Sour grapes on Davidson board

[ChicosBailBonds]

You crack me up.

Its ok to be lucky sometimes.  ITs OK!!  LOL

Sometimes, when you play like crap but find a way to win with some luck, IT's OK.

Mets against the Red Sox....they won...they got lucky. 

Some of you take it as some great scarlet letter against the team or Buzz or whatever.  Good grief.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good...that's what happened yesterday.  We made some killer shots...that's execution.  We then got very lucky with three consecutive items in a span of 3 seconds.  ITs OK.  It is a win, a great win....and we were lucky.  I will take it. 

Buzz knows it, every fan base in the country knows it except for a few here that think we executed them throwing it out of bounds, executed the shot clock review by the officials, executed fouling their player but not having the ref call it.  LOL.  Sorry, the video doesn't lie.

Great win....rather be lucky than good sometimes because most of yesterday's game we weren't that good.

[ecompt]

I think some MU fans saw the other team was wearing red and just presumed their fans were classless, arrogant morons. Not the case with Davidson. Terrific program, classy fans on their board.

[leever]

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good...that's what happened yesterday.  We made some killer shots...that's execution.  We then got very lucky with three consecutive items in a span of 3 seconds.  ITs OK.  It is a win, a great win....and we were lucky.  I will take it. 

Buzz knows it, every fan base in the country knows it except for a few here that think we executed them throwing it out of bounds, executed the shot clock review by the officials, executed fouling their player but not having the ref call it.  LOL.  Sorry, the video doesn't lie.

Great win....rather be lucky than good sometimes because most of yesterday's game we weren't that good.

Chicos -

I agree with most of this.  But, I do think that they threw the ball out of bounds at least in part because we had two guys running at the passer and putting a lot of pressure on in the backcourt - that's not luck.  The foul that you describe clearly happened, but once the ball left his hands the refs were paying attention to the pass and not the passer at that point.  They missed it, and that was lucky.

And, you're right that it's lucky there was a review of the time left.  Keep in mind that the clock WAS wrong.  We might all be crying about poor officiating if we didn't get that extra time.

[Lennys Tap]

Is it just me, or is Chicos working triple overtime to minimize this great win?

It's not just you. He's been doing it on a regular basis ever since his "epiphany" on April 8, 2008.

[Lennys Tap]

 

Buzz knows it, every fan base in the country knows it except for a few here that think we executed them throwing it out of bounds, executed the shot clock review by the officials, executed fouling their player but not having the ref call it.  LOL.  Sorry, the video doesn't lie.

So when the other team turns it over it's luck? I'd say poor play on Davidson's part. An official missed a call? They probably missed 20 during the game. Always do. We got lucky because of a clock review? That's automatic in that situation. This would be comical but at least understandable coming from a Davidson fan. It's just silly and argumentative coming from one of ours.

If you want to say we were lucky that three straight threes went in, okay. But the thing is we MADE those shots. And we missed a lot we usually make earlier. Does that mean we were unlucky?

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Time to chuck bad monitor rule that gave Marquette extra timeout

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-03-21/marquette-davidson-comeback-timeout-monitor-tuck-rule-extra-timeout

Thanks AOL Sports

[nathanziarek]

Time to chuck bad monitor rule that gave Marquette extra timeout

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-03-21/marquette-davidson-comeback-timeout-monitor-tuck-rule-extra-timeout

Thanks AOL Sports

I guess I just don't get the complaint. If Marquette had a time out at that point, didn't use it, but still huddled up to discuss the play, would everyone still be complaining? Didn't Davidson huddle up during that time without wasting one of their timeouts?

I get the being pissed at the presser and saying things you don't really mean. That's going to happen. But that fact that this has become a meme is really intriguing to me.

[The Process]

Time to chuck bad monitor rule that gave Marquette extra timeout

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-03-21/marquette-davidson-comeback-timeout-monitor-tuck-rule-extra-timeout

Thanks AOL Sports

This was, what, the mirror of the game winning play run against SJU?  Huddle or no huddle, they probably would have run the same play.  The fact that Davidson's coach failed to recognize that this was likely the play call and failed to prep his team properly in his huddle is not an excuse for him to groan about the rule needing to be changed.  I wish someone in the media would bring that up rather than focusing on his need for a wah-bulance.

The reason why this is becoming a meme is because the analysts who picked Davidson need to validate why they were right and how their brilliance was spoiled by some "stupid" rule.

[CTWarrior]

Besides the time out an all that, who didn't know Vander was getting the ball and driving to the hoop?  If there was no time out, Vander was going to get the ball and drive it to the hoop.  You could make a convincing argument that the TO should have helped Davidson more than us as they had time to plan a defense to the play.

