Siena, UDM, no Creighton, wtf?

[JTBMU7]

Where did any of this come from? Seems way off the mark... Surprised they are saying creighton is out too...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/catholic-7-schools-including-georgetown-charting-a-new-yet-familiar-path/2013/02/16/f1eaa870-7876-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

[tower912]

Relax.    Creighton, xavier, Butler, Dayton and SLU are all going to say yes. 

[lab_warrior]

Relax.    Creighton, xavier, Butler, Dayton and SLU are all going to say yes. 

This. 

[hoyasincebirth]

Don't listen to anything written by Feinstein. He's a BUM! He hates the Hoyas. He's the worst. He has no sources. He has no clue what he's talking about. Feinstein =BUM.

[lab_warrior]

Don't listen to anything written by Feinstein. He's a BUM! He hates the Hoyas. He's the worst. He has no sources. He has no clue what he's talking about. Feinstein =BUM.

Agreed.

Someone who hates the Hoyas = someone who I should hate. 

[Tugg Speedman]

Relax.    Creighton, xavier, Butler, Dayton and SLU are all going to say yes. 

+1

It is about money.  The C7 TV deal will offer more money.  If they say no to more money, the Board of Directors will be fired.

[keefe]

Don't listen to anything written by Feinstein. He's a BUM! He hates the Hoyas. He's the worst. He has no sources. He has no clue what he's talking about. Feinstein =BUM.

Feinstein writes books. He ain't no print journalist

[ChicosBailBonds]

Feinstein writes books. He ain't no print journalist

Plus, if he says Creighton is too far west, then Gonzaga isn't even in the discussion.   

[keefe]

Plus, if he says Creighton is too far west, then Gonzaga isn't even in the discussion.   

Like I said, Zags have been approached about interest and their saddle point was a home for Olympic sports. Not sure where it's at today. I would love for them to be a part of it and so would my bud but he's just a spectator, too.

Last I heard they were looking at offering a package of mountain state schools but haven't heard if that got traction. Not sure I want SMC, USF, BYU, LMU in the deal just to get the Zags. This will all get sorted after the Final Four and then the guessing can end and reality take over.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm sure they were approached.  It would be a gross error in judgment if they weren't.  I just don't see the fit for either side. To this day, I don't know who would take on their dreadful non men's basketball sports.  They just aren't good...why would another conference do that?  Also don't understand why they would put their men's hoops team through that travel gauntlet...I get more money, but they would be at a competitive disadvantage.  Just my two cents.

[warriorstrack]

Who do we believe ESPN Brett McMurphy, who said on 2/15

The new league, yet to be formed, is expected to have 12-to-14 members. The most likely candidates to join the Catholic schools, sources have told ESPN, are Butler, Xavier, Creighton, Dayton, Saint Louis, Richmond and VCU.

Or  John Feinstein?
Detroit, et al.

[Dawson Rental]

Plus, if he says Creighton is too far west, then Gonzaga isn't even in the discussion.   

Maybe Creighton will get back into the discussion as a travel partner for Gonzaga! 

[keefe]

I'm sure they were approached.  It would be a gross error in judgment if they weren't.  I just don't see the fit for either side. To this day, I don't know who would take on their dreadful non men's basketball sports.  They just aren't good...why would another conference do that?  Also don't understand why they would put their men's hoops team through that travel gauntlet...I get more money, but they would be at a competitive disadvantage.  Just my two cents.

I know they were approached because Hertz headed up the study group. The concerns were very much on the Olympic sports and I think the C7 and GU both knew that was a non-starter because of travel issues ($ and Days Out of Class.) My gut tells me GU will take a pass but I would love to see them jettison everything but Men's and Women's basketball. Of course, Hertz would kill his first born before ever cutting their baseball team.

As for Feinstein, he is not a beat journalist like Todd Rosiak who hung out in the locker room and the Al and really had his finger on the pulse of the team. Feinstein is a rock star. I saw the same thing happen with Mitch Albom at the Freep. He went from covering Michigan to writing books. The Freep wanted his byline so he was technically a staff writer though he had a lot of time away from Detroit. Feinstein is the same sort so I would not think he has the contacts within GU to get such insight.

[Dawson Rental]

Okay everybody get set to tee off.

I think that Feinstein is quite possibly spot on.

Splitting the league into midwestern and eastern divisions makes a lot of sense.

Not including public universities makes some sense.

Siena over Creighton?  Well, yeah.  Remember, in the article, Siena is being discussed as the fallback position if the league doesn't go with Richmond as the sixth member of the east division.  So, really what is being discussed is Siena vs. VCU.  If the presidents want to stay away from public schools, then VCU isn't really an option.  Since Villanova doesn't want LaSalle or St Joseph who else would there be out east?  St Bonaventure?  Canisius?  Loyola Maryland?

