue supporter from day 1, and a defender from day 2. He just isn't ready yet. I would be SHOCKED if he declared.
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fact is he would get drafted. His athleticism and potential alone would land him on an NBA roster. It's pretty naive to think he has no other option than to stay. And he really doesn't 'owe' this team anything. He played his arse off this season, carried this team and he may want to cash out.
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Now that I thought more about it, it alls depends on what his mother wants. He will stay at MU, if that is what his mother wants and he will go pro, if that is what she wants.
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When did they stop this?
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-04-28/ncaa-all-but-eliminates-test-the-water-time-for-underclassmen
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hards
I would have zero idea if he is ready or not. I am a college basketball fan, not NBA scout. I would not advise him either way and hope he has sound people, including Buzz to guide him. My point is simply the kid has been raked across the coals by scores of fans from his first year here. His off court issues and not playing to expectations made him a lightning rod. Quite simply, I appreciate his effort this season and the role he played in getting the team to E8.
All that said, if he choses to leave I will not be on here saying he is not ready, stupid move or any other negative comment. IMO of the recent MU guys in NBA Vander has the most upside down the road. I do not think he is capped out as a player.
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hards
I would have zero idea if he is ready or not. I am a college basketball fan, not NBA scout. I would not advise him either way and hope he has sound people, including Buzz to guide him. My point is simply the kid has been raked across the coals by scores of fans from his first year here. His off court issues and not playing to expectations made him a lightning rod. Quite simply, I appreciate his effort this season and the role he played in getting the team to E8.
All that said, if he choses to leave I will not be on here saying he is not ready, stupid move or any other negative comment. IMO of the recent MU guys in NBA Vander has the most upside down the road. I do not think he is capped out as a player.
I totally agree with you on all accounts. But he just isn't NBA ready right now. I'm not a scout (lol obviously) but he just isn't a player right now in the league.
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No. Vander will stay. A good senior year and he could be the next MUer in the NBA.
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Yes, I believe he does.
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hards
One question, what Vander played on team like Louisville? Do you think his skill set would be more advanced? He is not a scorer, yet led us all season in scoring. He is a defender and slasher that would be very effective in uptempo style. He played well in a crappy half court environment. Honestly, I hope he is back for selfish reasons.
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All I can say is he better get respect regardless of decision on this board. Half the posts on this thread are insulting and I think he deserves better than that. Yes, he had rough game today, but his season was exceptional. Honestly with the crap he has taken over last three years he only owes something to himself, his team and his coach. Most fans showed their true colors regarding him many times over past few years.
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.
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Goose, I've not been a Blue basher, but I don't think he's NBA-ready. Yes, he's been beat up on this board a lot, and I don't know why except that expectations probably exceeded reality. He had a wonderful March, but needs more seasoning (IMHO). His size, handle, outside shot work against what the league wants.
He has shown an ability to improve his shortcomings - remember what his FT shooting was like before Villanova last year. I haven't looked up his FT shooting % last year to this but it has to be a decent jump. His performane in the tournament this year was impressive. If he has a big year next year, he'll be drafted no matter how strong the class.
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http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-04-28/ncaa-all-but-eliminates-test-the-water-time-for-underclassmen
This doesn't eliminate the ability to declare and return to school. It just shortened the time you had to withdraw your name from 2 weeks to 60 days prior to the draft.
I still think Vander declares, and ultimately withdraws his name to come back for his senior season.
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Guys
I do not want him to go and have no idea if he should go. I just was saying he represented the school and himself with class this year. If he decides to go I hope it does not turn into the usual bashing of guys leaving. Every transfer gets ripped on here, every recruit lost is usually ripped and I think he deserves better than that.
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hards
One question, what Vander played on team like Louisville? Do you think his skill set would be more advanced? He is not a scorer, yet led us all season in scoring. He is a defender and slasher that would be very effective in uptempo style. He played well in a crappy half court environment. Honestly, I hope he is back for selfish reasons.