[timinatorx3]

I guess I just don't get the complaint. If Marquette had a time out at that point, didn't use it, but still huddled up to discuss the play, would everyone still be complaining? Didn't Davidson huddle up during that time without wasting one of their timeouts?

I get the being pissed at the presser and saying things you don't really mean. That's going to happen. But that fact that this has become a meme is really intriguing to me.

Exactly right. The whole basis of the complaint is the idea that a team must use a timeout if it is going to huddle up and discuss the play. But Davidson huddled up and discussed defensive strategy without calling a time out just as much as Marquette did offensive strategy. The same standard needs to apply to Davidson. But had Davidson called a timeout to be able to discuss the play, as they apparently feel a team must (even though they didn't), Marquette also would have been able to huddle up and discuss the play during that timeout. And we'd still be in the exact same spot we are now.

I fail to see the unfair advantage.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Exactly right. The whole basis of the complaint is the idea that a team must use a timeout if it is going to huddle up and discuss the play. But Davidson huddled up and discussed defensive strategy without calling a time out just as much as Marquette did offensive strategy. The same standard needs to apply to Davidson. But had Davidson called a timeout to be able to discuss the play, as they apparently feel a team must (even though they didn't), Marquette also would have been able to huddle up and discuss the play during that timeout. And we'd still be in the exact same spot we are now.

I fail to see the unfair advantage.

Great point on the Davidson time out saved.  The reason being is that after Vander scored, they used their last time out with one second left to set up a Hail Mary play...otherwise, if they used that to set up a defensive set, they would have been in a scramble.  Fact is, both teams benefited equallynwith the clock review...and one could argue Davidson benefitted more.

In the end, McKillop was out coached as he had the wrong defensive set called out of the stoppage.

[Avenue Commons]

The "extra timeout" was not an "unfair advantage." I still don't understand why Davidson didn't go to a 2/3 zone given our faster and more athletic players. I could see them going man only if we needed a 3. With limited time they could have gone zone and doubled the player with the ball. There wasn't time for an extra pass and shot. There was literally only a second to spare after MU got its shot off.

[TJ]

The timeout that people should be complaining about is after a guy fouls out. I hate that - coach should get enough time to point to someone sitting on the bench and that's it.

All this hype, on the otherhand, is a waste of time. The only way would be to take away official reviews, and as annoying as they can be sometimes they usually do more good than harm. How can you say that the coach can't talk to his team when the officials stop play for an extended period of time to go to the monitor?

[GGGG]

This wouldn't be an issue at all if McKillop hadn't whined about it.  You would see no debates...no articles...nothing.  Yet the referees did everything within the boundaries of the rules.

[TJ]

This wouldn't be an issue at all if McKillop hadn't whined about it.  You would see no debates...no articles...nothing.  Yet the referees did everything within the boundaries of the rules.

exactly

[77ncaachamps]

Not sure if this was posted. Postgame video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RREpNTcXEU&sns=em

[The Process]

This wouldn't be an issue at all if McKillop hadn't whined about it.  You would see no debates...no articles...nothing.  Yet the referees did everything within the boundaries of the rules.

Bingo. Too bad the journalists can't call him out for whining about something that he should have used to set up a zone for the OBVIOUS play call. Staying in a man D is what gave Vander the chance to drive like that. Did McKillop not watch ANY game film of MU?  Does Davidson not have so much as a VCR, let alone YouTube?

[Sheriff]

Luck occurs at the crossroads of preparation and opportunity.

[NotAnAlum]

Sure it was luck and MU took advantage of the situation.  I seem to recall an NCAA game against Mizzou when one of their guys, a poor free throw shooter, was "hurt" when fouled and they got to bring one of their best free throw shooters in to take the shots.  What comes around goes around.
But even if they wanted to how could they "fix" this advantage.  So you say MU can't huddle.  So can Buzz stand in the coaches box and the 5 starters stand in bounds right next to him??  Is he not allowed to talk, can he not use sign language, do the players have to stand right where they were when the official time out was called.  This is stupid, its not a big advantage (not anywhere near the advantage of picking a free throw shooter), just move on.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

It's not just you. He's been doing it on a regular basis ever since his "epiphany" on April 8, 2008.

He's actually been doing it since Joanie Crean was friendly to his MU-clad wife in a mall during a previous NCAA appearance.

[keefe]

Yes. Ya betta recognize Jonathan Xavier when he's in your face!

I'd love a gif file of him walking onto the court and trying to call time out. It was awesome on so many levels.

http://youtu.be/MqVGMLBOqnY

He went pretty meekly, though. You gotta admit.