Possible NCAA #2 Seed?

[MUFlutieEffect]

If Marquette knocks of Notre Dame, Louisville, and Georgetown this week, will it lock up a #2 seed?  Sounds like a decent number of MUScoopers are thinking the ceiling is at a #3, regardless of BE Tourney results.  Thoughts?

[Eldon]

Lville will be a tough out.  But much of that #2 seed depends on what happens in other conference tourneys as well, eg, do a number of teams above us nationally make earlier-than-expected exits.

[mu03eng]

Hell we run that table we'll have an outside shot at a 1 seed, that would be winning 9 of our last 10 and would take our RPI to a top 5 rating(top 10 now)

[MU82]

I would guess that if we beat ND, Ville and GT (or whomever in the title game), thereby winning both the Big East regular-season and postseason titles, the committee would be able to justify a No. 2 seed for us pretty easily.

[Dawson Rental]

If Marquette knocks of Notre Dame, Louisville, and Georgetown this week, will it lock up a #2 seed?  Sounds like a decent number of MUScoopers are thinking the ceiling is at a #3, regardless of BE Tourney results.  Thoughts?

I think so.  Three wins against ranked teams.  Two against top 8 teams.  It would give us two out of three against Georgetown, and a split with Louisville with the loss at Louisville and the win on a neutral court.  We would then be Big East regular season and tournament champions, and we're not coming out of nowhere, we're already ranked 15th.

Oh wait, I forgot that we lost at Wisconsin-Green Bay, so I guess not.

[Benny B]

Win out and a 2-seed is in the bag.

[LloydMooresLegs]

Yes

[ChicosBailBonds]

Depends on what the other schools do.  What we do in a vacuum isn't all that is at work.

[MUSF]

Depends on what the other schools do.  What we do in a vacuum isn't all that is at work.

No it doesn't. If we win out, we're a lock for a 2 seed.

Please explain a scenario in which we win the Conference tourney and the selection committee still puts 8 teams ahead of us?

[Hards Alumni]

If we win out we are easily a #2 seed.  Possibly higher.

[4everwarriors]

Win out and I think we should be national champions.

[bilsu]

Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.

[MUSF]

Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.

This is a separate discussion, though I mostly agree with you.

That said, anything can happen in March.

[HoopsMalone]

Gonzaga
3 B1G teams
KU
Miami
Duke
Florida

I could easily see those 8 teams making it ahead of Big East tournament champion Marquette.  Another variable will be if K-State or OK-State win the Big 12 tourney.  

I don't think SLU, Arizona, or New Mexico would get a 2 ahead of MU after a BE tourney win.

We probably want someone other than Florida to win the SEC tournament, though the game there this year probably wins Florida a tie in seeding with MU.  We probably want KU to win the Big 12 tournament.  We want Duke to embarrass Miami.  And, we want tOSU, MSU, or Michigan to lose early in the Big Ten tournament.

[ATWizJr]

there is no advantage to being a  2 seed over a 3 seed.  both avoid the 1 seed until the Elite 8 if they all win out.  And not much difference in playing a 15 or 14 in the first round or a 6 or 7 in the next round.

[LloydMooresLegs]

there is no advantage to being a  seed over a 3 seed.  both avoid the 1 seed until the Elite 8 if they all win out.  And not much difference in playing a 15 or 14 in the first round or a 6 or 7 in the next round.

Agree w this.  The big jump is 4 to 3.  Avoid the 5 and the 1. 

[We R Final Four]

Given that we barely beat Rutgers and St. John's, I do not know why anyone thinks we have a chance of winning out. I do think we have a better than 50-50 chance of beating Notre Dame, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.

+1000. A #2 seed? We have a long way to go folks. We beat St Johns without there top players because they pulled the press off in the extra period. St Johns ended the game 9-0 and now we are running the table on our way to a # 2 seed. Got it.

I think working on an inbounds play or a press break should be the concern not a top seed.