Perhaps. I know that is a cop out answer, but I'm not sure his skill set translates well to the NBA. He has done AMAZING things with his shooting this offseason. If he is willing to rededicate himself to that he will be a lotto pick. Could he be effective in a D'anotio offense? Yeah probably. But the NBA isn't like college ball. Just look at how much our all time scoring leader (McNeal) has struggled to even get a look in the NBA. Butler was a great shooter, had great size and played great defense... and he is going to be in the NBA for years. Wes is the same way. Lazar has struggled. It isn't easy to judge a player on their college game... I don't eve know what the hell I'm saying right now... I just don't see Van getting picked where it is worth it to not come back and play another year.
This year's draft is extremely weak... but next years is about the same.
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Guys
I do not want him to go and have no idea if he should go. I just was saying he represented the school and himself with class this year. If he decides to go I hope it does not turn into the usual bashing of guys leaving. Every transfer gets ripped on here, every recruit lost is usually ripped and I think he deserves better than that.
totally agree.
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No. Vander will stay. A good senior year and he could be the next MUer in the NBA.
+1. You get more respect when you stay all 4 years. That experience will carry weight for a player as good as Blue.
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Hards
I might be nuts, but I think his ceiling is higher than any player at MU since Wade. IMO his potential as all around player trumps McNeal, who he is commonly compared to.
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Hards
I might be nuts, but I think his ceiling is higher than any player at MU since Wade. IMO his potential as all around player trumps McNeal, who he is commonly compared to.
I don't disagree. I just think that he would do better to come back next year and prove it.
I've said it since I watched him at Madison Memorial that he has all of the tools. This year he has gotten the tools in order. I'd hate for him to declare and get drafted in the 2nd round... when next year he absolutely has all of the potential of a lotto pick.
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I think it was close. Had we made the final 4 and he had a great game today, I would have said he has to go. As it is, he has a chance to be player of the year of the new Big East next year and greatly increase the chance of a first round pick.
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Duane Wilson and Vander, big difference next year! It will be Buzz's best team!
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IMO biggest issue for his return is not reaching lofty expectations. He is young kid that surpassed everyone's hopes this season. I think very unrealistic goals will be placed on him for next season and that is pressure. We both want him back and we will se what happens.
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IMO biggest issue for his return is not reaching lofty expectations. He is young kid that surpassed everyone's hopes this season. I think very unrealistic goals will be placed on him for next season and that is pressure. We both want him back and we will se what happens.
You know, that is a really good point. Dom James came back after his great freshman year, and probably ruined his chances for a guaranteed NBA contract.
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You know, that is a really good point. Dom James came back after his great freshman year, and probably ruined his chances for a guaranteed NBA contract.
Vander would not be even drafted, needs to come a better offensive player, he is not a point guard. He definitively has come along way, but still have a long way to go.
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I don't disagree. I just think that he would do better to come back next year and prove it.
I've said it since I watched him at Madison Memorial that he has all of the tools. This year he has gotten the tools in order. I'd hate for him to declare and get drafted in the 2nd round... when next year he absolutely has all of the potential of a lotto pick.
It's gonna be hard to be a lottery pick next year if you're a senior, I see between 5-10 freshman alone all being seen as lottery picks.
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You bet he stays! Unless he wants to be touring Europe in a bus and play bball nobody watches.
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Guys
I do not want him to go and have no idea if he should go. I just was saying he represented the school and himself with class this year. If he decides to go I hope it does not turn into the usual bashing of guys leaving. Every transfer gets ripped on here, every recruit lost is usually ripped and I think he deserves better than that.
Well put. If he needs the dinero and has a shot why not take it? It's real easy for everyone to have an opinion. If the fridge is empty, maybe it's time to fill it, I suspect Coach will advise him well.
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Considering it is a very weak draft, in my opinion vander should leave this year. Although we will miss him if he leaves, we know that playing in the pros is in his best interest.
