+$500M/12 Year Catholic 7 TV Deal

[tower912]

Split the money evenly.   The two tier model will not breed stability or good will. 

[real chili 83]

I'm ok with two tiers, but put a sunset on it.  Say, after 5 years.

[GGGG]

I'm ok with two tiers, but put a sunset on it.  Say, after 5 years.

I can live with that.  The C7 are the ones taking the most risk here.

[Irishdawg]

I can live with that.  The C7 are the ones taking the most risk here.

I'm not sure I'd call it taking a risk when they pretty much already had this deal in place before they left, but I get what you're saying.  A sunset period would be more acceptable, but I still wouldn't be thrilled about it.

[boyonthedock]

any one who wants an even split is a communist and a traitor to our university and country.

[🏀]

That is the most interesting piece of info. For those who said Georgetown was lukewarm, who you crappin?

Hey buddy!

[🏀]

I like the two-tier model a lot.

However, I would make moving up early incentive based.  Base it off NCAA success,maybe a couple other factors and someone like Butler could be full share in a matter of years.

Except for Dayton, never give them a full share, if they make the cut.

[jsglow]

I'm not sure I'd call it taking a risk when they pretty much already had this deal in place before they left, but I get what you're saying.  A sunset period would be more acceptable, but I still wouldn't be thrilled about it.

Welcome to the board Dawg.  While I can see your point, one does need to remember that the C7 have been second class citizens in every respect in the BEast (a league THEY created) for 20 years.  My sense is that they'll expect to run the show as they see fit and that 'Take it or leave it' invitations will be issued to a select few, Butler included.  Any invitee always has the right to say 'No Thanks'.  But if one accepts the invitation, one agrees to happily live by the rules of the invitation.  Dawg, I don't mean to be flippant but there's always the Horizon league.  Never expect 'Founder' treatment.  But that'll all melt away from the eyes of the general public and fanbase once you're playing.  

Make no mistake everyone.  The C7 will do EXACTLY what they believe to be in THEIR interest and will work to protect that into perpetuity.  Schools like Providence and St. John's aren't getting crapped on ever again.  If that means equal share, sunset, or life of the deal superiority, it'll be what the C7 decides in consultation with their advisors and TV partner.  No invitee gets a vote.

[Dr. Blackheart]

It is pretty simple:  The C7 can command the cash.  The A10 just reupped and got $500k per school.  The market has spoken, and if the +3 or the +5 teams don't like $2million more in their pockets, enjoy the A10.

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I also have to imagine the C7 are fronting costs to start this league, hire advisors, have AD employee overhead working on this process, potentially pay exit fees, the list can go on.

I'd imagine the invitees would rather have a lower share than get a yearly invoice for the C7's efforts.

Great news to wake up to.

[jsglow]

It is pretty simple:  The C7 can command the cash.  The A10 just reupped and got $500k per school.  The market has spoken, and if the +3 or the +5 teams don't like $2million more in their pockets, enjoy the A10.

Yep.  Put on your 'Big Boy' pants.

[jsglow]

I also have to imagine the C7 are fronting costs to start this league, hire advisors, have AD employee overhead working on this process, potentially pay exit fees, the list can go on.

I'd imagine the invitees would rather have a lower share than get a yearly invoice for the C7's efforts.

Great news to wake up to.

I'd think they'd rather get the invoice but it ain't an option. 

[brewcity77]

It is pretty simple:  The C7 can command the cash.  The A10 just reupped and got $500k per school.  The market has spoken, and if the +3 or the +5 teams don't like $2million more in their pockets, enjoy the A10.

But it's not that simple. The A-10 also allows their schools to keep the lion's share of their earned NCAA credits. So while the TV money would be a boost, even revenue sharing of NCAA credits would be a detriment to Xavier. Butler would only gain as they already left their credits with the Horizon, so this move should be a no-brainer for them, even if we go to 14 and only double their current TV rights payout.

I really think this is a way to divide the conference, especially 10 years from now if Providence, DePaul, Xavier, and Butler have similar NCAA fortunes for the next decade that they have for the past decade. If I were Xavier, I'd only be amenable to that if I got to keep a larger portion of my own earned NCAA credits. Sharing everything I earn equally and kicking up a couple million more to the likes of Providence? I'm not sure that will make them happy.

Putting a sunset on that would likely help, or keeping the league at 10 teams and going forward on even terms after the first television deal expires. But I just feel it breeds discontent, especially when we would all (C7 included) be seeing a significant boost to revenue if we simply went to a 10-team league and divided equally.