Creighton is 436 miles from St Louis, 470 miles from Chicago, 511 miles from Milwaukee.  Those are the three closest schools.  Not a problem for men's basketball, Olympic sports would all pretty much have to travel by plane, to avoid 7 hour plus bus trips.  Like I said, those are the close schools.

Marquette, DePaul, SLU, Butler, Xavier and Dayton form a nicely packed division with the farthest distance between two schools the 390 miles between Milwaukee and Dayton.

Detroit Mercy over Creighton?  Both are Jesuit universities.  Detroit keeps the midwest division geographically compact.  Does a decent Detroit program get better in the new league?  I don't think so.  Michigan and Michigan State are just too close to allow them to recruit effectively or to draw TV eyeballs, IMO.  So, I'd definitely go with Creighton here.  That doesn't mean that the C7 presidents agree with me, though.

Two divisions each closely packed for easier travel for teams in olympic sports.  One centered in the prime basketball recruiting areas of the midwest.  The other in a straight line along the northeastern seaboard.

All the schools private urban universities sharing similar characteristics, outlooks and challenges.  This sounds to me like something that could remain stable for a very long time.  That's an attractive quality for 7 schools fleeing the chaos of the Big East.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Okay everybody get set to tee off.

I think that Feinstein is quite possibly spot on.

Splitting the league into midwestern and eastern divisions makes a lot of sense.

Not including public universities makes some sense.

Siena over Creighton?  Well, yeah.  Remember, in the article, Siena is being discussed as the fallback position if the league doesn't go with Richmond as the sixth member of the east division.  So, really what is being discussed is Siena vs. VCU.  If the presidents want to stay away from public schools, then VCU isn't really an option.  Since Villanova doesn't want LaSalle or St Joseph who else would there be out east?  St Bonaventure?  Canisius?  Loyola Maryland?

Creighton is 436 miles from St Louis, 470 miles from Chicago, 511 miles from Milwaukee.  Those are the three closest schools.  Not a problem for men's basketball, Olympic sports would all pretty much have to travel by plane, to avoid 7 hours plus bus trips.  Like I said, those are the close schools.

Marquette, DePaul, SLU, Butler, Xavier and Dayton form a nicely packed division with the farthest distance between two schools the 390 miles between Milwaukee and Dayton.

Detroit Mercy over Creighton?  Both are Jesuit universities.  Detroit keeps the midwest division geographically compact.  Does a decent Detroit program get better in the new league?  I don't think so.  Michigan and Michigan State are just too close to allow them to recruit effectively or to draw TV eyeballs, IMO.  So, I'd definitely go with Creighton here.  That doesn't mean that the C7 presidents agree with me, though.

Two divisions each closely packed for easier travel for teams in olympic sports.  One centered in the prime basketball recruiting areas of the midwest.  The other in a straight line along the northeastern seaboard.

All the schools private urban universities sharing similar characteristics, outlooks and challenges.  This sounds to me like something that could remain stable for a very long time.  That's an attractive quality for 7 schools fleeing the chaos of the Big East.

He's flat out wrong.

[keefe]

Okay everybody get set to tee off.

I think that Feinstein is quite possibly spot on.

Splitting the league into midwestern and eastern divisions makes a lot of sense.

Not including public universities makes some sense.

Siena over Creighton?  Well, yeah.  Remember, in the article, Siena is being discussed as the fallback position if the league doesn't go with Richmond as the sixth member of the east division.  So, really what is being discussed is Siena vs. VCU.  If the presidents want to stay away from public schools, then VCU isn't really an option.  Since Villanova doesn't want LaSalle or St Joseph who else would there be out east?  St Bonaventure?  Canisius?  Loyola Maryland?

Creighton is 436 miles from St Louis, 470 miles from Chicago, 511 miles from Milwaukee.  Those are the three closest schools.  Not a problem for men's basketball, Olympic sports would all pretty much have to travel by plane, to avoid 7 hours plus bus trips.  Like I said, those are the close schools.

Marquette, DePaul, SLU, Butler, Xavier and Dayton form a nicely packed division with the farthest distance between two schools the 390 miles between Milwaukee and Dayton.

Detroit Mercy over Creighton?  Both are Jesuit universities.  Detroit keeps the midwest division geographically compact.  Does a decent Detroit program get better in the new league?  I don't think so.  Michigan and Michigan State are just too close to allow them to recruit effectively or to draw TV eyeballs, IMO.  So, I'd definitely go with Creighton here.  That doesn't mean that the C7 presidents agree with me, though.