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I believe Vander's NBA position is the "1". And I think at least one NBA team would be willing to take him in the second round with the intention of developing him into a PG, with the understanding it would take a season. So if Vander is willing to accept second round money, I see him going. If he stays at MU, and if he and the staff work to develop his PG skills, I can see him getting first round $ in next year's draft.
I think he'd be better off staying.
Or maybe I just want him to stay.....
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I'll preface this with saying I haven't read the comments in this thread but a kid who is a guard thats not 6'6''and just does not shoot the three ball well needs to come back. Vander is a great college player with a high, developing ceiling but he still does not have a long range game. He's incredibly young for his age/eligibility, so I think he'll be a monster next year. He needs to come back.
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A triple double away from leaving. See you next year, vander.
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Maybe Buzz will tell him he will play at point next year, which would allow Johnson to start at the two spot.
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Okay, I think a lot of people are dismissing the idea of Blue leaving. I want to play devil's advocate a bit as to why he should give the NBA a serious thought, and why NBA scouts would also give him a long look:
Vander will only be 20 years old on draft night. He is young for his class (younger than sophomore Mayo) and in the eyes of scouts is a college sophomore. He made his name here with his defense and has proven to be a willing and capable defender. Most important, he has shown the ability to improve. I heard someone talking about how NBA scouts are starting to come around to the idea that potential isn't determined by age but rather by whether or not a player has shown the ability to get better. Vander has shown that in spades.
When he arrived, he was a solid defender. He quickly developed into a very good rebounder and while his rebounding numbers were down this year that was because we needed him to score. He was widely criticized for his shooting form, which has improved by leaps and bounds this year (consistent form, proper release point at height of jump, and making shots out to the arc). His 3P% improved from 16% as a freshman to 25.8% as a sophomore to 30.9% this year. He was also criticized for his finishing at the rim. This year he has become as good a finisher at the rim as we've had since Wade.
If the NBA drafts on potential, Vander should be a first-round pick. It may sound laughable, but this is a 20 year old kid that has made huge strides in his game since he arrived on campus 2-1/2 years ago. I still think he'd be a second-round pick if he came out, but I could very well see him developing into a solid NBA starter at the 2 (if he's legitimately 6'4") and it wouldn't surprise me if he could develop into a borderline All-Star.
Of course he's not there yet. We know that, Buzz knows that, scouts know that, and Vander knows that. But who would you trust more to get there? Someone like Vander who has already demonstrated the dedication to improving his game and ability to make himself a better player or someone like BJ Young (just declared today) who actually seemed to regress a bit as a sophomore and may have hit his peak at 19?
Vander should look at the NBA. I would love to have him back for a year, but if he gets word that he will be picked, he should definitely think about going. And anyone dismissing it out of hand doesn't understand that potential is more than just what class you are in school.
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All I can say is he better get respect regardless of decision on this board. Half the posts on this thread are insulting and I think he deserves better than that. Yes, he had rough game today, but his season was exceptional. Honestly with the crap he has taken over last three years he only owes something to himself, his team and his coach. Most fans showed their true colors regarding him many times over past few years.
Well put, Goose. Very well put.
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Brew city
Nailed it. Biggest thing going for aside from upside potential is his age. He is sophomore age wise and that plays very big part in decision I would think.
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They don't play as much zone in the Association. Vander is best, right now, in the open court. He's come along way. Quick first step, slasher, improved J. I'm figurin' he'll draw an NBA paycheck at some point.
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Just for discussion sake:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=vander-blue&i=1&p1=russell-westbrook
Not saying he will turn into an NBA all star and a 20 ppg player, but don't under estimate how much his athleticism and potential is going to attract an NBA GM.
OTOH, without any real proven options at the PG position, Vander might very well have a chance to show off more of what he can do in that regard next season at MU.
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It's Vander's call. Hope he returns to lead MU to a national championship.