[Dr. Blackheart]

But it's not that simple. The A-10 also allows their schools to keep the lion's share of their earned NCAA credits. So while the TV money would be a boost, even revenue sharing of NCAA credits would be a detriment to Xavier. Butler would only gain as they already left their credits with the Horizon, so this move should be a no-brainer for them, even if we go to 14 and only double their current TV rights payout.

But that is a separate discussion. Media dollars to media dollars is not even close because the Dayton market cannot deliver like NY or Chicago or DC or Philly....cannot deliver MSG.  And when the A10 gets more than 2-3 teams in the NCAA on a normal basis, let me know.  That was the A10's gift to keep the Xavier's happy for the St. Bonnie's.

[brewcity77]

But the C7 is not the old Big East. Without Xavier and Butler, how many bids would we get annually? Probably not any more than the 2-3 the A-10 would get.

I'm not saying a disparity wouldn't still be a significant boost for them. And if we can keep a good chunk of the credits earned by departing Big East teams like Syracuse and Louisville, it will help everyone, but I think $5M per might be a big much.

If we go to 10, wouldn't the C7 getting $4.5M each be enough, allowing the other three $3.3M each? If we go to 12, drop us down to $4M each, and allow the other 5 to get $2.7M. It'd still be a bigger chunk for us regardless, and bigger than we expected had we stayed, but without giving them a pittance compared to what we get.

[avid1010]

a little confused with the $$$ amount without knowing who's in conference.  how much effect does adding 3-5 of the teams mentioned make?  some on here are simply dividing the ~$500M out between more schools, yet a few weeks ago we read how the tv markets weren't going to be the big $$$ and we'd need schools with solid ticket sales.  

that's where the tiered system makes sense to me.  if the C7 is worth ~$500M, and the additional schools devalue the per institution value, it wouldn't make sense to add them as full earning memebers.  

i'd just question if the $500M number is coming from negotiations in which it is assumed the top A10 school will be joining, or if adding them will add value.  

[GGGG]

I have a feeling that some of the schools are already "known" but are not yet official.

[jsglow]

No doubt these sharing/invitation issues will be discussed at length by the C7.

Let me go a slightly different direction.  Let's assume TV gets negotiated in the next 150 days and that Foxsports-1 is the winner and launches in August as I've read here.  In that case, I'd expect them to insist on having immediate marquee product, namely BEast 2.0, beginning ASAP.  We're talking huge dollars here guys.  I just have to believe that somebody's checkbook comes out to satisfy the Old BEast in order to allow play to begin in 2013, keep the name and copyright/trademark, AND play at MSG in March 2014.

[GGGG]

I also think that, with that amount of money, they are going to want product and therefore as many members as possible.  10 teams playing a full round robin is 90 conference games.  12 teams playing 18 games is 108. 

[Mr. Nielsen]

I didn't realize that the network was already in 81 million homes. 

This new network will have MLB playoff games on that network starting in 2014. Pac-12 & Big 12 college football.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Screw the bread boys, I just wanna know if we'll see more of Erin?

I would think so since she now works for Fox.

[brewcity77]

This new network will have MLB playoff games on that network starting in 2014. Pac-12 & Big 12 college football.

That's some pretty good company. Will they be broadcasting any NASCAR racing? Just wondering how many contracts they have left with the old Speed Channel. Not sure it'd help us that much, but it wouldn't be bad to carry over what audience they do have now.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Workplaces that have a two-tier wage scale do produce resentment.  The invited schools that "accept" will be happy for a few years, but after that is when it builds. A sunset is a good idea.

[GGGG]

This new network will have MLB playoff games on that network starting in 2014. Pac-12 & Big 12 college football.

See, this is why I *much* prefer Fox to NBC Sports.  Fox IMO has a better understanding of how to promote a product and has a pulse on how to produce quality television.  NBC Sports seems stuck in the past...and it's ratings are terrible.

Oh and we might get Gus Johnson doing our games.

[jsglow]

That's some pretty good company. Will they be broadcasting any NASCAR racing? Just wondering how many contracts they have left with the old Speed Channel. Not sure it'd help us that much, but it wouldn't be bad to carry over what audience they do have now.

Does anybody have a link to a decent article discussing the conversion of Speed to FoxSports?  I tried to google but really didn't come up with one.