former MU assistant Seltzer lands HC job at Samford (Alabama)

[bamamarquettefan]

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/766f4f71fdb44af69aa54926c1234e2b/BKC--Samford-Seltzer/

He promises the hardest working team you've ever seen. 

[Nukem2]

Congrats to Bennie.  Heading home.....

[77ncaachamps]

The Crean coaching grows...after being trimmed.

[warthog-driver]

Day after The Betrayal Seltzer and Buckley flew from Milwaukee to Mobile, Alabama to get Nick Williams to decommit from Marquette. Seltzer is no less a traitor than Crean. I do not wish him well.

I wonder how Nick feels about that decision today?

[MUViking]

Day after The Betrayal Seltzer and Buckley flew from Milwaukee to Mobile, Alabama to get Nick Williams to decommit from Marquette. Seltzer is no less a traitor than Crean. I do not wish him well.

I wonder how Nick feels about that decision today?

You are assuming Nick Williams was still wanted by the new Marquette coach. 

[Dawson Rental]

You are assuming Nick Williams was still wanted by the new Marquette coach. 

That seems a safe enough assumption.  Especially as Nick was evidently wanted by the new Indiana coach.

[warriorchick]

Actually, "Samford" is just how people from Alabama pronounce "Stanford".

[MUBurrow]

I can't be mad at an assistant who handled a kid's recruiting for flying to offer that same kid a spot on his new team.

[warthog-driver]

I can't be mad at an assistant who handled a kid's recruiting for flying to offer that same kid a spot on his new team.

Who House Creaned Nick...Seltzer?

[MUBurrow]

Who House Creaned Nick...Seltzer?

Then be mad at Crean/Seltzer for that. If thats the issue, then it could have happened at MU just easily as it did in Bloomington - because you think the Crean/Seltzer team are slimy and don't have any qualms about kicking kids out of school - not because you think its dirty that Williams followed them in the first place. But obviously if its a principled stance against HouseCreaning, there's a can of worms/glass houses issue there.

[bamamarquettefan]

Actually, "Samford" is just how people from Alabama pronounce "Stanford".

Ouch.  Our State Treasurer in Alabama is a Stanford grad, and I told him early in the campaign to say it real quickly on the campaign trail, and everyone would assume he had said "Samford."

The funny part of the story is that he has the greatest name in politics, "Young Boozer."  We couldn't leave political signs anywhere near Auburn or Tuscaloosa, because the frat guys couldn't get enough of them to fill their frats.

Oh well, guess us Alabamians will be getting jokes about us forever.

[Hoopaloop]

Day after The Betrayal Seltzer and Buckley flew from Milwaukee to Mobile, Alabama to get Nick Williams to decommit from Marquette. Seltzer is no less a traitor than Crean. I do not wish him well.

I wonder how Nick feels about that decision today?

Some people move on in their lives and hope others do well, for themselves and their families.  Others hold a grudge and take it to the grave.  Others are incapable of using facts to make their case and thus further perpetuate inaccuracies.  Still others have to clean up and correct those mistakes and will be blamed for defending an old coach, when merely they are setting the record straight.  

By the way, your timing is totally wrong (shocking).  Crean became head coach on April 1st, Seltzer and Buckley went to Mobile on April 13th, 12 days later.  This was AFTER Nick Williams already asked out of his commitment and the school had granted that release.   He was a free man, released by Marquette.

Timeline

April 1st, Crean to Indiana
April 2nd, Nick Williams demands release from LOI from Marquette University
April 8th, Buzz Williams hired by Marquette University
April 10th, Nick Williams and Scott Christopherson released by Marquette per Todd Rosiak and Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
April 13th, Seltzer and Buckley leave for Mobile, AL to recruit Williams to Indiana  University


Don't believe me?  NY Warrior's posts and time stamps confirm it



Topic started by: NYWarrior on April 13, 2008, 09:59:24 AM


Title: Buckley and Bennie on their way to Mobile right now, spoke w/ Seltzer
Post by: NYWarrior on April 13, 2008, 09:59:24 AM
how is that for a kick in the 'nads.......I am here in ORD this morning and look over to see Seltzer and Buckley awaiting an outbound American Eagle flight to Mobile