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I haven't read the entire thread but I am interested in the point guard angle. I'm convinced that at the next level Vander slots as a back-up point guard. I don't think he's quite at the level Doc Rivers was at following his Junior year when he decided to enter the draft and was selected in the second round. It was not guaranteed that Glen would actually make the Hawks at the time but his hard work paid off and he began a long successful NBA career.
Coach will do what is best next year but it is entirely possible that the best lineup has Van at the #1 with Tre J at the #2 notwithstanding Buzz' usual desire for Frosh to watch more than they play. To that end, I'd really be surprised to have a Frosh 'run' the offense out of the #1. That would seem to really go against the grain. And as much as I love D Wilson, I think he remains a solid defensive specialist.
Anyway, I can see a scenario where Van moves from the second round (or worse) into the tail end of the first with one more year at Marquette. And I wouldn't put it past coach to arrange a lengthy discussion with Doc about exactly that plan. No doubt some very solid advice to be obtained.
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jsglow
Vander is a PG and that probably is his role in NBA. His strength is getting the ball in transition and moving down court. He played SG due to Junior being here and accepted that role. If back next year I would think we would see him at PG a fair amount.
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Whether or not Vander should leave based on what we saw Saturday or even over the course of the season is immaterial.
How many guys leave who maybe shouldn't? Lots.
How many guys nowhere near as good as Vander have done so? Lots.
How many either have an inflated opinion of themselves, get bad advice from those around them or both? Lots.
I doubt a single poster here has any insight into what's going on in Vander's head right now. Including me.
Do I think leaving now would be his wisest move? Probably not. Do I want him to return? Absolutely. Despite all that, do I think there's a chance he would decide to leave? You bet your sweet bippy I do.
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Watch the NBA sometime and see what type of guards make the league, players who can shot the ball, tell me a GM wants to draft a player with a 30 percent tile from 3 and I will show
you an NBA general manager who will be fired. Vander needs another year, bottom line, needs to get his shooting in the 40 range to make the association.
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Watch the NBA sometime and see what type of guards make the league, players who can shot the ball, tell me a GM wants to draft a player with a 30 percent tile from 3 and I will show
you an NBA general manager who will be fired. Vander needs another year, bottom line, needs to get his shooting in the 40 range to make the association.
That is absolutely false.
Let's look at the 2012 NBA Draft. In the top 12 picks, five SGs were chosen. (Beal, Waiters, Ross, Rivers, Lamb)
Of those five, they all shot at about the 45% clip from 2. And somewhere in the range of 33 - 36% from 3. No one was near 40%.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=austin-rivers&i=1&p1=vander-blue&p2=bradley-beal&p3=dion-walters&p4=terrence-ross&p5=jeremy-lamb
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All 5 are better shooters than Vander is right now!
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All 5 are better shooters than Vander is right now!
Yeah, but those are the top 12 picks. And none of them were close to the 40% mark that you suggested.
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Watch the NBA sometime and see what type of guards make the league, players who can shot the ball, tell me a GM wants to draft a player with a 30 percent tile from 3 and I will show
you an NBA general manager who will be fired. Vander needs another year, bottom line, needs to get his shooting in the 40 range to make the association.
Dwyane Wade shot 31% from three his last year in college.
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All 5 are better shooters than Vander is right now!
Oh, and you know what the difference would have been between Vander as a 33% 3pt shooter and the 30% he finished with?
With his 142 attempts, he would have had to make 4 more shots over the course of the year.
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Okay, I think a lot of people are dismissing the idea of Blue leaving. I want to play devil's advocate a bit as to why he should give the NBA a serious thought, and why NBA scouts would also give him a long look:
Vander will only be 20 years old on draft night. He is young for his class (younger than sophomore Mayo) and in the eyes of scouts is a college sophomore. He made his name here with his defense and has proven to be a willing and capable defender. Most important, he has shown the ability to improve. I heard someone talking about how NBA scouts are starting to come around to the idea that potential isn't determined by age but rather by whether or not a player has shown the ability to get better. Vander has shown that in spades.
