Catholic 7 Meeting?

[Aughnanure]

I challenge you to find a better tournament locale than Indy.

Seriously Indy is the model now? Cause I really want to play in a 60,000 seat indoor (aka lame) football stadium to play a basketball game?

Jesus F*ing Christ. That town has more major sporting events that it has ever deserved.

Chicago, DC, or NY. Those are the options.

[GGGG]

Seriously Indy is the model now? Cause I really want to play in a 60,000 seat indoor (aka lame) football stadium to play a basketball game?

Jesus F*ing Christ. That town has more major sporting events that it has ever deserved.

Chicago, DC, or NY. Those are the options.

In Indy's defense, there are reasons they host events there.  There are a lot of hotel rooms close to the athletic facilities, they do these events well, Indy is easy to get to, and it is relatively cheap.  But it's just not all that exciting.

[warriorchick]

In Indy's defense, there are reasons they host events there.  There are a lot of hotel rooms close to the athletic facilities, they do these events well, Indy is easy to get to, and it is relatively cheap.  But it's just not all that exciting.

Right city, wrong facility.

I know it doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint, but I think Hinkle Fieldhouse at Butler is the coolest place to play basketball ever.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I haven't spent any time in Indy, but have have heard from people who plan events and sporting events that it is a great.

Not sexy like NYC, but logistically, it's supposed to be very good for the planners and for the attendees.

Take that for what it's worth.

With this said, the "new conference" might need to make a sexier pick.

[mugrad99]

Seriously Indy is the model now? Cause I really want to play in a 60,000 seat indoor (aka lame) football stadium to play a basketball game?

Jesus F*ing Christ. That town has more major sporting events that it has ever deserved.

Chicago, DC, or NY. Those are the options.

Yes. Indy is the model for hosting major sporting events (Super Bowl, Final Fours, Indy 500,used to be voted the favorite tennis tournament by players...). That being said, it does not make sense to hold the Big East Tourney there. The Big East tourney needs to be played in NY.

[🏀]

With this said, the "new conference" might need to make a sexier pick.

This is it. Indy is not sexy, practical, but not sexy at all.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Glad to see MU is on board with the bball-only conference concept. As long as we take Georgetown with us, I'm all for it. MU and GTown would need to carry the league for a few years until some of the other schools get back on their feet.

[mu03eng]

I don't think the tourney location really matters.  What does matter is that the winner of the tourney gets an automatic bid to the NCAA Tourney.  Does anyone know how long it takes a new conference to earn an automatic berth to the tourney?

I question this whole automatic bid and MSG go away if we become basketball only.  The catholic 7 or whatever have the power to kick out the football schools for the next 6 months.  That means these 7 can retain the auto bid, MSG, AND the name and simply invite new schools in to build the league out to 10 or 12 teams.

Based on the rumbles, I'm willing to bet, the 7 are currently talking to schools like Creighton, Butler, Xavier, etc and assessing their interest and beginning negotiations to bring them in.  If they are doing this right, they will have the new schools in place behind the scenes, will call a BEast meeting, call the vote to jettison the football schools and rescind the existing offers then the next day announce they are extending offers to these list of 5 schools to join the BEast in all sports(with football not a sport at any of them save Villanova).  Those 5 schools with "think" about it for several days for appearance sake and then sign on the dotted line and we're done.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I question this whole automatic bid and MSG go away if we become basketball only.  The catholic 7 or whatever have the power to kick out the football schools for the next 6 months.  That means these 7 can retain the auto bid, MSG, AND the name and simply invite new schools in to build the league out to 10 or 12 teams.

Based on the rumbles, I'm willing to bet, the 7 are currently talking to schools like Creighton, Butler, Xavier, etc and assessing their interest and beginning negotiations to bring them in.  If they are doing this right, they will have the new schools in place behind the scenes, will call a BEast meeting, call the vote to jettison the football schools and rescind the existing offers then the next day announce they are extending offers to these list of 5 schools to join the BEast in all sports(with football not a sport at any of them save Villanova).  Those 5 schools with "think" about it for several days for appearance sake and then sign on the dotted line and we're done.

Or is another twist going on?  The C-7 wants to add good basketball schools to the Big East to improve the basketball side by using the threat of splitting off. 

[Benny B]

I question this whole automatic bid and MSG go away if we become basketball only.  The catholic 7 or whatever have the power to kick out the football schools for the next 6 months.  That means these 7 can retain the auto bid, MSG, AND the name and simply invite new schools in to build the league out to 10 or 12 teams.

Based on the rumbles, I'm willing to bet, the 7 are currently talking to schools like Creighton, Butler, Xavier, etc and assessing their interest and beginning negotiations to bring them in.  If they are doing this right, they will have the new schools in place behind the scenes, will call a BEast meeting, call the vote to jettison the football schools and rescind the existing offers then the next day announce they are extending offers to these list of 5 schools to join the BEast in all sports(with football not a sport at any of them save Villanova).  Those 5 schools with "think" about it for several days for appearance sake and then sign on the dotted line and we're done.

Not exactly... You need 75% of the vote to kick out a school, and even then, it must be for cause.  With ten voting members currently, you need 7.5 votes to dismiss a school.

[slack00]

The writing has been on the wall for this to happen since the ACC took Syracuse and Pittsburgh and West Virginia went to the Big 12.  However, it was important to let the other chips fall first.  Now that Notre Dame, Louisville, and Rutgers are leaving, this is starting to happen.

