NY Post: Butler, Dayton, Xavier to Big East 2013. SLU & Creighton 2014.

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://blackburnreview.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/new-big-east-analysis-v4-0.pdf

Dayton more than holds their own in the new Big East

I love soccer, but putting it in there to bolster your argument is a huge stretch.  The basketball records is also a big stretch because they have been done against different levels of competition.  Creighton may have the best record over the last 10 years, but what would their record have been if they played the same schedule as the C7 teams...certain worse.

I think if you want more credibility, strip out the other sports, add in RPI or Sagarin ratings for the last 10 years.  Add things like players in the NBA, etc.  Basketball is going to drive this, so it should be about basketball when making this comparison.

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Again, read the sheet.  That is based on overall athletic department performance counting in olympic sports and academics.  Obviously Men's basketball is by far most important, but overall Dayton's athletic department is very comparable.

Olympic sports and graduation rates are non-starters. No one cares.

topper/Rocky/Sprial...you guys may have to close registration to Scoop like UDPride did.

[MDMU04]

Olympic sports and graduation rates are non-starters. No one cares.

topper/Rocky/Sprial...you guys may have to close registration to Scoop like UDPride did.

They can't do that! Where would we get all of our information about Dayton's awesome attendance from?

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In Dayton's defense, they seem to have good attendance for being a non-tourny team.

Give them an improved schedule (in the new conference) and they should be able to draw really well.

If that translates to success, I have not idea... but it's a start.

1.) Dayton plays in Dayton, which is known for...uh...um...University of Dayton? There's nothing to do there, of course they get good attendance. It's the one thing to do in that city other than tricking out your mid-90's Cavalier.

2.) They've always had solid attendance, but have progressively been worse overtime. Their trend is down, down and down.

3.) History has shown that regardless of income/opportunity, Dayton never reinvests into their basketball program. It brings all the Dayton boys to the yard, but they're like damn let's take the money and not keep a head coach, improve our arena, improve our player amenities, etc.

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They can't do that! Where would we get all of our information about Dayton's awesome attendance from?

But if they don't, they will have to start sub-forums for all these Olympic sports that are so important.

[Warriors10]

I like this news just for the fact when the truth comes out and Dayton isn't in, all that excitement is blown up.

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I like this news just for the fact when the truth comes out and Dayton isn't in, all that excitement is blown up.

If they would announce that Dayton will never be considered for the Big East, ever, I'll throw a party at Upper 90.

[muwarrior69]

The success of the league will primarily depend on the coaches each schools has and their commitment by the administration to put high major talent on the court. If some schools don't cut it (give them around 5 years) the league can ask them to leave. When Coach K, Williams (UNC), Calapari  et al leave, their programs will decline. Look how long it took Indiana to become competitive again. It is my opinion that the success of each program depends on the coach.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I'm no expert on the subject so someone correct me if I am off here.

One of the problems Creighton may be facing for next year is they are scheduled to be in the same exempt tournament as us, the 77 Classic. Two teams from the same conference are not allowed to be in the same exempt tournament. This may be a stumbling block for them joining next year unless the NCAA makes some exceptions due to all the realignment.

Not sure if any other tournaments have this same problem for next year or not.

No problem with Creighton & Marquette in the Direct TV. That has nothing to do with the league. NCAA doesn't run realignment or have control.

[Coleman]

I'd honestly rather have 9 teams than Dayton.

Run a 16 game round robin schedule and call it done. Add SLU and Creighton when possible. Stay at 11 until you get an opportunity to add a quality program. Heck, wait to see if any more quality A-10 teams bubble up to the top of that conference, and poach them once they prove themselves. Run the A-10 like the Big East minor league it truly is. Why rush and add their 10th best team?

I know FOX Sports wants 12 teams. But are they willing to give us more $$$ per team for it?

[Litehouse]

Does Dayton sell beer in their arena?  This is more important than their soccer team.

[Knight Commission]

For what it's worth I say include Dayton. Always felt the socio economic demographic of the Dayton student mirrored MU, albeit with a East Coast slant.  The Ghetto and Dark Side always had a MU feel to it.  Their program is on the decline but will be on par with Seton Hall in the "upper" bottom third of the conference.  I actually like the passion of the fans, even though they are completely jaded. The worst game I've seen MU game play in the past 6 years was that game Gregory out coached Buzz at the Sears Center

[Aughnanure]

I'd honestly rather have 9 teams than Dayton.

Run a 16 game round robin schedule and call it done. Add SLU and Creighton when possible. Stay at 11 until you get an opportunity to add a quality program. Heck, wait to see if any more quality A-10 teams bubble up to the top of that conference, and poach them once they prove themselves. Run the A-10 like the Big East minor league it truly is. Why rush and add their 10th best team?

