MUBB, athletics and academics, etc.

[JTBMU7]

This is it. The new admin has implemented new academic policies for ALL the athletic programs. Which is fine, except IMO you HAVE to let kids then meet those new standards and at least "grandfather them in". Not happening with this admin.

Why did it take so long to just say that?

[madtownwarrior]

ok - so after all the cloak and dagger it is academics...

and yes, changing the standard, there should be a grace period...

surprised Buzz would allow it or stay here if he disagrees and they force it...

spill the beans... how many?  

This is it. The new admin has implemented new academic policies for ALL the athletic programs. Which is fine, except IMO you HAVE to let kids then meet those new standards and at least "grandfather them in". Not happening with this admin.

[Dawson Rental]

Why did it take so long to just say that?

+1  Did we really need to go through three weeks of Hiroshima II speculation to get here?

[Blackhat]

My understanding is that they upped the academic qualifications to continue to play...it is an athletic department wide policy.  It will be a near miracle for it not to affect one player...and may affect more.

One more step to becoming Portland and irrelevant in basketball.  

We may be getting more traditionals after all.

[MerrittsMustache]

This is it. The new admin has implemented new academic policies for ALL the athletic programs. Which is fine, except IMO you HAVE to let kids then meet those new standards and at least "grandfather them in". Not happening with this admin.

Was thinking the same thing. I have no problem with higher academic standards but if an athlete is meeting the standards but the standards get raised without him/her having a realistic opportunity to "catch-up," it's basically an attempt to weed some people out.

[Blackhat]

It all started with Cottingham getting scapegoated.   Now we got Domers and Hoyas trying to make us irrelevant in b-ball like ND in football through academics.  I suggest Pilarz look at his Hoya's standards.

[muguru]

ok - so after all the cloak and dagger it is academics...

and yes, changing the standard, there should be a grace period...

surprised Buzz would allow it or stay here if he disagrees and they force it...

spill the beans... how many?  

I said when we went through the whole Buzz to SMU thing that LW wanted to do things "the Notre Dame way". Well, here it is. Why do you think Buzz almost took the SMU job?? Not sure how many, one for sure, could be more I believe.

[GGGG]

This is it. The new admin has implemented new academic policies for ALL the athletic programs. Which is fine, except IMO you HAVE to let kids then meet those new standards and at least "grandfather them in". Not happening with this admin.

I don't know when the policy was changed and how it was implemented.  For instance, if it changed prior to second semester, and is based on only second semester grades, I don't think it reaches "Hiroshima-like" levels of unfairness.

[madtownwarrior]

"trying to make us irrelevant in b-ball"

and we know this how?

What exactly are the standards for athletes at MU?  were they different for basketball - officially or un-offically?

[MerrittsMustache]

I said when we went through the whole Buzz to SMU thing that LW wanted to do things "the Notre Dame way". Well, here it is. Why do you think Buzz almost took the SMU job?? Not sure how many, one for sure, could be more I believe.

Who's the one?

[GGGG]

It all started with Cottingham getting scapegoated.   Now we got Domers and Hoyas trying to make us irrelevant in b-ball like ND in football through academics.  I suggest Pilarz look at his Hoya's standards.

Think higher...Pilarz reports to a group of people.  And Cottingham had to leave.

[Blackhat]

by limiting the pool of players we can have at MU.   Above and beyond NCAA standards.

[4everwarriors]

I blame Doc

[madtownwarrior]

Why do you think Buzz almost took the SMU job??


If Buzz truely disagreed with what Larry wants to do (the Notre Dame way as you say), do you think he would still be here?  

Think there be may more to the story or not as extreme as you say...

[Blackhat]

Think higher...Pilarz reports to a group of people.  And Cottingham had to leave.

I understand the BOT but I didn't realize at the time exactly why Cottingham was going now I know it was part of a larger process.   Buzz will be next to leave, imo.

[GGGG]

Who's the one?

Someone significant.

[4everwarriors]

Get up, get up, get out of here, gone

[Blackhat]

Why do you think Buzz almost took the SMU job??


If Buzz truely disagreed with what Larry wants to do (the Notre Dame way as you say), do you think he would still be here?  

Think there be may more to the story or not as extreme as you say...

When a good job opens up, he gone.   No one in their prime wants to go to friggin SMU.

[nyg]

This is it. The new admin has implemented new academic policies for ALL the athletic programs. Which is fine, except IMO you HAVE to let kids then meet those new standards and at least "grandfather them in". Not happening with this admin.

So, there is no wording such as "Commencing on _____" ???????  The Administration is just implementing a new academic standard with no retroactive/grandfather clause aspects?

Meaning if a player had a sub-standard GPA last semester, then he is no longer qualified as a basketball player.  Is he qualified to continue to be an active MU student?  

Crazy.........

If a student is failing, ok and understandable.  Not meeting a GPA as set forth by the athletic department, mid-stride is not the way to accomplish goals.  The student athletes need to know what is EXPECTED of them first, then proceed.  

If true, then they better do a new video/media report on their "Elite" tutoring program.  

[GGGG]

I understand the BOT but I didn't realize at the time exactly why Cottingham was going now I know it was part of a larger process.   Buzz will be next to leave, imo.

Cottingham left because of the incidents that occurred last year and because of the policies that he helped to be develop ran afoul of Department of Education rules.  The BOT used the Presidential change, and the AD change, to encourage some changes.  

[muguru]

"trying to make us irrelevant in b-ball"

and we know this how?

What exactly are the standards for athletes at MU?  were they different for basketball - officially or un-offically?

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html

[Blackhat]

I have a feeling I'm gonna despise this admin.   Losing will eventually seep in then after about 15 years of sucking they may again be ready to play big boy b-ball.

[4everwarriors]

Let's play the process of elimination game. Is it a male? Is he a bb player? Is he a brother or traditional? Does he start? Is he a rising junior? Is he from Madison?

[Blackhat]

Cottingham left because of the incidents that occurred last year and because of the policies that he helped to be develop ran afoul of Department of Education rules.  The BOT used the Presidential change, and the AD change, to encourage some changes.  

I know the reasons that they gave and I understand the "encouragement" angle which is what I meant by larger process.  But if Wild was still active this wouldn't have happened to Cottingham.   Swarbrick had the support of the ND admin even after similar or worse allegations.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Bummed out. I loved Jamail even though he never really produced. He just seemed like a special talent that never found his groove. With that said, this is probably best for both parties. I sincerely wish him nothing but the best and I hope that he finds a good situation at a high major.