MUBB, athletics and academics, etc.

[muguru]

Someone significant.

Yep....or someone(s). This shouldn't be hard to figure out if people see what position Buzz has been recruiting hardest.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Think higher...Pilarz reports to a group of people.  And Cottingham had to leave.

All part of the Manhattan Project

[Dish]

Not to pick on MU, but this kind of info always happens on Friday's, late afternoon. Every year my Bears season tickets get jacked up, news comes out like clock work on aFriday afternoon. PR 101, bury bad news on a Friday afternoon.

[Blackhat]

Let's play the process of elimination game. Is it a male? Is he a bb player? Is he a brother or traditional? Does he start? Is he a rising junior? Is he from Madison?

Sultan said significant.  Vander isn't a significant loss, imo.

[JTBMU7]

Someone significant.

Ha, seriously? Like listening to a 12 year old....

[GGGG]

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html

Hold on...is the *new* policy a 1.8 GPA entering the second year, 1.9 the third, and 2.0 the fourth?

If so, then I don't have much of a problem with that.

However, I can see why changes mid-stream could be considered unfair.

[madtownwarrior]

are these the new standards or the old standards?

either way - holy crap, they are minimal...  I have no issue with kicking off a player who cant meet these...

if these are the new standards - wow, MU academic standards for the basketball team may have been bad as the badger folks say they are...

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html

[GGGG]

Ha, seriously? Like listening to a 12 year old....

Look, I'm not going to post the guy's name.  First of all, I don't think it is fair to the kid for it to be public.  Second, he still has the opportunity to improve his grades well enough to return.  

[madtownwarrior]

So Vander's role has been recruited the hardest?   If there is an opportunity to meet the new standard, they why all the angst which might be for not...

again - if anyone cant make a 1.9, does not deserve a scholarship...

Yep....or someone(s). This shouldn't be hard to figure out if people see what position Buzz has been recruiting hardest.

[nyg]

Hold on...is the *new* policy a 1.8 GPA entering the second year, 1.9 the third, and 2.0 the fourth?

If so, then I don't have much of a problem with that.

However, I can see why changes mid-stream could be considered unfair.

I'll agree with that, especially with only having to take 12 credits.  If they can't do that, so be it.  

[muguru]

Hold on...is the *new* policy a 1.8 GPA entering the second year, 1.9 the third, and 2.0 the fourth?

If so, then I don't have much of a problem with that.

However, I can see why changes mid-stream could be considered unfair.

I believe that is what the "current" academic standards are. the "new" ones have not yet been announced. Again, I also don't have a problem with higher academic standards persay, but you can NOT change the rules in the middle of the game and not give kids a chance to get up to those standards.

But also remember as someone mentioned earlier, this now will limit the types of kids Buzz can recruit, and with the NCAA changing the Juco requirements.....Is it that far fetched to think MU could become SLU?? A bunch of great students playing BB, just not at a particularly high level.

[Blackhat]

Program is going to have a ton of turnover going forward.    That should help our APR rate.

[nyg]

If the athletes are not meeting academic standards, whether they are the ones listed or newer standards, then they are being dismissed from the team for academic reasons.  

They are not being "forced out".  

[madtownwarrior]

if they have yet to be announced - how the hell do you know who will or will not meet them - especially if they have this semester to make the grade....

awful lot of implied certainties for a lot of unknowns then...

starting to smell like another overblown crock of sh&t like the Buzz leaving rumors...

I believe that is what the "current" academic standards are. the "new" ones have not yet been announced. Again, I also don't have a problem with higher academic standards persay, but you can NOT change the rules in the middle of the game and not give kids a chance to get up to those standards.

But also remember as someone mentioned earlier, this now will limit the types of kids Buzz can recruit, and with the NCAA changing the Juco requirements.....Is it that far fetched to think MU could become SLU?? A bunch of great students playing BB, just not at a particularly high level.

[JTBMU7]

Look, I'm not going to post the guy's name.  First of all, I don't think it is fair to the kid for it to be public.  Second, he still has the opportunity to improve his grades well enough to return.  

Then stop posting about it. There's zero value in your input unless you provide some actual input. And if there is opportunity that this player may ba able to improve his situation, why play all this out?

[GGGG]

Then stop posting about it. There's zero value in your input unless you provide some actual input. And if there is opportunity that this player may ba able to improve his situation, why play all this out?

Well, you asked to stop kitten footing around...the nature of the issue is the change in academic policy.  That is the nature of the "Hiroshima" talk and the nature of the conflicts between Buzz and the new administration. 

You don't think that is actual input?  Well...tough.

[muguru]

If the athletes are not meeting academic standards, whether they are the ones listed or newer standards, then they are being dismissed from the team for academic reasons.  

They are not being "forced out".  

They aren't??? Even if these new standards were raised without prior warning, and relatively no chance to work up to those standards?? You think that's fair?? They were good enough when they were admitted, now they aren't, and it's "too bad, so sad"?? Shouldn't they be doing everything they can to help the kid, rather than just saying "oh well"?? If you implement the standards starting next year or something, ok, plenty fair, but to implement them essentially immediately, without prior advanced warning??

[Blackhat]

Then stop posting about it. There's zero value in your input unless you provide some actual input. And if there is opportunity that this player may ba able to improve his situation, why play all this out?

Why don't you stop posting.  You've added nothing.   Sultan basically told us the low down, if you can't connect the dots then tough.   Sultan has his threshold.

[Da 'Lanche]

It is not a player....I have it on a good source that Buzz, while trying to actually earn his degree, flunked Fr. Donnelly's World History class.   My source is the ghost of a brother of a Jesuit priest who died in a horrible deep fried cheese accident after a party at the Jes Res.

