MUBB, athletics and academics, etc.

[madtownwarrior]

wow - we should be real proud of our highly competitive basketball team that can not hold a 2.0....

It's my understanding that this particular player has NO chance to meet the new standards. Others might get there.

[Da 'Lanche]

I believe that is what the "current" academic standards are. the "new" ones have not yet been announced. Again, I also don't have a problem with higher academic standards persay, but you can NOT change the rules in the middle of the game and not give kids a chance to get up to those standards.

But also remember as someone mentioned earlier, this now will limit the types of kids Buzz can recruit, and with the NCAA changing the Juco requirements.....Is it that far fetched to think MU could become SLU?? A bunch of great students playing BB, just not at a particularly high level.

see slippery slope....I mean...really?    Buzz will only be able to recruit kids who starred in "hoosiers" under the new academic standards?     I respect your outlook and opinions and have no doubt you have good insights into the program from people closer than most....but to go right to high academic standards equalling mid-major quality basketball is just plain sensationalism.    Seems like Duke has done pretty well, no?   Our hated N.D. fields a pretty competitive team now and then, no?    Even according to your insights, this may affect 1, 2 or 3 current players (or more?).....doesn't affect all which means many current players can meet the new (yet to be determined) criteria, no?

sorry, I may sound like an a-hole....just typing my thoughts out loud...usually Lagavullin chills me out  

[GGGG]

Does this relate to the rash of suspensions in the first half of the year as well?

My understanding is no.

[Blackhat]

see slippery slope....I mean...really?    Buzz will only be able to recruit kids who starred in "hoosiers" under the new academic standards?     I respect your outlook and opinions and have no doubt you have good insights into the program from people closer than most....but to go right to high academic standards equalling mid-major quality basketball is just plain sensationalism.    Seems like Duke has done pretty well, no?   Our hated N.D. fields a pretty competitive team now and then, no?    Even according to your insights, this may affect 1, 2 or 3 current players (or more?).....doesn't affect all which means many current players can meet the new (yet to be determined) criteria, no?

sorry, I may sound like an a-hole....just typing my thoughts out loud...usually Lagavullin chills me out  

ND and Duke have a lot more to offer academically than MU.  We won't get the upper crust of the traditionals academic all american pool.

[JTBMU7]

Why don't you stop posting.  You've added nothing.   Sultan basically told us the low down, if you can't connect the dots then tough.   Sultan has his threshold.

You're right, I will not claim to know what is going on inside the program, nor will I post as if I do. Btw, We all could connect the dots on most of this without the three of you hinting at dramatic problems that amount to... Not much... Not saying there won't be another transfer soon, but if you know, say it. Or stop. Is that unfair?

[Blackhat]

Crean was slick and clean cut and charmed the BOT.   Buzz doesn't have that same marketing ability that Crean has.  So the BOT isn't in love with him and his players.  

[GGGG]

wow - we should be real proud of our highly competitive basketball team that can not hold a 2.0....

I am.

And I can say that because if you read the policy, it requires them to step up their academic progress over the course of time to meet the university's graduation requirements.

[muguru]

Here's what i don't know though....If the player is not meeting academic standards, are they just revoking his scholarship, or kicking him off the team and essentially out of school altogether?? For instance, what if they paid their own way as a "walk on" would they still allow that?? Or would that be too "creative" and "circumventing" the new admin's rules??

[Dr. Blackheart]

I liked when Crean sat Trend down until he turned it around.  I'd be more concerned with dumping a kid without a fair warning chance to redeem themselves vs. Buzzcutting.  Hardly fair. That said, four strikes and you are out.

[GGGG]

You're right, I will not claim to know what is going on inside the program, nor will I post as if I do. Btw, We all could connect the dots on most of this without the three of you hinting at dramatic problems that amount to... Not much... Not saying there won't be another transfer soon, but if you know, say it. Or stop. Is that unfair?

Because nothing is set in stone yet because THE SEMESTER HASN'T ENDED!!!!  That is why muguru is saying to wait a couple weeks.

[Da 'Lanche]

This is why I though the "Hiroshima" talk was a bit of hyperbole.  Because I must admit that I am conflicted...I *want* the players to be successful in the classroom.  I want our graduation rates that we are all proud of to actually mean something.

However I do want to win too.

And I do think that muguru is right that implementing a new policy late in the game is unfair.  Give the kid some steps to get there.  Allow him to progress up to that new level over the course of time.  Cura personalis.

Feel the same conflict Sultan...you stated it very well.   I love the rise of the program and the potential for increased prominence on the court.....yet....feel sqeemish watching schools like Kentucky becoming one-and-done factories for for the NBA with no real connection to the actual mission of the university.   Anyway...appreciate your outlook on it as my feelings are very very similar.

[JTBMU7]

Because nothing is set in stone yet because THE SEMESTER HASN'T ENDED!!!!  That is why muguru is saying to wait a couple weeks.

Good idea. Wait till later and then I'll tell you if what I'm hinting at is accurate or not.