I know FOX Sports wants 12 teams. But are they willing to give us more $$$ per team for it?

No reasons not to go to 10. Everyone plays an 18-game conference schedule now. Plus its uneven so one team will be inactive every weekend.

[Norm]

For what it's worth I say include Dayton. Always felt the socio economic demographic of the Dayton student mirrored MU, albeit with a East Coast slant.  The Ghetto and Dark Side always had a MU feel to it.  Their program is on the decline but will be on par with Seton Hall in the "upper" bottom third of the conference.  I actually like the passion of the fans, even though they are completely jaded. The worst game I've seen MU game play in the past 6 years was that game Gregory out coached Buzz at the Sears Center

ABD Knight!! What are you, from the Cincy are or something?

[Avenue Commons]

Can I say something positive about Dayton? They have a love of partying that would rival 80's era Marquette. Really, really fun place.

[Knight Commission]

ABD Knight!! What are you, from the Cincy are or something?

Slightly better option than the other U of D (Titans) that you want.

[tower912]

I've been rooting for Dayton all along, so, if true, huzzah.

[Avenue Commons]

I've been rooting for Dayton all along, so, if true, huzzah.

I'm unabashedly in the UD camp as well. All the UD alumna I know I like a lot.

I don't know anyone from Richmond or VCU. I stick with my own.

[Norm]

Slightly better option than the other U of D (Titans) that you want.

I only want the Titans if it means Dayton is out. I've never advocated for UDM to join, just pointed out some positives if they were included.

[MUMountin]

For what it's worth I say include Dayton. Always felt the socio economic demographic of the Dayton student mirrored MU, albeit with a East Coast slant.  The Ghetto and Dark Side always had a MU feel to it.  Their program is on the decline but will be on par with Seton Hall in the "upper" bottom third of the conference.  I actually like the passion of the fans, even though they are completely jaded. The worst game I've seen MU game play in the past 6 years was that game Gregory out coached Buzz at the Sears Center

Just throwing my two cents in, but I do agree that they fit in with us really well culturally.  I live in Denver, and for whatever reason, almost half of my friends out here are UD alums.   

They all know how to have a really good time, and have a ton of passion and pride in their school--to an extent that I would say is not matched by most schools.

There are a lot of Chicagolanders that go there, and tend to come down to choosing between MU and UD.  I think the two schools offer pretty similar experiences, and turn out really good people. 

Now, I'm not saying that their basketball program is great, or that should decide the whole thing.  But, I think people get a little carried away with the whole anti-Dayton thing. 

And, at the end, while they have not been a great program, they aren't that far off, as others have noted.  I think the biggest thing that they've suffered from is being a stepping stone--lost a couple of good coaches over the years to major conferences.  If they are elevated to the Big East, they might even have a better chance of getting a good coach to stick around and build some momentum.  So, while I agree they are definitely not the same caliber as X or Butler, I don't think the downside is generally as bad as most make it out to be.

[Knight Commission]

I only want the Titans if it means Dayton is out. I've never advocated for UDM to join, just pointed out some positives if they were included.

Sorry. I should of said UDM not U of D.  That in itself says a lot.

[keefe]

Post has always had a pretty solid sports department in my opinion.

This article was written by Don Burke, a Marquette grad. He was my RA in McCormick.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/march_badness_gS3MN56DxZzLby80Th9m2J

[Mutaman]

The Post is good for more than just sports coverage and catchy headlines.
http://takimag.com/article/a_tale_of_two_new_yorks_gavin_mcinnes/print#axzz2NLiE1VBO

No its not. The idea that the Post represents more than New Yorkers who are white reactionaries is total nonsense that could only come from a white reactionary like Taki. Granted there are some good writers like Brooks and Mushnick there, but getting past the typical Murdoch BS to find them just isn't worth the trouble.

[ChicosBailBonds]

No its not. The idea that the Post represents more than New Yorkers who are white reactionaries is total nonsense that could only come from a white reactionary like Taki. Granted there are some good writers like Brooks and Mushnick there, but getting past the typical Murdoch BS to find them just isn't worth the trouble.

To each their own.  Plenty of BS at the other papers in town as well....lots of bloviating as well. 

[Jet915]

Interesting...

A report in the New York Post Wednesday said Dayton, will join Xavier and Butler as additions to the seven next season and Creighton and Saint Louis would join in 2014. But Lenn Robbins who wrote the story then told our Doug Harris late Wednesday afternoon that he'd head Dayton would be the last team him.

He said the reference was to the 12th team in, not the 10th.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/throughthearch/entries/2013/03/13/dayton_and_the_new_big_east.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter