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Quote from: MUfan12 on March 09, 2012, 09:19:52 AM
But he's got an incredible story and Buzz will roll with that cat any day. Even rolling right out of the postseason.

You've been very negative and cynical lately. Must be a Marquette hater.  ;)


MUfan12

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on March 09, 2012, 10:03:31 AM
You've been very negative and cynical lately. Must be a Marquette hater.  ;)

Clearly a hater. Been hating since 1988... haha.

I just don't like Junior's game, and that's been the case all year. He can be really good, but then lose his mind like last night. I just want a steadier hand at PG.

Part of this ends up on Buzz, too. He's not using him the right way defensively. Having him pressure the ball 30 feet out is setting him, and the defense, up to fail. When he gets beat off the dribble, everyone has to help. Which can leave the offensive glass open like we saw last night.

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 09, 2012, 10:09:19 AM
Clearly a hater. Been hating since 1988... haha.

I just don't like Junior's game, and that's been the case all year. He can be really good, but then lose his mind like last night. I just want a steadier hand at PG.

Part of this ends up on Buzz, too. He's not using him the right way defensively. Having him pressure the ball 30 feet out is setting him, and the defense, up to fail. When he gets beat off the dribble, everyone has to help. Which can leave the offensive glass open like we saw last night.

The defensive end has always been the question. I understand the philosophy and I understand the belief in a system but you are right that Junior can just get abused when you put him in that bad spot.

MU had that shaky patch in late December/early January when this problem was exposed and they seemed to adjust well and find a better way of applying that pressure. Seemed last night they decided it didn't matter anymore, which is goofy considering Siva may be the most athletically gifted 1 they've played recently.


Boone

Junior's spotty play started before last nite. Since the schedule turned to meaningful opponents (i.e. beginning with the Vanderbilt game), his A/T ratio is a poor 1.89:1 and he's shooting an abysmal 36.6%.

mugoose

he is the worst pg in d1. awful.

JTBMU7

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 09, 2012, 10:09:19 AM
Clearly a hater. Been hating since 1988... haha.

I just don't like Junior's game, and that's been the case all year. He can be really good, but then lose his mind like last night. I just want a steadier hand at PG.

Part of this ends up on Buzz, too. He's not using him the right way defensively. Having him pressure the ball 30 feet out is setting him, and the defense, up to fail. When he gets beat off the dribble, everyone has to help. Which can leave the offensive glass open like we saw last night.

i dont think this is accurate.

Jr has been one of the better PG's in the BEAST as far as taking care of the ball and creating for others all year. He's had 2-3 bad games, not much different that most players in the league. On Defense, we've been pressuring all year and he is quicker than most so he's been effective. our stats on D are telling to that point.

last night was an abberation. Jr is fine.

GOMU85

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 09, 2012, 10:09:19 AM
Clearly a hater. Been hating since 1988... haha.

I just don't like Junior's game, and that's been the case all year. He can be really good, but then lose his mind like last night. I just want a steadier hand at PG.

Part of this ends up on Buzz, too. He's not using him the right way defensively. Having him pressure the ball 30 feet out is setting him, and the defense, up to fail. When he gets beat off the dribble, everyone has to help. Which can leave the offensive glass open like we saw last night.

+10000

BCHoopster

Why not blame the coach for putting JC in that position.  JC was not the only player who did not kick the ball around, they all did.  I think DJO had like 4 in a row at the end.  They all got there pockets picked.  The sad thing is that MU must play against there full court zone in practice, that is disappointing.  There are very few teams that press like MU and louey so you will probably not see that next week, so that is good.

Aughnanure

Quote from: mugoose on March 09, 2012, 10:16:29 AM
he is the worst pg in d1. awful.

Ha! Now this is a dumb post. Seriously, can we all stop with the overly-grand generalizations of everything. This is sports - you are never as good as your last big win and never as bad as your last embarrassing loss.
“All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.” - T.E. Lawrence

mosarsour

This thread is the reason why I hate coming to this site after a loss. I swear some of you people are an embarrassment to MU Nation. You a$$holes need to turn in your fan card. The kid had a bad game...get over it.

Sincerely,

A Real Fan

4everwarriors

Quote from: hairyworthen on March 09, 2012, 08:30:41 AM
top 50 to 60 recruit

Last time I checked, Buzz had 2 eyes and seems to possess a decent amount of intelligence. Unless Jr's Achilles injury has changed his complete game, I don't get it.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

CTWarrior

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 08, 2012, 10:44:32 PM
Where are all the bozos who called me out when I said Junior is not a high major point guard? He's servicable, but as a Big East guard on a big stage he's just plain out manned. I've been saying all year he's the least athletic player on our team and maybe the least athletic starter in the entire Big East. Sorry, but Louisville smelled blood in the water with him tonight. I still have high hopes for the tournament, depending on match ups.

Great game by DJO. And I thought Blue had a nice game, too.