I hope this does come to fruition because I was worried about Georgetown, Villanova, and St Johns going to the ACC as non-football to match with Notre Dame's situation.  Those three, along with Marquette, are bigger "brands" than DePaul, Providence, and Seton Hall right now.

Although all of the schools listed are Catholic, I hope that it's not officially branded as such. No need to keep yourself away from public or non-Catholic schools should some schools move around in the future.

Now that the rumors have started, it's only a matter of time!

[mu03eng]

Not exactly... You need 75% of the vote to kick out a school, and even then, it must be for cause.  With ten voting members currently, you need 7.5 votes to dismiss a school.

My understanding was it is a straight two thirds vote to accomplish a split.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Although all of the schools listed are Catholic, I hope that it's not officially branded as such. No need to keep yourself away from public or non-Catholic schools should some schools move around in the future.

I like the Catholic branding... it provides an immediate fan base and sticks it to ND for leaving. There aren't that many non-catholic basketball-only schools worth having.

[M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS]

What a conference name of The B1G EAST.  I kid, I kid  

[Benny B]

My understanding was it is a straight two thirds vote to accomplish a split.

I question this whole automatic bid and MSG go away if we become basketball only.  The catholic 7 or whatever have the power to kick out the football schools for the next 6 months.  That means these 7 can retain the auto bid, MSG, AND the name and simply invite new schools in to build the league out to 10 or 12 teams.

Based on the rumbles, I'm willing to bet, the 7 are currently talking to schools like Creighton, Butler, Xavier, etc and assessing their interest and beginning negotiations to bring them in.  If they are doing this right, they will have the new schools in place behind the scenes, will call a BEast meeting, call the vote to jettison the football schools and rescind the existing offers then the next day announce they are extending offers to these list of 5 schools to join the BEast in all sports(with football not a sport at any of them save Villanova).  Those 5 schools with "think" about it for several days for appearance sake and then sign on the dotted line and we're done.

3/4 to dismiss, 2/3 to dissolve, and simple majority to divvy up the assets upon dissolution.  And the basketball schools have no say on football matters (except that they can "force a tie" to effectively veto a football-only invitation), so they can't simply vote to discontinue football.

Additionally, a conference must have seven active Division I members that sponsor men's and women's basketball and sponsor a minimum of six men's sports and six women's sports to retain an automatic bid.

[M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS]

My understanding was it is a straight two thirds vote to accomplish a split.

In either case if one more football school leaves in the next 6 months they can kick teams out.

[bkooncy]

If we lost our automatic bid to the tournament would it be possible to file a law suit against the NCAA claiming that they did nothing to stop the pillaging of conferences, making it unable for non-football schools to prosper in the current format?  If the new conference was able to do this do you think the NCAA would grant us an auto bid?

[mu03eng]

3/4 to dismiss, 2/3 to dissolve, and simple majority to divvy up the assets upon dissolution.  And the basketball schools have no say on football matters (except that they can "force a tie" to effectively veto a football-only invitation), so they can't simply vote to discontinue football.

Additionally, a conference must have seven active Division I members that sponsor men's and women's basketball and sponsor a minimum of six men's sports and six women's sports to retain an automatic bid.

Ok, lets change my language then.  For the next 6 months they have the ability to dissolve the conference and then divvy up the assets amongst the group.  Automatic bid would stay with the group because they will meet the requirements you've laid out eliminating concern number one.  First asset priority is the MSG contract, second is the Big East name.  There is also a ton of dough from the exit fees of previous schools to split.  Divide that up and then reincorporate as a new conference with either the BEast name or a new one and then invite schools and you are off.

[mu03eng]

If we lost our automatic bid to the tournament would it be possible to file a law suit against the NCAA claiming that they did nothing to stop the pillaging of conferences, making it unable for non-football schools to prosper in the current format?  If the new conference was able to do this do you think the NCAA would grant us an auto bid?

We won't lose our auto bid as long as we meet the criteria Benny laid out, which under every current scenario is not an issue.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Let's be sure we don't recognize that this more aggressive move is the result of our AD.

[mu03eng]

Let's be sure we don't recognize that this more aggressive move is the result of our AD.

More aggressive move or only logical play?  To paraphrase Chris Rock, "you don't get credit for something you're 'spose to do, you low expectation having....."   

[Pakuni]

I challenge you to find a better tournament locale than Indy.

Isn't Indy permanent (or least into the foreseeable future) host of the Big ? tournament?
If so, I can think of about a dozen places I'd rather host the tournament rather than play second fiddle in Indy.
Chicago, for starters.

[Pakuni]

More aggressive move or only logical play?  To paraphrase Chris Rock, "you don't get credit for something you're 'spose to do, you low expectation having....."   

Larry could rescue six children from a burning building and people here would complain he didn't save their aquarium. Poor fishies.

[mu03eng]

Larry could rescue six children from a burning building and people here would complain he didn't save their aquarium. Poor fishies.

I'm not ripping Larry, he is doing his job here, great, glad he's earning his salary.  Why should I do backflips over something we've been talking about doing for 6 months?

[bkooncy]

I'm not ripping Larry, he is doing his job here, great, glad he's earning his salary.  Why should I do backflips over something we've been talking about doing for 6 months?

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