Two divisions each closely packed for easier travel for teams in olympic sports.  One centered in the prime basketball recruiting areas of the midwest.  The other in a straight line along the northeastern seaboard.

All the schools private urban universities sharing similar characteristics, outlooks and challenges.  This sounds to me like something that could remain stable for a very long time.  That's an attractive quality for 7 schools fleeing the chaos of the Big East.

I follow your logic but I pray God that you are wrong

[MU82]

Siena and Detroit, huh? I guess that means Binghamton and UIC already declined invitations.

[Dawson Rental]

Siena and Detroit, huh? I guess that means Binghamton and UIC already declined invitations.

Siena would only be a place holder until the ACC collapsed and Duke dropped football.

UIC will not be invited because DePaul would never allow a better team from Chicago into the league.

[4everwarriors]

Well, how 'bout Slippery Rock and Wash U., then? Gotta have some bottom feeders, aina?

[keefe]

Siena and Detroit, huh? I guess that means Binghamton and UIC already declined invitations.

I can just see it - picking up the paper and reading that Siena has poached Buzz Williams from Marquette as its next head basketball coach...

[Jet915]

Sienna's AD pretty much shot it down.

"It's always flattering when the college's name is put in a group of schools like that," Siena athletic director John D'Argenio said today while attending the women's basketball game. "But it's just somebody that wrote an article and speculates."

D'Argenio said Siena hasn't been contacted by representatives from any of the Catholic 7 schools.

"Nobody's made any outreaches or overtures, and I don't know who they've made outreaches or overtures to," D'Argenio said. "But I know it's not us."

http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesports/siena-ad-responds-to-report-of-possible-catholic-7-invite/15440/

[tower912]

Cardinal Stritch, Loyola Chicago, and Alverno would work, by that logic. 

[Dawson Rental]

Cardinal Stritch, Loyola Chicago, and Alverno would work, by that logic. 

Under no circumstances are you to contact Georgetown President John J. DeGioia with that information.

[The Equalizer]

Siena over Creighton?  Well, yeah.  Remember, in the article, Siena is being discussed as the fallback position if the league doesn't go with Richmond as the sixth member of the east division.  So, really what is being discussed is Siena vs. VCU.  If the presidents want to stay away from public schools, then VCU isn't really an option.  Since Villanova doesn't want LaSalle or St Joseph who else would there be out east?  St Bonaventure?  Canisius?  Loyola Maryland?

Boston University or Northeastern.  Both private schools in Boston.  From both a recruting and local-alumni relations perspective for probably every team in the league, Boston would be a much better road trip than Albany.   

And it provides a small hope that the new league gets some media coverage in the #7 televsion market. 

Detroit Mercy over Creighton?  Both are Jesuit universities.  Detroit keeps the midwest division geographically compact.  Does a decent Detroit program get better in the new league?  I don't think so.  Michigan and Michigan State are just too close to allow them to recruit effectively or to draw TV eyeballs, IMO.  So, I'd definitely go with Creighton here.  That doesn't mean that the C7 presidents agree with me, though.

I think the value of recruiting in this example is not that we add Detroit Mercy so they can compete against Michigan and MSU for recruits--we add them to the league to give teams like Marquette & Georgetown & perhaps Xavier and Butler another talent-rich recruiting base.  Plus, as with BU above, every team in the league probably has more alums in Detroit than in Omaha.  Plus, thinking ahead to national sponsorships, it probably woulnd't hurt with automakers and their huge ad budgets if we had a league presence in Detroit. 

And if we get 100% attention in Omaha, its still only the #86 televison market.  Detroit is #11. 

[77ncaachamps]

Boston University or Northeastern.  Both private schools in Boston.  From both a recruting and local-alumni relations perspective for probably every team in the league, Boston would be a much better road trip than Albany.   

And it provides a small hope that the new league gets some media coverage in the #7 televsion market. 

I think the value of recruiting in this example is not that we add Detroit Mercy so they can compete against Michigan and MSU for recruits--we add them to the league to give teams like Marquette & Georgetown & perhaps Xavier and Butler another talent-rich recruiting base.  Plus, as with BU above, every team in the league probably has more alums in Detroit than in Omaha.  Plus, thinking ahead to national sponsorships, it probably woulnd't hurt with automakers and their huge ad budgets if we had a league presence in Detroit. 

And if we get 100% attention in Omaha, its still only the #86 televison market.  Detroit is #11. 

But is 100% in Omaha better than 1% in Detroit? I say yes.

It's one thing to go for television markets, and it's another to drop the prime college program in a basketball crazed city for one that is not just mediocre but struggles to get views in a city with major league teams and major state university intrusion.