Inside MU Basketball season-ending episode

[Blackhat]

worst case scenario:   Pilarz is Chicos-esque and doesn't like JUCOs and Buzz's style, and in twelve months we can expect a Keno Davis type hire at MU.  


best case scenario:   Pilarz really is the peace keeper and loves Buzz and Larry Williams really is dumb enough to piss off the driver of the b-ball advertising and money machine when it's at full speed.


Firing of Cottingham has me leaning toward worst case scenario.

[Goose]

Stone Cold
Do we really want our President deciding our style of play?

[mr.MUskie]

Stone Cold
Do we really want our President deciding our style of play?

Jesuits always know best.

[79Warrior]

Fr. Pilarz was big in getting this whole nonsense resolved. He's been nothing but supportive of Buzz and the program, at least publicly.

Really? What has Pilarz said in public. He certainly does not respond to many emails.

[Lennys Tap]

I've been told by others you like to guess at what people are thinking and then deciding that is what they said.   

I would note I didn't say Jucos and have actually stated on several occasions that I have zero issues with any JUCOs.  None.  To your point, MU has taken Jucos before, one of my favorites was Marcus Jackson.  Jae Crowder was another.  Tyrone Baldwin another. 

Since you didn't comment on anything else in my post, is it safe to assume that you agree he is well compensated, that his basketball budget is top notch, etc?

All this ball squeezing that is supposedly going on, what is it? Where is it?  His pay?  No.  His recruiting budget?  No.  His overall budget?  No.  His ability to recruit kids?  No (you said so yourself).

Where and what is the ball squeezing?  This has been asked over and over again in the 100+ page thread of you, Goose, and the others that are throwing out this line that he is somehow under the thumb of the university.  Please be specific.

If these guys that Marquette is allowing in for Buzz that weren't allowed in the past aren't Jucos who are they? A simple I was wrong would have sufficed.

As to the rest of your post, certainly Buzz has a good salary and basketball has a large budget. Fr Pilarz and Larry Williams had nothing to do with establishing those numbers.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I have a feeling that This has taken Pilarz by surprise. Smells like a few boosters to me. Pilarz doesn't want to deal with this crap.

There is a somewhat large faction of boosters who use access to Marquette basketball as bizarre confirmation of their own Professional success. These are guys at the game in suit coats and cashmere scarves. These are people who wouldn't be caught dead at Buck Bradleys or anyplace on 3rd St or elsewhere. I believe they are a very loud minority opinion on all things MU. And I hate to say this...and if you knew me at all you'd know I never make this claim...but the whole uproar about these so called off court "incidents" is steeped in racism. And I believe some of these well heeled boosters don't like explaining the make up of MUs basketball team to their friends while the Badgers roster looks much different.

[Goose]

PRN
I disagree with the booster comment, I believe the big supporters of Buzz are still big supporters of Buzz. Your comment about MU style players vs. Badger players I think plays a role in the big picture. The big swinging dick boosters want to win and win now. Believe there is a faction of second tier boosters that would prefer Badger style kids. I alluded to that two days ago and think the vocal minority assume the worst of the kids.

[avid1010]

for all any of us know larry williams called buzz after the dance at wv and they had a good laugh about it and then decided larry would post a public comment like the one he did...i think most coaches have a huge let down after a season and it's such an emotional drop that they re-think things.

i have a few connections through friends to some of the boosters who are at the top of mu's list...it seems like winning is everything...

[Goose]

Avid
The big boy boosters on board and want to go along for the ride.

[mr.MUskie]

Avid
The big boy boosters on board and want to go along for the ride.

I hope they let LW and FP know.

[Goose]

Muskie
My bet is some of the fella's let them know who pays the bills.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Avid
The big boy boosters on board and want to go along for the ride.

the big boy basketball boosters are.  the question is are the big boy university donors on board?  that is were the vocal minority come from.

[Goose]

Bingo ZFB!!! It comes down to what they program to be. I do not want to be Kentucky but would like to try to win a NCAA championship.

[4everwarriors]

Bottom line is MU and Buzz are just not a good fit. Things have changed and unless one side blinks, I expect they'll decide to go their own way.

[Goose]

4ever
probably true...can we talk about Dooley

[Blackhat]

The leaving of Fr. Wild might signal the end of MU playing big boy basketball. 

[mr.MUskie]

Bottom line is MU and Buzz are just not a good fit. Things have changed and unless one side blinks, I expect they'll decide to go their own way.

How did we go from 100+ pages a couple days ago about what a perfect fit Buzz and MU were, to this?

[Goose]

Muskie
Did we really think statement made it all better or were we just tired? I was happy it brought a couple of days of craziness to an end but did not think statement was cure all. Anyone that has been around the program for some time knows that it does not always do the right things. When I hit the pad on Tuesday night I told my wife this is not the end of the story.

[madtownwarrior]

Keep stirring the pot Goose - you an investor in IWB's site?

Muskie
Did we really think statement made it all better or were we just tired? I was happy it brought a couple of days of craziness to an end but did not think statement was cure all. Anyone that has been around the program for some time knows that it does not always do the right things. When I hit the pad on Tuesday night I told my wife this is not the end of the story.

[Daniel]

I don't understand this negativity either.  It's the kind of thing that drives Buzz nuts - because he has said over and over he wants to stay at MU.  We don't know what happened behind hte scenes, but let's at least be happy that the statement indicates that Buzz is staying.  Given that, if there are issues - which we do not know - then there will be time to smooth them out - but again, we really don't know if there are or were issues.

I'm happy he plans to stay aboard at Marquette.  

[Goose]

Daniel
I hear what you say and respect your posts a lot. You obviously are a long time fan and love your positive attitude. My whole point on the realllllllllly long thread was to let people know there was an issue. If they felt need to bash me or email the parties in question all the better. Now two days after the statement i do think there is a dark cloud over the situation and needs to be discussed.

You seem like a really good fan and like the positive attitude. Hate to say it but we might have potholes ahead of us. I wish we were talking about S Taylor and Burton who are real studs.

[4everwarriors]

The naïveté on this board is just beyond comprehension.

[Goose]

4ever
Am I that naive?

[Daniel]

Daniel
I hear what you say and respect your posts a lot. You obviously are a long time fan and love your positive attitude. My whole point on the realllllllllly long thread was to let people know there was an issue. If they felt need to bash me or email the parties in question all the better. Now two days after the statement i do think there is a dark cloud over the situation and needs to be discussed.

You seem like a really good fan and like the positive attitude. Hate to say it but we might have potholes ahead of us. I wish we were talking about S Taylor and Burton who are real studs.

Thanks Goose.  If "there was an issue" I hope the operative word is "WAS".   Why can't we assume the issue is now resolved?  Perhaps it will take time, if there was some friction, to smooth things over.  But I have seen this time and time again in the corporate world.  It can work out, and often does.  I am hoping it does here, and the press release statement was a positive indicator.  That's all I'm saying

[mu_hilltopper]

Bottom line is MU and Buzz are just not a good fit.

Could you explain this statement?  How are they not a good fit, exactly?