When he arrived, he was a solid defender. He quickly developed into a very good rebounder and while his rebounding numbers were down this year that was because we needed him to score. He was widely criticized for his shooting form, which has improved by leaps and bounds this year (consistent form, proper release point at height of jump, and making shots out to the arc). His 3P% improved from 16% as a freshman to 25.8% as a sophomore to 30.9% this year. He was also criticized for his finishing at the rim. This year he has become as good a finisher at the rim as we've had since Wade.
If the NBA drafts on potential, Vander should be a first-round pick. It may sound laughable, but this is a 20 year old kid that has made huge strides in his game since he arrived on campus 2-1/2 years ago. I still think he'd be a second-round pick if he came out, but I could very well see him developing into a solid NBA starter at the 2 (if he's legitimately 6'4") and it wouldn't surprise me if he could develop into a borderline All-Star.
Of course he's not there yet. We know that, Buzz knows that, scouts know that, and Vander knows that. But who would you trust more to get there? Someone like Vander who has already demonstrated the dedication to improving his game and ability to make himself a better player or someone like BJ Young (just declared today) who actually seemed to regress a bit as a sophomore and may have hit his peak at 19?
Vander should look at the NBA. I would love to have him back for a year, but if he gets word that he will be picked, he should definitely think about going. And anyone dismissing it out of hand doesn't understand that potential is more than just what class you are in school.
Exactly. I think the question at this point is if he's invited to chicago to work out. I think the answer will be yes.
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On that Paint Touches interview it sounded like he was planning on returning he said, “Obviously we want to get a little further next year, so now we can set that goal. Our goal this year was to get past the Sweet 16, we achieved that. So now we want to get into the Final Four.” I feel as though that is a hint toward him longing to reach the Final Four.
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On that Paint Touches interview it sounded like he was planning on returning he said, “Obviously we want to get a little further next year, so now we can set that goal. Our goal this year was to get past the Sweet 16, we achieved that. So now we want to get into the Final Four.” I feel as though that is a hint toward him longing to reach the Final Four.
Why isn't his goal to win the national title?
He's willing to settle for the Final Four? Let him leave!
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Why isn't his goal to win the national title?
He's willing to settle for the Final Four? Let him leave!
That is his goal...but obviously you have to make the 'Final Four' first don't you?
Get there first...and then worry about two more wins. I think that should have gone without him having to say that.
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Oh, and you know what the difference would have been between Vander as a 33% 3pt shooter and the 30% he finished with?
With his 142 attempts, he would have had to make 4 more shots over the course of the year.
The NBA 3pt shot is not the college 3pt shot. The NBA is all about measurables and name recognition and recall. Vander has some measurables skils that are off the charts good.
He has a great vertical. Quickness, Explosion. And burst to the ball and good size and ballhandling and passing skills in the open floor.
One thing that will go against him in my opinion is he has no true position right now at 6'3/6'4 in a league and draft that is guard heavy.
It is a weak draft in some regards but he would do well to stay and come out next year with Jamil and maybe Devante instead of by himself. Wesley, Jerel, and Dominic were helped just like Jimmy and Jae coming out with teammates.
Don't remember if Novak came out alone...but that is not always good. Usually it helps coming out to the NBA draft with a teammate.
If you have a good to great tournament they will remember you. NBA scouts are dizzy...many of them cannnot assess a player any better then you or I.
It's a meat market. they will take kids who are not ready simply to get them before someone else does because every team thinks they can fix the kid when the kid should stay in school another year.
That money is the same regardless pretty much.
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That is absolutely false.
Let's look at the 2012 NBA Draft. In the top 12 picks, five SGs were chosen. (Beal, Waiters, Ross, Rivers, Lamb)
Of those five, they all shot at about the 45% clip from 2. And somewhere in the range of 33 - 36% from 3. No one was near 40%.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=austin-rivers&i=1&p1=vander-blue&p2=bradley-beal&p3=dion-walters&p4=terrence-ross&p5=jeremy-lamb
This is NOT FALSE...that is true. That is what is wrong with the NBA now, most of the guards can't shoot!
If Vander had made the Final Four and MU shot the ball better and beat 'Cuse he would be drafted high.
But losing in the Elite Eight like they did and shooting like they did against a zone and being on National TV and having a record setting futility % rating had to hurt him in the eyes of scouts.
If he returns and he is All Big East if not a possible All American Canidate as he could be...he can be a possible late lottery pick or first round guy next year if he works on that jumper a bit more.
With a program like MU on the rise and the recruiting class coming in and he being the returning Star and Senior leader, there is no doubt in my mind...
But all it takes is for one fool to make a promise to him and think they can fix him and boom.
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Whether or not Vander should leave based on what we saw Saturday or even over the course of the season is immaterial.
How many guys leave who maybe shouldn't? Lots.
How many guys nowhere near as good as Vander have done so? Lots.
How many either have an inflated opinion of themselves, get bad advice from those around them or both? Lots.
I doubt a single poster here has any insight into what's going on in Vander's head right now. Including me.
Do I think leaving now would be his wisest move? Probably not. Do I want him to return? Absolutely. Despite all that, do I think there's a chance he would decide to leave? You bet your sweet bippy I do.
Well duh....of course there is a chance. We know that! All it takes is one person to whisper in his ear.
He seems like he is a very impressionable guy imo and is very self confident in himself.
But I also feel he is also honest with himself to where he is his own man and will do what he feels is best regardless to what we think.
i dont think McleMore of Kansas is ready but he might be the #1 pick. Hell, I don't think Shabazz Muhammad is ready either,, but he will go!
I don't think the Smart kid at Oklahoma State is ready yet for the NBA...but I do think Tim Hardaway Jr is...and the Relaford kid for the Jayhawks is.
So it is all relative.
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This is NOT FALSE...that is true. That is what is wrong with the NBA now, most of the guards can't shoot!
Well, I'm not sure if that is the case or not, but that really isn't the point of what I called "false." What is false is BC's assertion that he would have to shoot a 3 point percentage of around 40% to be drafted.
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The latest Draft Express 2014 Mock Draft has Vander going 21st overall. Crazy. Let's see what the kid can do his senior year.
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The latest Draft Express 2014 Mock Draft has Vander going 21st overall. Crazy. Let's see what the kid can do his senior year.
Jamil at 36
Vander at 47
Deonte Burton at 43
http://www.nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft
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Thats Deonte Burton of Nevada
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Thats Deonte Burton of Nevada
I'm assuming that's why he wrote in in teal? ;D
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Jamil at 36
Vander at 47
Deonte Burton at 43
http://www.nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft
47th in a draft that is considered the worst in over a decade.
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47th in a draft that is considered the worst in over a decade.
2013 is weak, 2014 is loaded.
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Xactly.
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Think hell get away with the left/right arm wards in the NBA?
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2013 is weak, 2014 is loaded.
Draft Express and CBS still don't have Vander being drafted this year.
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Draft Express and CBS still don't have Vander being drafted this year.
Nor should they...if we're honest about it.
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Think hell get away with the left/right arm wards in the NBA?
He won't need them in the NBA. They don't allow you to handcheck like they do in college.
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In order to get an NBA job, anyone 6'5" and smaller needs to be able to shoot. Vander still has a flawed shot and no range. There are no examples in the NBA of people like him who've made it and stick. Remember, Crowder is still a fringe player, and DJO didn't make it in NBA (and not getting much PT in Europe) and they were both way better than Vander is now.
In order to get a job in Europe (where everyone plays zone), you need to be able to shoot.
Vander's only options would be China or Philippines or anywhere else they play pick-up ball for money, and it wouldn't be worth leaving now for $40k a year there when he could still play another year at MU and move into the first round, where at least he'll get a guaranteed contract worth much more.
I do believe he'll learn how to shoot. He needs one more year.