[madtownwarrior]

I read the policy - looks very much the same as UW-Madison's

wow, so they have to progress from a 1.8 to a 2.0 by the time they graduate - holy crap, that's unfair...


Bucky's policy:

2011–12 • During Year 1
1.80 GPA after second semester
Pass 6 degree credits each semester
Pass 18 credits during the academic year
Complete 24 credits
2012–13 • Begin Year 2
1.80 cumulative GPA to compete
24 earned credits in residence
Pass 6 degree credits each semester
Pass 18 degree credits during the academic year
2013–14 • Begin Year 3
1.90 cumulative GPA to compete
Declared a major or have pre-major approval on file
40% of the degree requirements complete at the start of the fall term
Pass 6 degree credits each semester
Pass 18 degree credits during the academic year
2014–15 • Begin Year 4
2.0 cumulative GPA to compete
60% of degree requirements completed
5-year graduation plan verified and signed by major advisor
Pass 6 degree credits each semester
Pass 18 degree credits during the academic year
Can be enrolled in fewer than 12 credits if the campus advisor verifies in writing that
the student will graduate at the end of the term
2015–16 • Begin Year 5
2.0 cumulative GPA
80% of degree requirements completed
5-year graduation plan verified and signed by major advisor
Pass 6 degree credits each semester
Pass 18 degree credits during the academic year
Can be enrolled in fewer than 12 credits if the campus

I am.

And I can say that because if you read the policy, it requires them to step up their academic progress over the course of time to meet the university's graduation requirements.

[Dawson Rental]

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html

It looks like Chris Otule has beaten the system, there are no six year student athlete rules.

[Blackhat]

Anyone know if or when MU will announce the new academic standards?

[Dawson Rental]

I have a feeling I'm gonna despise this admin.   Losing will eventually seep in then after about 15 years of sucking they may again be ready to play big boy b-ball.

We just need to go through our SMU period.

[NersEllenson]

wow - we should be real proud of our highly competitive basketball team that can not hold a 2.0....

If only MU could offer some of the joke classes offered at Madison, and widely enrolled in by the football team and basketball team.  John Clay and Ron Dayne sure hit it out of the park in their Agricultural Journalism stuides/majors..

And..the academic standards listed are those of the NCAA as minimums - and likely the same ones used at every high major D-1 school.  By all indications the whole team is currently meeting those standards...but now they are being raised...

[nyg]

Here's what i don't know though....If the player is not meeting academic standards, are they just revoking his scholarship, or kicking him off the team and essentially out of school altogether?? For instance, what if they paid their own way as a "walk on" would they still allow that?? Or would that be too "creative" and "circumventing" the new admin's rules??

Usually, again usually, if an athlete is under the grade/academic standards, they are suspended from athletic involvement and then there is a timeframe to get the grades in order.  If the athlete continues in not achieving the standards, the scholarship is most likely revoked.  Most athletes probably cannot afford the tuition and they leave. If a walk-on, the athlete would have to meet the University's overall academic standards to remain.  

If any athlete fails in academics, not on the "bubble", they are gone as any other regular student.  

[Dawson Rental]

Then stop posting about it. There's zero value in your input unless you provide some actual input. And if there is opportunity that this player may ba able to improve his situation, why play all this out?

I appreciate your critiquing of Sultan's input, and your not allowing him to get away with posting at a level of input that you find unacceptable.  By the way, exactly what "input" have you ever provided?

[Dawson Rental]

If only MU could offer some of the joke classes offered at Madison, and widely enrolled in by the football team and basketball team.  John Clay and Ron Dayne sure hit it out of the park in their Agricultural Journalism stuides/majors..

And..the academic standards listed are those of the NCAA as minimums - and likely the same ones used at every high major D-1 school.  By all indications the whole team is currently meeting those standards...but now they are being raised...

Don't tell murobrob or madtown that, they've already decided that these are the new standards, and we should be happy to lose the numskulls who can't make them.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Just sayin...MU's 91% graduation rate compares to

• SLU's graduation rate = 67%
• Bucky's = 50%
• Gtown's = 70%
  

Can MU be more like SLU?  Maybe MU would make it to the F4 then?  Maybe this is why Buzz was po'ed...felt MBB was singled out while they have been been successful handling it within prior. Who had his back?  Who had the pitch forks?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/03/in-different-college-basketball-bracket-study-finds-gap-in-graduation-rate.html

[madtownwarrior]

at the Basketball banquet, all the players profusely thanking Adrienne for the academic support, maybe Adrienne needs to step up her game....

[MU82]

Friday afternoon seems to be the time to let bad news slip out for the Marquette Sports Information folk.

I don't see this as bad news for MU hoops, and probably isn't bad for Jamail in long run, either.

[Da 'Lanche]

Don't tell murobrob or madtown that, they've already decided that these are the new standards, and we should be happy to lose the numskulls who can't make them.

huh?    shoot the dog dude....shoot the dog.

[madtownwarrior]

can't carry a 2.0 in the classroom - > probably explains the low basketball IQ many on this board complain about...

Don't tell murobrob or madtown that, they've already decided that these are the new standards, and we should be happy to lose the numskulls who can't make them.