[wadesworld]

+1000. A #2 seed? We have a long way to go folks. We beat St Johns without there top players because they pulled the press off in the extra period. St Johns ended the game 9-0 and now we are running the table on our way to a # 2 seed. Got it.

I think working on an inbounds play or a press break should be the concern not a top seed.

Yeah, forget the NIT.  We better hope we get an invite to the Padre Serra this year.  Can't inbounds the ball, can't break the press.

[We R Final Four]

Yeah, you're right--I forgot our press break is our strength. Louisville is shaking at all the uncontested dunks we will get when we bust their press so easily. It happens every time.

[forgetful]

Gonzaga
3 B1G teams
KU
Miami
Duke
Florida

I could easily see those 8 teams making it ahead of Big East tournament champion Marquette.  Another variable will be if K-State or OK-State win the Big 12 tourney.  

I don't think SLU, Arizona, or New Mexico would get a 2 ahead of MU after a BE tourney win.

We probably want someone other than Florida to win the SEC tournament, though the game there this year probably wins Florida a tie in seeding with MU.  We probably want KU to win the Big 12 tournament.  We want Duke to embarrass Miami.  And, we want tOSU, MSU, or Michigan to lose early in the Big Ten tournament.

No way that we win out and they place 3 BiG teams ahead of us in the seed lines.  Only 1 of them can win the BiG tournament, another can make it to the BiG championship...the third would get a lower or same seed as us.

[ChicosBailBonds]

No it doesn't. If we win out, we're a lock for a 2 seed.

Please explain a scenario in which we win the Conference tourney and the selection committee still puts 8 teams ahead of us?

Sure

IU
Duke
Gonzaga

All #1 seeds regardless of what happens this week.

That leaves 5 spots open

G'Town or Louisville makes the Big East final...one of them is getting a 2 seed.
Miami makes the ACC final...2 seed
Kansas makes semis or finals of Big 12....2 seed, could still be a one seed
Florida wins the SEC tourney...could be a 2 seed
Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State...any two of these three make the final and win it, you have a potential of at least one if not two of them fighting for a 2 seed.
Etc. 

Not that hard at all, really.  Look at who most experts have as 1 and 2 seeds right now.  If they perform well this week, which easily could happen, why would they drop out?  What we do is not in a vaccum. 

[wadesworld]

Yeah, you're right--I forgot our press break is our strength. Louisville is shaking at all the uncontested dunks we will get when we bust their press so easily. It happens every time.

Who said it's our strength? Didn't see that part.

Did we play amazing the last 2 games? No. But we won our last 4 games. And we won the Big East. We've also beaten Georgetown before. You're making it seem like we have no chance to win another game this year. We could go 0-2. But we're not DePaul. There's a reason we went 14-4 for the 2nd straight year in the Big East.

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

[forgetful]

Sure

IU
Duke
Gonzaga

All #1 seeds regardless of what happens this week.

That leaves 5 spots open

G'Town or Louisville makes the Big East final...one of them is getting a 2 seed.
Miami makes the ACC final...2 seed
Kansas makes semis or finals of Big 12....2 seed, could still be a one seed
Florida wins the SEC tourney...could be a 2 seed
Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State...any two of these three make the final and win it, you have a potential of at least one if not two of them fighting for a 2 seed.
Etc. 

Not that hard at all, really.  Look at who most experts have as 1 and 2 seeds right now.  If they perform well this week, which easily could happen, why would they drop out?  What we do is not in a vaccum. 

If you look at resumes, MU wins the BiG East tournament, Miami does not.  Based on resume, justify them over us for a 2-seed.

[ChicosBailBonds]

If you look at resumes, MU wins the BiG East tournament, Miami does not.  Based on resume, justify them over us for a 2-seed.

If Miami made the final, they would likely get over MU, but it would be close. 

Miami has a better RPI #4 vs #11 right now.
Better SOS #5 vs # 12
UM is  13-4 vs top 100 while  MU is 10-6 vs top 100
Both would finish with 27-7 records if it played out that way