Blue turned it over more often per touch than Cadougan did.  He had some bad momentum killing charges on breaks.  DJO had a bunch of TOs, too.  Crowder shot terribly and sealed his own fate with dumb fouls including a dumb reach in foul after missing an uncontested layup.  Cadougan may have gotten the stinkfest rolling, but the other guys all joined in.
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Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

hairy worthen

Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
Last time I checked, Buzz had 2 eyes and seems to possess a decent amount of intelligence. Unless Jr's Achilles injury has changed his complete game, I don't get it.

yeah, but my point was if he was rated that highly, he had to be doing something right and other people saw it as well not just buzz.

RubyWiscy

MU always plays terrible in the BE Tournament.  Some years they win a few games, but when they lose, they look very, very bad. Compared to the last few years, in this loss they actually looked pretty good.

wiscwarrior

#89
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 09, 2012, 06:06:32 AM
Stats don't tell the entire story. Cadougan is a defensive liability, has a loose handle, is slow, has questionable decision making abiltiy, is an erratic passer, and is a poor shooter from anywhere outside of 6 feet. Again, I can't see what Buzz saw in this guy.

Maybe he thought JC had the potential to be a top 20 point guard as per the stats quoted above and decided that your analysis was flawed.

Stronghold

Quote from: Ruby on March 09, 2012, 12:09:39 PM
MU always plays terrible in the BE Tournament.  Some years they win a few games, but when they lose, they look very, very bad. Compared to the last few years, in this loss they actually looked pretty good.

I feel it was nothing L'ville really did either, we just played ourselves into the loss.

muwarrior97

Quote from: mosarsour on March 09, 2012, 11:15:54 AM
This thread is the reason why I hate coming to this site after a loss. I swear some of you people are an embarrassment to MU Nation. You a$$holes need to turn in your fan card. The kid had a bad game...get over it.

Sincerely,

A Real Fan
+1 Yep
#RGV #ReturnTheWarriorMindset

chapman

Quote from: wiscwarrior on March 09, 2012, 12:38:32 PM
Maybe he thought JC had the potential to be a top 20 point guard as per the stats quoted above and decided that your analysis was flawed.

A couple of stats won't convince me he's a top 20 point guard in the country.  Picking two stats and closing the book is what WVU fans do.  I'd need to see a lot more to convince me he's top 50.

Buchec18

Quote from: mosarsour on March 09, 2012, 11:15:54 AM
This thread is the reason why I hate coming to this site after a loss. I swear some of you people are an embarrassment to MU Nation. You a$$holes need to turn in your fan card. The kid had a bad game...get over it.

Sincerely,

A Real Fan

This.

MarsupialMadness

Quote from: mosarsour on March 09, 2012, 11:15:54 AM
This thread is the reason why I hate coming to this site after a loss. I swear some of you people are an embarrassment to MU Nation. You a$$holes need to turn in your fan card. The kid had a bad game...get over it.

Sincerely,

A Real Fan

Hey Real Fan,

Do you know where I can turn in my real fan card for a fake fan card?  I also think Junior had a horrible game, and I thought it'd be ok to discuss that on this message board, but I guess that's just the a$$hole in me.

Signed,

Imposter Real Fan

mosarsour

Quote from: murespect on March 09, 2012, 02:28:48 PM
Hey Real Fan,

Do you know where I can turn in my real fan card for a fake fan card?  I also think Junior had a horrible game, and I thought it'd be ok to discuss that on this message board, but I guess that's just the a$$hole in me.

Signed,

Imposter Real Fan

A discussion is fine. But to bash the kid after a bad game is simply not the Marquette way.

Silkk the Shaka

This ranks right up there with the Bash Jae Crowder thread from 8 or 9 short weeks ago as some of the most embarrassing stuff ever posted on this board.

tower912

Junior had a bad game.   So did the entire rest of the team.   He seems to be the linchpin, as MU's record seems to be directly tied to whether or not he has 6 or more assists.    He had a bad night against a high pressure team and the team spiraled downward.    25-7
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GOMU85

Quote from: Jamailman on March 10, 2012, 10:43:48 AM
This ranks right up there with the Bash Jae Crowder thread from 8 or 9 short weeks ago as some of the most embarrassing stuff ever posted on this board.

As a "Real Fan" I have a right to be disgusted by a particular player's play. Once again, I never liked Junior Cadougan and I don't know what Buzz see in him.


Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: GOMU85 on March 10, 2012, 10:52:05 AM
As a "Real Fan" I have a right to be disgusted by a particular player's play. Once again, I never liked Junior Cadougan and I don't know what Buzz see in him.



You'd be wise to read the post from tower912 directly above this one before you head out to restock your Massengill supplies.  Players have bad individual games.  No one outside of DJO had what could be considered an average game.  The whole team sucked Thursday night.  Junior was 4th in the Big East in assist to turnover ratio.  I guess that qualifies as a sh*tty point guard.  Good god.

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