Sheeesh.....chill dudes....if a cat can't pull a 2.0 gpa in a major like general communication studies than so be it.....ask Stanford's football program if their academic standards have hurt their program and this "new" rigor can't be even close.   Upping the academic standards is not a death sentence for the program.  If one or two players can't cut it in the classroom under the BOT's vision for a student/athlete....then transfer to Baylor and enjoy reading Dr. Seuss for the rest of your life.    If it is truly an issue of "culling the herd" and using new standards to do so for reasons other than pure academics, then that brings a more complicated nuance to the discussion   BTW,.   I remember taking a fluff class my senior year (1988) to fill an elective requirement and half the basketball team was taking the same class.....I think I attended 3 classes the entire semester....opening day, mid-term, final....and passed without blinking and half drunk.   I think Pop Sims may have written his essay in crayon...

[muguru]

Then stop posting about it. There's zero value in your input unless you provide some actual input. And if there is opportunity that this player may ba able to improve his situation, why play all this out?

It's my understanding that this particular player has NO chance to meet the new standards. Others might get there.

[Blackhat]

It is not a player....I have it on a good source that Buzz, while trying to actually earn his degree, flunked Fr. Donnelly's World History class.   My source is the ghost of a brother of a Jesuit priest who died in a horrible deep fried cheese accident after a party at the Jes Res.

Sheeesh.....chill dudes....if a cat can't pull a 2.0 gpa in a major like general communication studies than so be it.....ask Stanford's football program if their academic standards have hurt their program and this "new" rigor can't be even close.   Upping the academic standards is not a death sentence for the program.  If one or two players can't cut it in the classroom under the BOT's vision for a student/athlete....then transfer to Baylor and enjoy reading Dr. Seuss for the rest of your life.    If it is truly an issue of "culling the herd" and using new standards to do so for reasons other than pure academics, then that brings a more complicated nuance to the discussion   BTW,.   I remember taking a fluff class my senior year (1988) to fill an elective requirement and half the basketball team was taking the same class.....I think I attended 3 classes the entire semester....opening day, mid-term, final....and passed without blinking and half drunk.   I think Pop Sims may have written his essay in crayon...

Stanford had Andrew Luck the past 4 years.   Ask Notre Dame about raised standards in today's sports world equaling irrelevancy.  Look I don't mind upping standards a touch and if a 2.0 throughout admittance is fine.  But I've got a feeling they're going to put the hammer down on the program, leading to our pool of recruits becoming Portland/ND esque.  Above Hoya-esque standards.

[madtownwarrior]

well stated murob -

I think Hiroshima actually refers to the stupid over hyping of the unfairness of a potential dismissal (but maybe not dismissal) of a MU player who cant make ridiculously low academic standards...

It is not a player....I have it on a good source that Buzz, while trying to actually earn his degree, flunked Fr. Donnelly's World History class.   My source is the ghost of a brother of a Jesuit priest who died in a horrible deep fried cheese accident after a party at the Jes Res.

Sheeesh.....chill dudes....if a cat can't pull a 2.0 gpa in a major like general communication studies than so be it.....ask Stanford's football program if their academic standards have hurt their program and this "new" rigor can't be even close.   Upping the academic standards is not a death sentence for the program.  If one or two players can't cut it in the classroom under the BOT's vision for a student/athlete....then transfer to Baylor and enjoy reading Dr. Seuss for the rest of your life.    If it is truly an issue of "culling the herd" and using new standards to do so for reasons other than pure academics, then that brings a more complicated nuance to the discussion   BTW,.   I remember taking a fluff class my senior year (1988) to fill an elective requirement and half the basketball team was taking the same class.....I think I attended 3 classes the entire semester....opening day, mid-term, final....and passed without blinking and half drunk.   I think Pop Sims may have written his essay in crayon...

[GGGG]

Sheeesh.....chill dudes....if a cat can't pull a 2.0 gpa in a major like general communication studies than so be it.....ask Stanford's football program if their academic standards have hurt their program and this "new" rigor can't be even close.   Upping the academic standards is not a death sentence for the program.  If one or two players can't cut it in the classroom under the BOT's vision for a student/athlete....then transfer to Baylor and enjoy reading Dr. Seuss for the rest of your life.    If it is truly an issue of "culling the herd" and using new standards to do so for reasons other than pure academics, then that brings a more complicated nuance to the discussion   BTW,.   I remember taking a fluff class my senior year (1988) to fill an elective requirement and half the basketball team was taking the same class.....I think I attended 3 classes the entire semester....opening day, mid-term, final....and passed without blinking and half drunk.   I think Pop Sims may have written his essay in crayon...

This is why I though the "Hiroshima" talk was a bit of hyperbole.  Because I must admit that I am conflicted...I *want* the players to be successful in the classroom.  I want our graduation rates that we are all proud of to actually mean something.

However I do want to win too.

And I do think that muguru is right that implementing a new policy late in the game is unfair.  Give the kid some steps to get there.  Allow him to progress up to that new level over the course of time.  Cura personalis.

[nyg]

They aren't??? Even if these new standards were raised without prior warning, and relatively no chance to work up to those standards?? You think that's fair?? They were good enough when they were admitted, now they aren't, and it's "too bad, so sad"?? Shouldn't they be doing everything they can to help the kid, rather than just saying "oh well"?? If you implement the standards starting next year or something, ok, plenty fair, but to implement them essentially immediately, without prior advanced warning??

Have you read my previous posts in the last hour????  If not go back and read.  I agree.  Using the word "force" in my opinion has nothing to do with academics.  

[MUBurrow]

Does this relate to the rash of suspensions in the first half of the year as well?