NY Post: Butler, Dayton, Xavier to Big East 2013. SLU & Creighton 2014.

[shoothoops]

From a basketball standpoint, it will be interesting to see if Archie Miller can replicate the success of his brother Sean as a head coach.  Sean has been successful.  

Dayton has one NCAA win in four appearances over the past two decades plus.  Two appearances under Purnell and two under Gregory.  Interesting side note for Purnell is that in 25 years as a D-1 head coach, none of his teams have ever won an NCAA game.  You have toto back to the 89-90 Jim O' Brien season to find the next NCAA tourney appearance prior to the four mentioned above.  

[TomW1365]

Everybody seems to have a bold prediction here so here's mine. Depaul will be a .500 team in conference within the next 3 years. Now how do I set that as my signature?

I agree!  Thanks to Dayton, Creighton, Seton Hall.

[GGGG]

I am sure that back to NC games to Butler probably does mean more to Butler. I would nor sacrifice that at long term success at MU for that. I would say that Butler success long term only happens if Stephens remains. I love the SLU story of last two years because of my fondness for Rick, but long term I see them falling back to where they were pre Rick.

Again, I am not so sure if Butler even makes NCAA those two years if they played in BE those years. It was historic run by them and I love the story. However, I do look at reality and think they might have been on outside looking in if they played BE those years.

Butler has done more than that.  They have been two a couple additional S16s in the past decade under a different coach as well.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Remember when Mike Deane was about to leave Sienna and head to Dayton until Marquette called when O'Neill left?

KO pushed Cords hard to hire Deane.

[Norm]

KO pushed Cords hard to hire Deane.

Were those two drinking buddies? They both seemed to like their brew.

I actually think Deane was a good game-day bench coach, just wish he had been a better recruiter. Some of those wins over Cincinnati and Louisville were fun to watch - and MU didn't have near the talent those UC and UL teams had.

[🏀]

I was actually sitting in Sobelman's when I saw this thread.

My immediate reaction you ask?

[Pakuni]

I am sure that back to NC games to Butler probably does mean more to Butler. I would nor sacrifice that at long term success at MU for that. I would say that Butler success long term only happens if Stephens remains.

We at Scoop have been through this before, but Butler was successful under three consecutive coaches pre-Stevens.
Between 1997 and 2007 (pre-Stevens), Butler made six NCAA appearances with two Sweet 16s, three NITs and had nine seasons with 22+ wins. They were a Sweet 16 team the year before Stevens got the job, so their success isn't simply a byproduct of his hiring.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Were those two drinking buddies? They both seemed to lick their brew.

I actually think Deane was a good game-day bench coach, just wish he had been a better recruiter. Some of those wins over Cincinnati and Louisville were fun to watch - and MU didn't have near the talent those UC and UL teams had.

KO knew Deane and Crean (was in his wedding). 

[LloydMooresLegs]

I was actually sitting in Sobelman's when I saw this thread.

My immediate reaction you ask?

Sometimes expectations are exceeded.

[Goose]

Sultan

Butler is a great feel good story to me. Have cheered for them past few years and loved their run. IMO it will be very tough for them down the road. The road for MU has become tougher as well due to the new conference. Time will tell.

Pakuni

I understand this has been discussed a ton her, but appreciate the reminder. All I know is outside of last few years I highly doubt if we had Butler play at home that kids would be camping out for tickets. You can evaluate their success anyway you want. I will add that I am long disappointed in their joining, just not doing cartwheels because of it. Addition of Daytin, SLU and Creighton bother me because major step backwards.

[Chips]

http://blackburnreview.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/new-big-east-analysis-v4-0.pdf

Dayton more than holds their own in the new Big East

[The Process]

I was actually sitting in Sobelman's when I saw this thread.

You also pound a drink or three?

[GGGG]

Sultan

Butler is a great feel good story to me. Have cheered for them past few years and loved their run. IMO it will be very tough for them down the road. The road for MU has become tougher as well due to the new conference. Time will tell.

But again...who else do you want?   I mean, if you look at the realistic choices, Butler and Xavier seem like no brainers.

[Pakuni]

http://blackburnreview.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/new-big-east-analysis-v4-0.pdf

Dayton more than holds their own in the new Big East

I'm sorry, are you asking us to take seriously an analysis that has Dayton ranked as a better basketball program than Butler, and Creighton ranked ahead of Marquette, Georgetown, Xavier and Villanova?

[LloydMooresLegs]

I'm sorry, are you asking us to take seriously an analysis that has Dayton ranked as a better basketball program than Butler, and Creighton ranked ahead of Marquette, Georgetown, Xavier and Villanova?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha--did they take this from the bleacher report?

[Eldon]

Sultan

Butler is a great feel good story to me. Have cheered for them past few years and loved their run. IMO it will be very tough for them down the road. The road for MU has become tougher as well due to the new conference. Time will tell.

Pakuni

I understand this has been discussed a ton her, but appreciate the reminder. All I know is outside of last few years I highly doubt if we had Butler play at home that kids would be camping out for tickets. You can evaluate their success anyway you want. I will add that I am long disappointed in their joining, just not doing cartwheels because of it. Addition of Daytin, SLU and Creighton bother me because major step backwards.

Look man, we're ALL disappointed that we're losing Pitt, Cuse, Ville, etc.  It is indeed a major step back.  However, you have to agree that we made the best of a bad situation.  Situation sucks.  We made lemonade.  Who else do we invite?  Keep it at 9 teams?  Fox wouldn't have it.  Wait for the ACC to implode and try to poach Wake?  Not likely, at least not in time by Fox's watch.

Football set us back, not Dayton, Creighton, or SLU.

[The Process]

I'm sorry, are you asking us to take seriously an analysis that has Dayton ranked as a better basketball program than Butler, and Creighton ranked ahead of Marquette, Georgetown, Xavier and Villanova?

I needed that laugh.  Thanks!

[LON]

http://blackburnreview.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/new-big-east-analysis-v4-0.pdf

Dayton more than holds their own in the new Big East

I work in spreadsheets pretty much every day.  Here is my assessment:

[mu_hilltopper]

Why kick out ECU, SMU, Navy for Dayton?  Makes no sense.

[LloydMooresLegs]

If Dayton is in, let's all feel better about it by treating Dayton as a substitute for a team that the Big East was losing anyway, but not 'Cuse or Louisville or Pitt or Notre Dame:  how about Rutgers?

[bilsu]

Everybody seems to have a bold prediction here so here's mine. Depaul will be a .500 team in conference within the next 3 years. Now how do I set that as my signature?

If that happens, we are truly a mid-major conference.

[mu_hilltopper]

I work in spreadsheets pretty much every day.  Here is my assessment:

Post of the month!!  

[Chips]

I'm sorry, are you asking us to take seriously an analysis that has Dayton ranked as a better basketball program than Butler, and Creighton ranked ahead of Marquette, Georgetown, Xavier and Villanova?

Did you even look at the sheet? 

[SaintPaulWarrior]

Did you even look at the sheet? 

Obviously he did.

[Chips]

Nowhere does it say that Dayton is better than Butler basketball-wise