Sour grapes on Davidson board

[CTWarrior]

Marquette didn't win; Davidson lost.

Marquette is unbelievably, historically lucky to escape with a win.

I disagree with this.  We made three well-guarded threes, two FTs and a driving layup in the last 90 seconds.  We did a lot to win that game.  Davidson made 5-6 (83.3%) of their FTs and made 1 turnover.  Granted that was a huge turnover, but we did a lot to put ourselves in the position to win that game.

[mug644]

Seashells and balloons.

-Al

[jsglow]

Key question is why were you there and your better half was working to pay the mortgage and tuition bills?  Second key question:  What was your cover story so I can use it next weekend in DC during Easter weekend?

Chick is flying down today.  Work commitments prevented her from making the Thursday game.  My thoughts with 3-4 minutes to go was that she'd be cancelling her trip and I'd be driving home on Friday.   

Best part was that she had DVRed the game at home and was careful to avoid hearing a score at work. I was under strict instructions not to update her in any way.  So I got the explosion of excitement all over again when she called 90 minutes after the game had actually ended. Priceless.

[MUMonster03]

You don't have to win pretty, you don't have to win bug, all you have to do at this time of year is score 1 more point than your opponent. Regardless of how we did it that is what happened yesterday. We are moving on to play another day Davidson's season ends painfully like ours did in 08, 09, and 10. It is what makes March Madness so extremely exciting. You can experience the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. Instead of looking forward to next year we get to continue this season until at least Saturday and then the range of emotions starts again.

[exercisevanity]

I got the explosion of excitement all over again when she called 90 minutes after the game had actually ended. Priceless.

explosion of excitement = winning

[muwarrior69]

All I can say to the Davidson fans is that I would rather loose a heartbreaker that get blown out!

[GGGG]

Take it up with the others that also said it.  We were lucky, as Buzz stated.  Coaches don't miss free throws, miss shots, etc.  Davidson was in that position to win because of the outstanding coaching their coach did and some crazy arse lineups we had that couldn't buy a basket.  Again, there had to be 30 people here saying the same thing today...take it up with them.

I enjoyed the comeback, didn't enjoy the fact we were in the position we were in. 

MU executed when they had to...Davidson didn't.  Luck had absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

http://www.davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php?t=17408

[Hards Alumni]

http://www.davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php?t=17408

Now that one is a little bit of sour grapes.  I thought that the zebras were pretty even, imo gave Davidson the benefit of the doubt on a few calls.

[mu_hilltopper]

That whole "unfair" timeout talk is stupid sauce. 

It's not like it's unusual.  End game situations where the time clock is reviewed happens, what, 20 times a week in the NCAA?   

BOTH teams get the benefit of the pause in action.   

In any event, Buzz admitted they didn't so much talk strategy, as the play was known and practiced a few times before (SJU game) .. said the benefit was that it gave the guys a little breather.  (Same as Davidson's guys, of course.)

[forgetful]

That whole "unfair" timeout talk is stupid sauce. 

It's not like it's unusual.  End game situations where the time clock is reviewed happens, what, 20 times a week in the NCAA?   

BOTH teams get the benefit of the pause in action.   

In any event, Buzz admitted they didn't so much talk strategy, as the play was known and practiced a few times before (SJU game) .. said the benefit was that it gave the guys a little breather.  (Same as Davidson's guys, of course.)

This is key.  I'm sure use about every one of the fans here realized that we were going to go to some version of the Vander St. Johns play.  Their coach should have scouted us sufficiently to know the same thing and had time to scheme against it because of the ref timeout.

Apparently Buzz schemed better and we won.  That's it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

MU executed when they had to...Davidson didn't.  Luck had absolutely nothing to do with it.

I guess our head coach disagrees with you.


"We're lucky to still be standing"
Buzz Williams

[GGGG]

I guess our head coach disagrees with you.


"We're lucky to still be standing"
Buzz Williams

Or he's speaking hyperbole like he often does.

I'm surprised you buy into that stuff.

[Hards Alumni]

Or he's speaking hyperbole like he often does.

I'm surprised you buy into that stuff.

+1 coach speak.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Or he's speaking hyperbole like he often does.

I'm surprised you buy into that stuff.