Lovely

Followed by this from NY Warrior

he was a gracious guy.........here's the net:

1. They're definitely going after Nick Williams, leaving for Mobile in 30 minutes.
2. He thinks MU will do well with Buzz, would not comment on the notion that MU panicked with the hire.  Said 'everything happened so fast'
3. He thinks Buzz will get great talent into MU - was not sure about Tyshawn Taylor but insinuated that Hurley was posturing more than anything (my interpretation)
4. The gap he thinks Buzz will have to overcome is the sheer scope of the job.  Seltzer says Buzz will do well with running the program, but the challenge at private university like MU is that the coach is the most visible, sought after person on campus and therefore gets involved in just about everything....at least that is what Tom did.  That broad responsibility/participation/visibility at MU is one u don't have at state schools (revealing comment).
5. Bennie said he'll make sure to beat Bucky.

[🏀]

'Everything happened so fast' =

Crean screwed Marquette so bad.



Glad it all turned out better in the long run.

[Golden Avalanche]

Day after The Betrayal Seltzer and Buckley flew from Milwaukee to Mobile, Alabama to get Nick Williams to decommit from Marquette. Seltzer is no less a traitor than Crean. I do not wish him well.

I wonder how Nick feels about that decision today?

Delusional history there buddy.

[warthog-driver]

As NYWarrior wrote, "How's that for a kick in the 'nads..."

I couldn't agree more

[Lennys Tap]

How did Benny do on that promise to beat Wisconsin?

[tower912]

Congrats to him.   He showed loyalty to Crean.   No issues with that at all.   

[warthog-driver]

 He showed loyalty to Crean.    

How much loyalty did he show to Marquette University, his employer?

How much loyalty did he show to his student athletes, the young men he recruited?

[MUViking]

That seems a safe enough assumption.  Especially as Nick was evidently wanted by the new Indiana coach.

Wouldn't be so sure about that.

[tower912]

How much loyalty did he show to Marquette University, his employer?

How much loyalty did he show to his student athletes, the young men he recruited?

He showed enough loyalty to try to get a number of recruits to join him at IU.    You and I agree on a lot, but I just can't get angry at this guy. 

[GGGG]

That seems a safe enough assumption.  Especially as Nick was evidently wanted by the new Indiana coach.

If Nick Williams was wanted by Buzz, how come he released him immediately from his LOI while he fought to keep Tyshawn Taylor?

[cheebs09]

Yea, I can't blame him really. In my opinion, he works for Crean, not really Marquette. Also, it's no secret that players usually commit to coaches and not schools, so I don't mind them doing their due diligence on recruits that committed to MU. I don't think Buzz saw Nick Williams as a fit, and Seltzer was the one that recruited him, so I don't have a problem with them recruiting him. It's just kind of the nature of a coaching change.

[bamamarquettefan]

probably right on Buzz - who seems the best judge of talent.

Nick has been decent, but can't see him getting many minutes here.  Obviously Taylor has been excellent and an NBA-potential player.

We also obviously allowed Nick to follow Crean to Indiana, but I believe the release to Taylor did not allow him to go to Indiana or any Big East schools.

[Hoopaloop]

How much loyalty did he show to Marquette University, his employer?

How much loyalty did he show to his student athletes, the young men he recruited?

This is the coaching profession and coaches leave.  Were you this despondent when Buzz left New Orleans?  Was he not showing loyalty?  When Rick Majerus left MU?  When Kevin left MU, did he show loyalty to his employer?  Where were their loyalties?


Are you really saying that an assistant coach shouldn't follow his head coach if he has the chance?  All those assistant coaching job changes Buzz made through the years while he was still under contract at those schools, you must be appalled at his lack of loyalty.  


You make some decent points from time to time, this was not one of them.

Delusional history there buddy.

Goes without saying.  I'd expect our good Air Force man to own up to the mistake someday.

[warthog-driver]

My personal favorite

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=3503350