He's honest to a fault, he knows it to be the case.  Watch the last 10 seconds where he is screaming for us to foul, which we actually did but the ref doesn't call it (watch what our two guys do to their player under the basket)....instead they throw it away.  That is luck, that is not our execution.  If we actually "executed" the plan Buzz wanted, Davidson is at the stripe taking two free throws up by one point.  Ironic.

Fast forward to 1:50, watch Buzz and what he wanted "executed"...then watch what we do to the player...foul him...we got lucky that we didn't do what he wanted and we didn't get called for it. 


https://www.youtube.com/v/_bczliDvZL4

Nothing to do with coach speak.  We got a huge break, followed by another huge break (within the rules)  to allow us design a play with no timeouts.  

Coach isn't lying, we are lucky to be here.  

[Lennys Tap]

"We're lucky to still be standing"
Buzz Williams

It's called humility. An admirable quality you seem to be unfamiliar with.

[GGGG]

Nothing to do with coach speak.  We got a huge break, followed by another huge break (within the rules)  to allow us design a play with no timeouts. 

Coach isn't lying, we are lucky to be here. 

Both teams had the time.  Nothing lucky about it.  Buzz simply used it better.  He outcoached McKillop there.

See how that works?

[StillAWarrior]

I'm sorry, but I'm a huge Marquette fan and I absolutely think we got a little lucky to win that game.  That's not a slight on the team or a criticism of Buzz.  Anyone who watched that game yesterday and can't admit (or is unwilling to admit) that it took a little luck to win that game is just being obstinate.  There's no shame in admitting that the ball happened to bounce your way, and it doesn't make you any less of a fan.

[muwarrior69]

It wasn't luck, it was the Pope card according to Homer (a UW grad to boot)!

[GGGG]

I'm sorry, but I'm a huge Marquette fan and I absolutely think we got a little lucky to win that game.  That's not a slight on the team or a criticism of Buzz.  Anyone who watched that game yesterday and can't admit (or is unwilling to admit) that it took a little luck to win that game is just being obstinate.  There's no shame in admitting that the ball happened to bounce your way, and it doesn't make you any less of a fan.

Out-executing the other team isn't luck....it's sports.

Granted, in my world that *does* mean that there is very little room for "luck" in sports.

[wadesworld]

I'm sorry, but I'm a huge Marquette fan and I absolutely think we got a little lucky to win that game.  That's not a slight on the team or a criticism of Buzz.  Anyone who watched that game yesterday and can't admit (or is unwilling to admit) that it took a little luck to win that game is just being obstinate.  There's no shame in admitting that the ball happened to bounce your way, and it doesn't make you any less of a fan.

I do agree that some of the shots in the last minute plus the turnover took some luck to happen all at once, but I also felt like the entire game we actually played fairly well and the ball just didn't bounce our way. We were getting the looks we wanted but they just weren't falling. I thought the end kind of evened it out. When I was thinking we were done I couldn't even be that mad, my only thought was "Today just was not our day." Sometimes the ball just doesn't roll your way, and I thought for 38 1/2 minutes it didn't. Thankfully, for the 1 1/2 minutes we needed the ball to roll our way, it did.

[StillAWarrior]

Out-executing the other team isn't luck....it's sports.

Granted, in my world that *does* mean that there is very little room for "luck" in sports.

That would be the "obstinate" part that I referenced.  You've set your own definition..and that's fine...even if a little obstinate.

And I don't dispute that we out-executed Davidson in some respects down the stretch.  I don't think that there's necessarily anything inconsistent in saying that we out-executed and we got a little lucky.

[GGGG]

That would be the "obstinate" part that I referenced.  You've set your own definition..and that's fine...even if a little obstinate.

Obstinate is changing the definition of "luck," which is what you are doing.

Luck: Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

It wasn't by chance that they won.  It was by their own actions.

[mu-rara]

Is it just me, or is Chicos working triple overtime to minimize this great win?

[StillAWarrior]

Obstinate is changing the definition of "luck," which is what you are doing.

Luck: Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

It wasn't by chance that they won.  It was by their own actions.

Obstinate is insisting that everything was brought about by one's own actions, when there were multiple factors at play, all of which influenced the ultimate outcome.